Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament
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Absolutely. I totally agree. This must happen.
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Can we get a Logos response regarding the current status of this request? What is the possible/potential timeframe for this resource?
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David Paul said:
Can we get a Logos response regarding the current status of this request? What is the possible/potential timeframe for this resource?
The current status is its a suggestion in the forums. That's all it is at the moment and nothing more. There is no timeframe. If and when Logos can start the project then we will still have no idea how long it would take.
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Well, yeah...but it has been a suggestion FOR YEARS, and I am fairly sure the snag is an issue of publishing rights...and perhaps that the project is not complete. But their ought to be some timeframe in view, even if it is only tentative. 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? Before Yeishuu`a returns??
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I agree Chris.
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Updated link:
http://www.eerdmans.com/Products/2326/theological-dictionary-of-the-old-testament.aspx"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I want this resource on my Logos. Any plan to produce this in the near future??????
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Okay, so an update for everyone: I was looking at Eerdmans site and they have 15 volumes. Volume 1 was published, according to Eerdmans, in October of 2011. I have looked at Volume 15 and noted that there are about 18 other Hebrew words in HALOT that it does not APPEAR to have...unless they were grouped under different articles (which I am hoping is the case). But, when you read the description for Volume 15 it states that it is "the final volume of Hebrew terms." (http://www.eerdmans.com/Products/2339/theological-dictionary-of-the-old-testament-volume-xv.aspx). Since volume 15 is the final volume and volume 1 is the last volume that was published, it looks like the TDOT is complete. (here is the link to look at the entire set: http://www.eerdmans.com/Products/CategoryCenter.aspx?CategoryId=SE!TDOT). I hope that this will be in the works for an electronic edition soon.
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Major Bump for this set in Logos!!!
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Caleb S. said:
it looks like the TDOT is complete.
I believe there are 2 volumes left. One on Aramaic words and an index volume.
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Vincent Setterholm said:Caleb S. said:
it looks like the TDOT is complete.
I believe there are 2 volumes left. One on Aramaic words and an index volume.
Where did you see that at? I really hope that they ARE coming out with at least one Aramaic volume, too. Since that is important to me.
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I just re-read the description (here) and in the second paragraph it says, "the TDOT volumes present in-depth discussions of the key Hebrew and Aramaic words in the Old Testament. " So it APPEARS to be saying that it already has the Aramaic. If that is a misunderstanding on my part, then fine....I want an Aramaic volume (at least one) on most (if not all) Aramaic words. (I wish the TDOT had more of the Hebrew words. Based on the times I have used it, there were a few that I thought were missing....UNLESS I was using it wrong. That IS very possible.)
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Caleb S. said:
Where did you see that at?
I don't remember where I read that TDOT would be 17 volumes when done, but the original German edition is in 10 volumes, of which the first 8 cover Hebrew, the 9th Aramaic and the 10th is an index volume. Volumes 1-8 and 10 are done, but only the first of the Aramaic fascicles is published (that I could find online). I believe the plan is for the English edition to contain all the material of the German edition, when it is finished.
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Vincent Setterholm said:
the 10th is an index volume
Do we really need an index volume? We didn't get one with the Church Fathers.
george
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In the old days, we didn't generally digitize old scripture reference indexes because 1) just doing a reference search would get a user to precisely the correct location, instead of just to a page number, and 2) the indexes would give a lot of hits on a reference search that weren't very useful, since they only pointed to a whole page and didn't have any interesting content themselves. Now we have the ability to mark a section so that it doesn't inflate the search index with extra hits, so #2 isn't an issue, and there is something to be said for being able to browse an index instead of run individual searches to see if something is present (and then one could always right-click the label in the index to run a data type search within the present volume instead of clicking in a page number link and still get to the precise location). Without actually looking at the TDOT index, it's hard to say how valuable it would be in digital format (especially if there are already KeyLink tables built in to get to the right entry for each word, regardless of spelling and homograph differences). But if they're dedicating a whole volume to indexing, there's probably some good stuff in there. But in general, we do include all indexes now in our editions.
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Vincent Setterholm said:
there is something to be said for being able to browse an index
Vincent Setterholm said:in general, we do include all indexes now in our editions
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I find it extraordinary that the TDOT is not available in any electronic format (at least that I am aware of). The licensing of this must be stuck in the dark ages! [:(]
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I find it extraordinary that the TDOT is not available in any electronic format (at least that I am aware of). The licensing of this must be stuck in the dark ages!
On the outside chance that someone associated with this resource who has pull and influence may read this thread...I want you to know...I WILL NEVER BUY THIS SERIES IN HARDBACK--NEVER.
But I and hundreds if not thousands of others are practically besides ourselves wanting to buy this in e-book format...specifically in LOGOS format. My credit card is hovering in space over the card reader...
In fact, I don't think there is any resource that I desire to own more than TDOT.
Just saying...
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I agree!!! My VISA can't wait!!!
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Come Lord TDOT, I mean Jesus...
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WORDsearch says
"A twelve-volume companion series, the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, is currently in production."
see https://www.wordsearchbible.com/products/34810
yet they do not put any date on the website. you cannot know this information was put on the website and if it is reliable
But What about Logos? is there any thinking about a possible publication? and a possible release date?
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Definitely +1 on this. In fact, it probably makes #2 on my "resources I want to see most" (#1 is NSBT).
