With the beauty of Logos supply of resources,it would be very good if books which help to defend the massage of the Cross ofour Lord Jesus Christ against any false teachings would be available.
Blessings in Christ
help to defend the massage of the Cross of our Lord
OOPS! [:D]
It can't get much cheaper than Community Pricing http://www.logos.com/communitypricing
And Pre-Pub has some amazing deals too http://www.logos.com/prepub
Once the new PBB is out, there will be a slate of new Free books as well.
Blessings
It can't get much cheaper than Community Pricing http://www.logos.com/communitypricing And Pre-Pub has some amazing deals too http://www.logos.com/prepub Once the new PBB is out, there will be a slate of new Free books as well. Blessings
not sure what particular books you are thinking of, Tes, but Joe is right on the money. (meaning--he has "hit the nail on the head" . . . errr, meaning, he's right on target . . . errr, I mean, he has given you a terrific and clear answer to great deals on the Logos site!)
Look at the great deal on Pauline books (on the blog) . . . they will help you get into Paul's message (even though they won't tell you how to give a good "massage," helpful as that may be).
Whats the "New PBB"?
PBB= Personal Book Builder. You purchase the ability to "make books" that work within Logos. Many use this for public domain works, or to write their own books. You can use it for yourself, or give away copies--but you can not sell them. (ie, the books that you have "made.")
not sure what particular books you are thinking of
I don't know what particular books there are ,I think what kind of books they are should not be a question to Logos I need only to ask about the price,and I do'nt mean that the books should be cheaper than what Joe has mentioned ,but I was just thinking how important it is to have such books in the Logos library .
not sure what particular books you are thinking of I don't know what particular books there are ,I think what kind of books they are should not be a question to Logos I need only to ask about the price,and I do'nt mean that the books should be cheaper than what Joe has mentioned ,but I was just thinking how important it is to have such books in the Logos library .
these are not so much about the "Cross," but they ARE a defense of the Bible, the Resurrection, Miracles, and the like. It is on pre-pub, a collection by well-known author Norman Geisler:
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5666
help to defend the massage of the Cross of our Lord OOPS!
OOPS!
Ha! That reminds me of a really funny story. Eugene Peterson and Sven Soderlund were two of the professors at Regent College where I studied theology. Eugene is best known as the author of The Message, and Sven is Swedish (Sweden is known for Swedish massage). Some funny members of the Regent community did a spoof reading in chapel one morning (perhaps it was around April Fools Day?) in a fake Swedish accent, from a new book Sven & Eugene had supposedly collaborated on called The Massage.
It can't get much cheaper than Community Pricing http://www.logos.com/communitypricing And Pre-Pub has some amazing deals too http://www.logos.com/prepub Once the new PBB is out, there will be a slate of new Free books as well.
You can also peruse the list of books by price. There are quite a lot of them that are available in the "under $5" category:http://www.logos.com/ebooks/browsebooks/3
There are some great classics in that list, but also probably some of questionable quality and/or weak theology. You should never decide to buy a book just because it's cheap.
Some funny members of the Regent community did a spoof reading in chapel one morning (perhaps it was around April Fools Day?) in a fake Swedish accent, from a new book Sven & Eugene had supposedly collaborated on called The Massage.
That is hilarious! [:D]
That is hilarious!
I will second that.
in a fake Swedish accent, from a new book Sven & Eugene had supposedly collaborated on called The Massage.
Now that is funny. A smile to start the day.
thats true, there are a lot of books out there and cheap is not always the way to go. I find myself that between the pre pub and specials, i do just fine and can hardly keep up with all the books i have.
I think it is important to keep in mind that there is a large need for less expensive books, at least in my area of the country many believers are not folks with lots of money, and in a world wide view of the body of Christ I think it is safe to say in many areas low cost books are needed to help believers in those areas.
I know that Joe Miller has mentioned Community Pricing and how books don't get much cheaper than that, but even if that is true, it is actually only a very short window where that can be said of those books!!!
I know from just the last few months there have been some great buys on some solid books through the community pricing programs, but if I just bought the Logos 4 program today, I have missed out on those great buys and I can not get them! Look at the current pre-pub prices on some of those great buys, could you afford them now??? It would be very helpful to new owners if they were allowed to purchase a certain number of old community price books one at a time or in packages at greatly reduced price for a limited number of months.
Logos really needs to understand the need for inexpensive public domain books, one of the best things they could do right now is to get those pbb public domain books back in working order sooner rather than latter! There are some great resources in the pbb program that would be of great service to the body of Christ!
