How do I control the Topic section of a search results list?

Someone remind me how do I control what gets populated in the "Topic" section of a search. For example, when I search on "worship," the Topic section is populated with links to the entry on worship in Eerdman's and Smith's dictionary. But I have more dictionaries! I thought it might have something to do with the Prioritize feature, but I checked and I have Holman's prioritized over Erdman's and Smith's. So what gives?

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Jeremy

Not all of the dictionaries will come up when you do a Topic Search right now. That is something that Logos is working on. There is a better way do search your dictionaries for topics. Make a collection and put all of the dictionaries you want in it. Then make a customized word study under Edit Guide Template, add the collection to the Definition aspect of the guide, and wallah you have what you want.

David P. Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/118870#Comment_118870

Ok, thanks, Jeremy--I hadn't thought of that. But your reply touches on something else I've been thinking about regarding this: trying to do a "headword" search, or something similiar. Right now, when I search on "worship" in my dictionary collection, the resuts are really unusable: I get over 5,000 hits. All I'm really intersted in is seeing those entries where "worship" is a topic heading. But I take it from past forum posts that this is not possible yet.

But I believe the Bible Word Study suggestion will do what I want right now--I had forgotten about that feature. Logos does too much!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/118881#Comment_118881

But I believe the Bible Word Study suggestion will do what I want right now

What Jeremy suggested is excellent and it does better than the current Topic search (via Basic Search) because it provides the "headword"/topic from your bible dictionaries. So instead of 4000 - 5000 hits for worship you will get 8 - 20 hits depending on the number of bible dictionaries.

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/118954#Comment_118954

i get similar results as David on worship with my Dictionary collection (it has 8 Bible dictionaries and most are in my priority as well). Only 3 show up under Topic in the basic search. But if you open one of those in Topic, you can use the Parallel resources icon to locate that headword in the other dictionaries. FWIW

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/118988#Comment_118988

Also, if you want to filter hits more carefully search like this:

Create a topic collection

Do a basic search and check "match case" and "match all word forms"

then when you do the search, use a capital letter for the first letter and it should be heavy on "topic headings" instead of junk hits....

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119075#Comment_119075

Also, if you want to filter hits more carefully search like this:

Create a topic collection

Do a basic search and check "match case" and "match all word forms"

then when you do the search, use a capital letter for the first letter and it should be heavy on "topic headings" instead of junk hits....

Good suggestion too. I hadn't thought of that. When will the Topic Search be fully functional? One more thing, the Encyclopedia of Christianity does not come up in my original suggestion. It always worked fine using this same searching strategy in L3 and I wish the headwords were tagged in this resource in L4.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119148#Comment_119148

When will the Topic Search be fully functional?

Unknown. Meanwhile, your Word Study Guide suggestion will do very well, especially as 4.0c improves the presentation:-

One more thing, the Encyclopedia of Christianity does not come up in my original suggestion. It always worked fine using this same searching strategy in L3 and I wish the headwords were tagged in this resource in L4.

I added this to http://wiki.logos.com/Indexing_Changes_Needed - just check I got it right. Logos monitor this list.

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119163#Comment_119163

Now Logos just needs to stop naming the dictionaries after their acronyms cause I forget which one I am trying to open. Also, many times the Dictionary of New Testament background does not find the right word in the word study definition. "Law" is an example.

David P. Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119075#Comment_119075

Do a basic search and check "match case" and "match all word forms"

Excellent suggestion, Robert! Doing that, my results goes from 5,000 to 400. Still not perfect, but a lot more manageable.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119255#Comment_119255

Logos just needs to stop naming the dictionaries after their acronyms cause I forget which one I am trying to open

You are aware that you can rename the dictionaries to the name of your choice?

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/118870#Comment_118870

There is a better way do search your dictionaries for topics. Make a collection and put all of the dictionaries you want in it. Then make a customized word study under Edit Guide Template, add the collection to the Definition aspect of the guide, and wallah you have what you want.

Also, if you want to filter hits
more carefully search like this:

Create a topic collection

Do a basic search and check "match case" and "match all word forms"

then when you do the search, use a capital letter for the first
letter and it should be heavy on "topic headings" instead of junk
hits....

Nice, added these to the wiki Tips from the Forum

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119274#Comment_119274

Logos just needs to stop naming the dictionaries after their acronyms cause I forget which one I am trying to open

You are aware that you can rename the dictionaries to the name of your choice?

No. How do you do that?

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119269#Comment_119269

Do a basic search and check "match case" and "match all word forms"

Excellent suggestion, Robert! Doing that, my results goes from 5,000 to 400. Still not perfect, but a lot more manageable.

I can't match case and all words forms at once. Only allows me one option it seems.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119467#Comment_119467

1) Open the library window

2) open the information view (the circle-i icon)

3) modify or create short title text

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119469#Comment_119469

I can't match case and all words forms at once. Only allows me one option it seems.

Choose match all word forms.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119496#Comment_119496

I have set up the Guide as suggested and added my dictionary collection to it.

However, it doesn't seem to work as I expected.