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Edwin, that probably needs to be clarified on the WORDsearch website, as the intention was to say that the publisher is currently producing the OT companion.
In terms of producing a digital copy, that likely won't happen until it is completed in print. I can confidently say, though, that it is not currently in production on WORDsearch's end, at least not at this time.
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There are some significant copyright issues we must overcome if there is to be a Logos edition of TDOT. We're working on this, but we can make no publication forecast at this time.
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Thanks for the update, Bill.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I find it extraordinary that the TDOT is not available in any electronic format (at least that I am aware of). The licensing of this must be stuck in the dark ages!
Bill's comment appears to be a confirmation of your earlier surmising, Donovan...only worse. S-T-O-N-E-A-G-E
I've only been waiting for this series for about 15 years...waiting another 15 years won't hurt. [:'(]
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David Paul said:
I've only been waiting for this series for about 15 years...waiting another 15 years won't hurt.
God bless you for your patience [Y]
I use TWOT and NIDOTTE in between. It makes the waiting easier. [:)]
Bohuslav
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Does anyone know, if Logos will provide the TDOT for Logos Bible Software?
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Ismael Silva said:
Does anyone know, if Logos will provide the TDOT for Logos Bible Software?
According to this thread: yes if they can get a deal worked out with the publisher.
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Ismael Silva said:
Does anyone know, if Logos will provide the TDOT for Logos Bible Software?
If I were a betting man, I would lay money on it.
george
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I have asked them WORDsearch if they have a possible release date.
here is their reply:
On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:24 PM, WORDsearch Sales Support wrote:
"The Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament is still a few months away. We are unsure of the exact release date, but know it won't be in the very near future."
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Edwin Sully PAYET said:
I have asked them WORDsearch if they have a possible release date.
here is their reply:
On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:24 PM, WORDsearch Sales Support wrote:
"The Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament is still a few months away. We are unsure of the exact release date, but know it won't be in the very near future."
Hey, that's an interesting trick...how do you get the "click to appear" feature to work? I've never seen that before...and is it a forum-exclusive thing or something that is portable? Thanks.
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Edwin Sully PAYET said:
On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:24 PM, WORDsearch Sales Support wrote:
"The Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament is still a few months away. We are unsure of the exact release date, but know it won't be in the very near future."
Edwin,
The WS sales rep may have gotten their products mixed up. WORDsearch does not presently have the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament licensed, nor are they working on it. The rep might have gotten it confused with the Zondervan title "New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis" that is presently being developed by WORDsearch and will be released in the coming months.
I hope that clears things up.
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LaRosa Johnson said:
The WS sales rep may have gotten their products mixed up. WORDsearch does not presently have the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament licensed, nor are they working on it. The rep might have gotten it confused with the Zondervan title "New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis" that is presently being developed by WORDsearch and will be released in the coming months.
I hope that clears things up.
That...is depressing. I have to say though, I was actually pleasantly surprised (elated, even!!) to hear TDOT was just "months" from availability. Now I guess you can consider me...unsurprised.
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Tack on another interested Logos user for the TDOT. How about folding it into a base package, say Scholar's Gold and higher?
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I have the hardcopy through Volume 15. I contacted Eerdmans re; the final two volumes ( 16 = Aramaic, 17 = Index ) and got this response this morning:
Thank you for your interest in
TDOT. The German publisher reports that volume 16 (Aramaic) will be completed
in 2014, and we anticipate our English translation will appear the following
year. Indexing of the Hebrew volumes is ready, awaiting only the Aramaic.Sincerely,
Allen Myers
Allen
C. MyersSenior
EditorWm.
B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.2140
Oak Industrial Drive N.E.Grand
Rapids, MI 49505amyers@eerdmans.com
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Joshua Daniel Simmons said:
How about folding it into a base package, say Scholar's Gold and higher?
hahahahahaha [:P]
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Any news on this? Martin.Bill Nienhuis said:There are some significant copyright issues we must overcome if there is to be a Logos edition of TDOT. We're working on this, but we can make no publication forecast at this time.
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Absolutely.
mm.
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Thumbs up for a suggestion that won't go away...
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I concur.
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Please add the TDOT. It simply can't be missed in Logos.
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This really is long overdue - highlights a bad overfocus on the NT as over the OT.
Should have been seens as essential to provide as a supplier and to then buy as a user.
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I agree totally. I would benefit from this resource.
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This would be a great resource to have in Logos.
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Add my vote!!!!
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So, I asked someone at Logos if anyone at Logos had talked to Eerdmans about getting the TDOT. This is what I was told:
"Dear Caleb,
Eerdmans does not hold the digital rights to the TDOT. They can only print it. At last count, there were at least 15 individual Germans who own the digital rights, and they have been extremely elusive or generally unwilling to discuss the options."
So, Logos is definitely interested in getting the TDOT. The problem is those individual Germans who own the digital rights who have no interest in allowing the TDOT to be published electronically in Logos (or in any other program). As you can imagine, I was (and still am) very disappointed (and annoyed) that it won't be coming to Logos any time soon. I do hope that someday it will come to Logos, but it looks like I will have no choice but to buy each of the books until they become available electronically (or find a nearby library that has them, or interlibrary loan).
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Nowadays it's publishing suicide for this sort of content not to go digital. I hope the copyright holders reconsider.
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