In Christ,
Jim
I am a tad surprised that quality of the books hasn't played a bigger role in this thread. I would think that churches and foundations would subsidize a basic set of resources for preachers and teachers. If I were designing the basic set of resources adjusted for denominationand role of user, there would be a few public domain titles but most resources would still be under copyright. I would strongly support subsidies for many individuals in 3rd and 4th world countries.
There are many high quality public domain resources, just as there are many copyrighted books of poor quality!
I think most people that are interested making resources more easy to obtain and affordable are assuming we are talking about making high quality works to be used not junk.
There is no doubt in my mind that a good solid library of public domain books would go a long way to helping most believers out.
There are good solid language tools, historical books, and commentaries that are in the pubic domain that the rest of the world would love to have.
It has been two years ago since I sent over a 160 CDs with in a free bible software to a seminary in Russia, each CD contained a better library than the Seminary has, according to the President of the Seminary. Each student was given a CD and they used the others to reproduce more CDs!
I do wish that I could send an inexpensive Logos program with free Public Domain PBB modules to them and others, but right now Logos is on hold when it comes to such uses in my ministry!
I'd like to see some of the pre-pubs become available. I've had some that were ready to ship and then the date was revised x2 and then went back to being unavailable for indefinite amount of time.
That's really horrible.
I also think that a much cheaper price on the public domain books is needed. May be they can sell it as a collection, as long as it is a good deal. Another way is to have a one time subscription fee to access all the public domain books. But might be it doesn't make sense (since it doesn't make cents).
Right, so another possibility is to sell a collection on public domain books, similar to the concept of existing collection like IVP essential, pauline scholarship collection, etc. i.e. to sell those public domain books in the price of community pricing but in a collection. This has two pros: 1) cheap 2) help the user to discern which is good or bad. I personally don't know much about the books in public domain so I don't even know what are essentials in the public domain. A collection helps us to "choose" the best public domain books. Also, this doesn't has copy right issue so the Logos are free to make the strongest public domain collection that they can offer.
I would strongly support subsidies for many individuals in 3rd and 4th world countries.
I've wondered sometimes if it is worth giving customers the option to donate to a fund to support such subsidies at the checkout stage when purchasing resources.
I have just recently purchased NICOT/NICNT and some of the Zondervan products and would not have hesitated to contribute to such a cause. A contribution of, say, $40/50 when spending $400/500+ dollars does not feel unmanageable or unreasonable to me (although I accept other people's circumstances are different and I am absolutely not suggesting people should feel compelled or pressured).
If there is another interest, even a small contribution like this could go a long way to assisting Pastors and Missionaries who might not otherwise be able to afford such resources.
The tricky part is how this would then be apportioned... Thankfully, I guess that would be Logos' problem.
Another variation of one time subscription fee:
One time subscription, but different plans. e.g. $100 for 50 books, 250 for 150 books, 500 for unlimited plan, etc.
And this can be hybrid with a "base package" of public domain books, e.g. $50 for a base package that has all the "essential" books from the public domain that is enough for basic Bible studies.
I look at some of these public domain works and wonder why the pre-pubs are rather high. Other software manufacturers produce PD works for free. Surely there is a more cost effective way of getting PD into Logos products than community prices...although the couple I bid on are about as cheap as I would get in a flea market per set. Maybe a flat fee based premium membership or subscription for such works would be cheaper in the long run than even community prices.
I look at some of these public domain works and wonder why the pre-pubs are rather high. Other software manufacturers produce PD works for free. Surely there is a more cost effective way of getting PD into Logos products than community prices
Other software companies do not equate to the level of data tagging that Logos does, every book is more than raw text it is heavily tagged. That said, Joe's earlier comments on the last page are correct: Community pricing is about as cheap as your going to get this level of tagging for.
The next stage comming is when Logos brings Personal Book Builder (PBB) support into Logos 4. As soon as they are able to do that well, there are already about a thousand public domain books in PBB format available for download from my own site, as well as a few others (John McComb's site comes immediately to mind.)
Thomas I'm not going to pursue this for very long not sure I have much more to add. However, producing free books for hundreds of dollars because some one indexed them seems extreme to me. For me, as a consumer, a different business model for PD may encourage me to spend more money for items that I might not otherwise spring for....community pricing or not.