For example, I was using it to do a search for "Thomas Aquinas" and got no hits.

I have the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church which has an article on "Thomas Aquinas, St".

This dictionary is in my collection and is indexed by English headwords.

I feel as though I am missing something fundamental.

Any pointers appreciated

Graham

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120444#Comment_120444

Graham,

i don't know what's wrong...here is the results of my search...

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120592#Comment_120592

Robert

Thanks for the reply.

I don't have the "Surface Text" option - is that a 4.0c feature?

Apart from that if I do the search you are doing I get the same answer. But I understood the above discussion to suggest that one could create a topic guide with a dictionary collection and search against that and just get the headwords.

Is that not the case?

Graham

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120612#Comment_120612

Graham,

the surface text is a beta thing but I also did it with the options turned off...so it should work for you!

All I did was to make a collection of bible dictionaries, and use them as a basic search. I did "match case" and I unchecked "match case" and both worked...

I can't figure out why yours wouldn't work?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120612#Comment_120612

But I understood the above discussion to suggest that one could create a topic guide with a dictionary collection and search against that and just get the headwords.

The Word Guide accepts one word and it must be a bible word, else it does not come up as a suggestion. Thus you can input Thomas but my results did not include the ODCC!

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120444#Comment_120444

Hi

I have set up the Guide as suggested and added my dictionary collection to it.

However, it doesn't seem to work as I expected.

For example, I was using it to do a search for "Thomas Aquinas" and got no hits.

I have the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church which has an article on "Thomas Aquinas, St".

This dictionary is in my collection and is indexed by English headwords.

I feel as though I am missing something fundamental.

Any pointers appreciated

Graham

Your question is one problem with my way of searching. Not until Logos implements the topic section of a regular word search will your conundrum be solved.

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120592#Comment_120592

Graham,

i don't know what's wrong...here is the results of my search...

What exactly is surface text?

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121136#Comment_121136

What exactly is surface text?

1) What you're seeing is a feature of the Beta

2) surface text is the regular text of a book. It excludes footnotes or any other fields that might be present.

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121143#Comment_121143

I'm using the newest beta. I thought there were more options that just surface text and footnotes.

Scott S

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119163#Comment_119163

Word Study Guide suggestion will do very well, especially as 4.0c improves the presentation:-

Dave,

Thanks for posting the image of 4.0c Word Study Guide (below). I can see that is a bit of an improvement. Do you know if the there been discussion / suggestion about showing the full resource title instead of just the abbrev.?

I like the presentation for Basic Search results which shows the full name of the resource and the first four lines of the entry. That's a pretty helpful format, and in my opinion, better than a list of resource abbreviations. Many of the abbreviations are so similar that I'm often unsure about which resource I'm opening.

Also, the Word Study search for "law" missed "LAW IN THE NT" heading in the ISBE. How should that be reported, as a typo?

Thanks in advance,

Scott

as 4.0c improves the presentation:-

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121152#Comment_121152

No I don't think it is a typo. There is only so much that type of search can do. I think it can only do one word searches.Search the first page of this thread to learn how to manually change the names of your books.

Scott S

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121171#Comment_121171

I think it can only do one word searches

Hi
Jeremy, I tested for this b4 I posted. Word Study search does find a
single word in multi- word heads.

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121180#Comment_121180

Well it didn't work for the example you gave. All I was saying is that it won't find complete phrases from what I have seen.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121152#Comment_121152

Thanks for posting the image of 4.0c Word Study Guide (below). I can see that is a bit of an improvement. Do you know if the there been discussion / suggestion about showing the full resource title instead of just the abbrev.?

Not that I recall. I'm not bothered as the abbreviations are fairly meaningful and I use Parallel Resources to navigate to the other dictionaries!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121152#Comment_121152

Also, the Word Study search for "law" missed "LAW IN THE NT" heading in the ISBE. How should that be reported, as a typo?

No - it's definitely not a typo. But you can send an email to logos4feedback@logos.com

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/120668#Comment_120668

I noticed that when I add my own collection to my word study guide, the new dictionary of theology entry does not come up. When I select all resources, it does. Why is that?

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/121925#Comment_121925

Nevermind.

Andreas Holmberg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/119075#Comment_119075

Also, if you want to filter hits more carefully search like this:

Create a topic collection

Do a basic search and check "match case" and "match all word forms"

then when you do the search, use a capital letter for the first letter and it should be heavy on "topic headings" instead of junk hits....

Maybe a silly question, but I just can't find where the options "match case" and "match all word forms" are located in the Basic search pane. Where do I check these options? I'm on 4.0b SR-2.

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/124563#Comment_124563

Maybe a silly question, but I just can't find where the options "match case" and "match all word forms" are located in the Basic search pane. Where do I check these options? I'm on 4.0b SR-2.

Andreas Holmberg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/124566#Comment_124566

Thank you Kevin! Got it!

Jeremy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/124568#Comment_124568

I am using the newest beta and the only main problem (the rest have been fixed by Logos already) I have with L4 now is that the Topic Search needs to incorporate all the dictionaries. Any word form Logos on when this might occur?