I admit I love the community pricing idea and I get a lot of books through that path, but keep in mind that price is only given for a short period of time and to a few hundred people...most people that have Logos do not pay those prices for public domain books, if they get them on pre-pub they pay 3-4 times those prices and if they get them latter they pay even more. Only a limited few pay those prices.
Let's be honest the community pricing price is to pay for the costs of all the tagging, and once it reaches the line on the graph, they believe they have enough money to pay the cost for doing the book, a few hundred people get the book at cost and the good deal is gone, everyone one else is for the most part gravy.
It is hard for me to understand the huge jumps in price for every one else, because the product is already paid for and if they sold another 1000 copies at the same community price that would be nearly all profit! Or am I missing something? Instead we see pre-pub prices 2-5 times the community price and much higher after that!
Those are the prices that most Logos users will end up paying for public domain books and that is one of the reasons people think that Logos is too expensive!!! After all the tagging was already paid for by the first few hundred, according to numbers that was given by Logos.
I would love to get the public domain Lange's commentary but the cost is 295.00 dollar range. It is in the same size range as the Tyndale and EBC commentary sets both are copyrighted sets and yet look at the crazy price for a public domain set 295.00 compared to the price for the newer commentaries. Try to explain that Logos public domain titles are a good buy when someone sees that price!
I must come from a different world, because most of the believers that I deal with find those kind of mark ups on public domain books crazy in this economy, or for believers in other countries!
every book is more than raw text it is heavily tagged
To me raw text is excellent if it is free.
As soon as they are able to do that well, there are already about a thousand public domain books in PBB format available for download from my own site, as well as a few others (John McComb's site comes immediately to mind.)
I would suggest one more thing: the PBB should be well organized in one center, either officially or unofficially (That will be great if Logos is willing to take the lead, but I don't think they would). I think at the moment there are some sites doing it. Might be it is good to have a central site to organize all the resources (like how Logos organize the titles) and give a link point to it.
By the way, could you lists down the major sites that offer PBB? Truth is still Truth is the only one I know.
Thanks.
The next stage comming is when Logos brings Personal Book Builder (PBB) support into Logos 4.
By the way, since the file of Logos4 is different from the Libronix 3.0, I think it is true for PBB too? So, do one need to recompile all the PBB again? In particular, "type" is supported in Logos4.
By the way, since the file of Logos4 is different from the Libronix 3.0, I think it is true for PBB too? So, do one need to recompile all the PBB again? In particular, "type" is supported in Logos4
I suspect that the answer is yes. 1) the old format for PBB is not supported in Logos 4 and 2) Logos has said the new PBB would take advantage of the .logos4 native format.
Just a few thoughts on top of that...
This exact line of thought was brought up in the old newsgroups. At that time someone from Logos (Dan Pritchett?) explained that yes the CP pays for the tagging with little margin.
After that initial sale, book sales have to continue to pay for the programmers, customer service, building, lights, marketing and so forth. And, all of the books whether PD or under copyright have a massive sales drop off after the initial release - price notwithstanding.
I've read that the majority of Logos' 750,000 users never buy another book after the first purchase. That leaves a lot of staff and physical plant to pay for.
Probably not. :-) (that is: I Imagine you're from this world). The difference is that the free engine we all enjoy and use has to be paid for by the books.
Note: Since I don't set the prices, or even understand the mechanism by which prices are set all I can offer here, and above is what I've absorbed from reading multiple posts. I'm not trying to convert you here, just explain what I know.
In that case, CCEL or google books might be a better place for you to get PD books. Then again, as has been said, PBB is coming... so expect good things!
But I have bad news for my site, and good news for you. Logos has indicated that they will in fact be a clearing house for PBB's. That is, that Logos will host them and provide the bandwidth for download. The upside is that more people (everyone?) will know about them.
Logos has indicated that PBB will look and act like "regular" Logos books. We don't know more than that since the tool and format haven't been released, even in beta yet. We'll just have to wait and see - but yes I do believe they've stated that for optimum effect, former PBB's would need to be recompiled into the new L4 format. Though I also believe they said the L3 ones would continue to work, but perhaps not to as great an effect.
In that case, CCEL or google books might be a better place for you to get PD books.
Might be I am not using the right term. "raw text" is not raw picture so I would like to see that the text would be searchable. (I think Google's one is just from OCR so the search do not always work?)
Logos has indicated that they will in fact be a clearing house for PBB's. That is, that Logos will host them and provide the bandwidth for download.
Great news! (Great old news)
The next stage comming is when Logos brings Personal Book Builder (PBB) support into Logos 4. As soon as they are able to do that well, there are already about a thousand public domain books in PBB format available for download from my own site,
Thomas, I have never used PBB. Are these "tagged" like regular Logos products?
A) Not really
That depends
C) we don't really know
The answer is all of the above!
In L3, PBB's did not act like regular books (no markup, etc...) As a result of that there is/was a much smaller subset of tagging available - John M. did a phenomenal job building a tool (PBB builder builder) which was designed to facilitate coding texts into marked-up-ready-to-compile books. A certain level of tagging and functionality was available - but with the move to L4 still pending all we have to go on are comments made during early beta and along this board that PBB will indeed act and work like "regular" books.
Therefore, I would anticipate that a much higher level of markup will be available for PBB's in the future.
Thomas, I have never used PBB. Are these "tagged" like regular Logos products?welll....... A) Not really That depends C) we don't really know The answer is all of the above! In L3, PBB's did not act like regular books (no markup, etc...) As a result of that there is/was a much smaller subset of tagging available - John M. did a phenomenal job building a tool (PBB builder builder) which was designed to facilitate coding texts into marked-up-ready-to-compile books. A certain level of tagging and functionality was available - but with the move to L4 still pending all we have to go on are comments made during early beta and along this board that PBB will indeed act and work like "regular" books. Therefore, I would anticipate that a much higher level of markup will be available for PBB's in the future.
Gracias.
Is PBB (at least what you were familiar with in Libronix) something that requires advanced tech knowledge? Ie, do you have to write out code? Or is it just a matter of inserting text and clicking formatting/coding buttons?
Dan,
having basic HTML skills would not hurt at all. [:)] Nothing fancy mind you.
However, John's tool ( http://jcmc.ca/Libronix/Downloads/index.html) Certainly made the process easier. Also IIRC you could go as far as building it the way you want it in a word processor and using it's export to HTML feature to generate the file.
Though I believe doing so had some issues with typically sloppy, over tagged and bloated code.
EDIT: here's a better link to John's program: http://jcmc.ca/Libronix/builderbuilder.html
Thanks, Thomas. [:)]
However, producing free books for hundreds of dollars because some one indexed them seems extreme to me.
For me, the only reason for purchasing a PD resource for Logos is specifically because the indexing/tagging is that valuable to me. And in some cases Logos has resources available that are otherwise available only as page images. Occasionally, it is simply the ability to attach notes that are searchable with my my other Logos notes that make the Logos edition worth the cost to me. As long as the PD books are sold primarily as individual items rather than collections, I am able to purchase what is worth the cost to me and ignore the rest.
There are several websites that make the raw text readily available.
I would suggest one more thing: the PBB should be well organized in one center, either officially or unofficially
There have been hints that Logos may be thinking this direction. But there is also the question of how the individuals who create the PBB's wish to distribute the materials. There are certain PBB's that I will distribute among friends that I would hesitate to put onto a public site.
Might be I am not using the right term. "raw text" is not raw picture so I would like to see that the text would be searchable.
CCEL provides this as does sacred texts.
That is definitely an understatement.[:)]
I suppose M.J. that there are endless reason to spend sums of money on products or services that can be found in the market place at a lower price (or even free). The value of a product seems directly related to how much utility a consumer perceives to get from using that particular product. It appears to me that there is always one more book that I am suppose to buy from Logos, one more upgrade I'm suppose to have, one more training item or seminar that I need, one more specialized library at a discount price I have to purchase before the price increase. I find this an exhausting process, along with the other endless commercial spam from a variety of sources, in which I too try to weed through the stuff I don't want for a gem or two. It would be nice to have less "process" and more convenience in picking items that I find helpful from the forest of books Logos produces and I believe a subscription might help with that. For me value and price are two different issues that Logos may want to look at at some point in the future.
It appears to me that there is always one more book that I am suppose to buy from Logos, one more upgrade I'm suppose to have, one more training item or seminar that I need, one more specialized library at a discount price I have to purchase before the price increase.
Amen. So true indeed.
Logos is not a ministry. It is a business. They have rent, utilities, payroll, etc. They need to make money. You make it sound like they are making TOO much money. Logos and Exxon are worlds apart.
You're concerned about price, but to be honest Logos is pretty cheap overall. I have spent a fraction of the retail price for all the books I own. I added it up once. I went to a popular online Christian bookstore and saw how much each of my favorite books cost in print, including my favorite commentary sets, and I must say I literally have saved THOUSANDS of dollars with Logos.
You talk about being in a place where the believers you deal with can't afford Logos pricing, if this is true how do they own a computer (that can run L4)? Seriously.
God provides you with what you need regardless of price. If God thinks you need that 295 dollar Lange's commentary, God will give you the money for it. If it's God's money to begin with than it's impossible for you to ever get ripped off.
The value of a product seems directly related to how much utility a consumer perceives to get from using that particular product. It appears to me that there is always one more book that I am suppose to buy from Logos, one more upgrade I'm suppose to have, one more training item or seminar that I need, one more specialized library at a discount price I have to purchase before the price increase. I find this an exhausting process...
This will do nothing to mitiigate your thoughts: it's going to increase. Logos is committed to producing as much as possible in this format.
Honestly, Prepub and Community pricing are two tools which enable them to do that.
There are at least two potential business models at play here - and keep in mind, that Logos is still considered a "small" company (even with almost 200 (?) employees and a new "skyscraper" (1, 2).
Logos can charge prices so high that they can bankroll large ammounts of funds, and / or borrow (at interest of course) large sums of money in order to front load the costs of producing multiple tens of thousands of pages of text -- double keyed, painstakingly tagged, crossing linguistic barriers, etc. All while paying royalty fees to copyright owners (not for PD of course).
This would leave them massively in debt and scrambling to sell all books at whatever price would enable them to pay off their debtors, thus making them slaves to their lendors, and binding their hands for future development.
Logos can guarantee, through the prepub and CP programs that the price (tens of thousands of dollars) of producing a single book or series will be completely covered by interested parties. Thus eliminating (or greatly reducing) debt load making them better stewards of their labor pool, their money and their physical plant.
Both options have rapidly increased the amount of materials Logos can produce, in fact the second option which has been Logos' pursuit for the last several years - has IMHO proven to be a success in that it let's them test the viability of a product before producing it. Some items like, Barnes notes - are less viable than others and production is appropriately delayed until such time as it becomes viable.
The negative is that option two creates an environment where the end user has to be much more selective in our wants and desires. Early on, I bought everything Logos produced. But my current financial position combined with Logos' massively increased level of production has brought my purchases to a slower pace and have caused me no shortage of pangs to watch a bargain go past me.
Believe me, I understand that the constant marketing is wearying - but I also have the power to be selective. On my home page, I've left the Blog and community pricing active so that I can see what's new there. But pre-pub is off my menu for now, I just can't take the onslaught of missed bargains.
In the end I have had to decide not to be driven by a greedy consumerist mentality (which is my nature). I have had to make the mental shift from consumer to frugal shopper.
Joshua, I want you know that overall I agree Logos is a great buy. However I was not talking about overall but rather about their public domain books, and you can disgree with me, but for the most part their public domain books are not a great buy. And since I deal with alot of people, teaching them how to use many different bible study programs, many of these people are quick to point out some of the crazy prices Logos has on their public domain books.
As for my comments about the Lange commentary set, first off you have over looked my point that there are two sets of good commentaries that are about the same size as the Lange set that are copyrighted, that are nearly 1/2 the price! If this makes sense to you, that's okay, but it doesn't to me.
Secondly, I mentioned I would like this set in Logos, but at that kind of price I will do without it, but I did not mention I have the set already and yes, I believe God wanted me to have the set, and I am thankful to Him! I got a free public domain set and I have been putting the set into another program that will allow me to search it, click on references and go to the bible of my choice and even tag the text if I want too! I thank God for providing this other program!
However, as you pointed out Logos is a business and if this resource would have been at a more sensible price for a public domain set, such as 100.00 to 150.00 dollars I would have bought it and placed it in Logos, and that would have given them some money and done some good advertising for Logos, instead the free program nows get the attention when I have to use it instead of Logos to pull up this commentary set!
You may or may not have contact with many people that are using bible software to study the scriptures, but I do as someone that teaches believer how to study using bible software! And I have always been hopeful that Logos would be the program for all levels of believers, rich or poor, but Logos 4, at least up to this point is really hurting that idea.
Not only does the lack of a pbb hurt, the cost of public domain books also hurts, but like you mentioned the cost of a computer to run it hurts too. However at least for now folks can still run Libronix 3 and do not need to buy a new computer.
At least for myself, I am using Logos 4 less and less and going back Libronix 3 to a program that allows printing, better note taking, and the use of pbb modules. It is not that I don't love Logos 4, but I simply got tired of waiting to for the features I need to study. There was no need to be frustrated, I just move back to Libronix 3 until they get Logos 4 done.
I know Logos is trying to make money and that's okay, but as the economy has changed and I believe it will continue to change, they may make more money by charging less for their public domain books, I know I would by more!
If this makes sense to you, that's okay, but it doesn't to me.
One distinct possibility is that the modern edition was given to Logos in electronic format by the publisher and required only tagging.
The value of a product seems directly related to how much utility a consumer perceives to get from using that particular product. It appears to me that there is always one more book that I am suppose to buy from Logos, one more upgrade I'm suppose to have, one more training item or seminar that I need, one more specialized library at a discount price I have to purchase before the price increase.
We also pay for having the latest, greatest, newest on the block. When CD Roms first came out there was a multilingual dictionary collection CD titled "Languages of the Wordl" that retailed for $750. Recently I saw it selling on for $5. The CD still has the same content and capabilities it had on release. But now there are many similar or free alternatives. This is not to say the CD was not a good investment at $750 for a business that needed it 25 years ago. The same could be said of Logos. The "higher" investment is worth it to many for what it can presently do. Not everybody can afford it. Most of us have to pass on many extras we would like to have. But having that choice is nicer than not.
What would be the public reaction to a flat subscription model to everything Logos publishes? How would that affect the bottom line?
Recently Popular Mechanics magazine partnered with G@@gle to make all their archive of previous issues available online. Is there a day coming where nobody "buys" books but rents access to them?
I would like to know more about this. Could you send me an email for this? Thanks. kolen_cheung at yahoo.com.hk
Amen. The ability to test the viability of a product before producing it is important.
I think the main difference between them is if there is a collection or not. We can save thousands of dollars for books in copyright because there are collections and base packages. But we don't have one for public domain books.
From Discount on 35 Volumes of Pauline Scholarship:
"The suggested retail for these volumes is over $2,200.00, and even at the normal sale price it would cost you around $800.00. During the month of April, we’re offering this new library for $399.95. That’s around $12 per volume, which is as close as we’ll ever get to the Pre-Pub prices of these resources again! Just enter coupon code APRILPAUL at checkout during the month of April to get the discount."
If they are willing to sell the copy right books with a discount as close as its pre-pub prices, why don't they create collections for public domain books so that we can get it for the community pricing price again? They still make money for that and they don't need to pay the publishers!
So, I think an option for collections of public domain books is the first remedy of the issue.
owever I was not talking about overall but rather about their public domain books
Amen. The topic should be "Please make available Public Domain books with cheaper Price"
[Quote user="Thomas Black"] Logos has indicated that they will in fact be a clearing house for PBB's. That is, that Logos will host them and provide the bandwidth for download. The upside is that more people (everyone?) will know about them. [/Quote]
I hope this is not the case, I have stuff which I want to use Logos for but would no want anyone including Logos having access too..
If there is no Local Stand alone then for me its a step in the wrong direction, I understand the logic of Logos holding the PBB people decide to distribute, but NOT their private ones.
I hope this is not the case, I have stuff which I want to use Logos for but would no want anyone including Logos having access too.. If there is no Local Stand alone then for me its a step in the wrong direction, I understand the logic of Logos holding the PBB people decide to distribute, but NOT their private ones.
I think Logos is providing a platform, but not forcing everyone to use that platform only.
Their PBB builder has a private one and a public one, right?
By the way, I feel that the PBB builder is too expensive in Libronix 3.0. I hope that it would be an affordable price (example deleted. The concern is, affordable.)
By the way, I feel that the PBB builder is too expensive in Libronix 3.0. I hope that it would be an affordable price (say, $39.95 without annual fee, or free with annual fee $15.95). Hope that I am not too harsh, but wish that I am not so poor.
I hope you are judging appropriate price on the cost of development and support. This is not directed at you Kolen or this thread, but I really am getting tired of posts that in effect assume that as external users without access to any concrete financial data, we could make better business decisions than Logos. This is often combined with the equally annoying "why does Logos publish anything other than what I want - and publish it now." To me, the far more Christian attitude is to encourage Logos to do and publish the items that ensure a broad market base and share.
By the way, it's been a few days - where ARE my canon and Byzantine resources?[:)]
By the way, it's been a few days - where ARE my canon and Byzantine resources?
I am waiting on the Logos CP version of the St. John's Bible.
. . . I imagine the wait will be almost as long as the Byzantine era is over . . .
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