I would like to see resources with studies in depth about the the second coming of Jesus Christ .
Surprised by Hope - Tom Wright (but not available on Logos yet)
Is a short, readable study.
Logos should be publishing more by this author.
Tootle pip
Mike
Here's another good one found in the Logos store:
http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/FOOTSTMESSH
Roger
Tes, here is another book that helps one get a handle on Revelation. It is the first of a trilogy by this author. He is writing a 2 volume commentary right now, and after that, I think, comes a work on "special issues" of Revelation/Apocalyptic literature. This one offers guidelines to interpretation.
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2924
Surprised by Hope - Tom Wright (but not available on Logos yet) Is a short, readable study. Logos should be publishing more by this author. Tootle pip Mike
Definitely a watershed book for me, I picked it up early last year. Also looked at a book by Randy Alcorn, called Heaven, based on Wright's recommendation. they don't share the same millennial theology, but they both give more "concreteness" to the New Heaven and Earth.
Thank you all for the recommedation.
Here's another good one found in the Logos store: http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/FOOTSTMESSH Roger
Tess I have recently start reading this book by Arnold Fruchtenbaum andhe does a very good job of pulling it together and in Logos the cross-reference scriptures are invaluable.
Thank you Kenneth
I must say, I hadn't heard about this resource. But anything recommended by Dr. Charles Ryrie on this topic has to be good. I was thinking about sitting down and reading The Revelation of Jesus Christ by John Walvoord.
http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/GS_WALV_REVJC
Whoa crazy! I just did a google search on Dr. Fruchtenbaum - the author of "The Footsteps of the Messiah" listed above. I just wanted to see what he believed and what other works he did. I find out that I literally live just several minutes away from his church. And if my memory serves me well, I think I visited his church once.
I guess it shouldn't surprise me though, here in San Antonio we have a bunch of big churches. John Hagee's church is 6 miles from me and Max Lucado isn't too far either.
I just did a google search on Dr. Fruchtenbaum
Trivia: He lived in So. Cal. until several years ago when they moved their ministry (Ariel Ministries) to San Antonio. I went to Israel with him 15 years ago. He knows the history of Israel well and can bring up just about any Scripture from memory. He Jewish and reminds me of what the Apostle Paul might have been like -- and, he climbed Masada in flip-flops (Now that should get you to read his book).
Hi Ghebreab,
You've got great resources in Logos to study in depth about the second coming of Jesus Christ - the greatest by far being the versions of the Bible! You can study inductively by studying Daniel, Revelation, I Thessalonians and II Peter, book by book. Those are the main doctrinal portions of Scripture which give us a time-table based on "givens". Daniel will give you your 'skeleton' and Revelation, I Thess & II Peter will add 'flesh' to your skeleton. Matthew 24, and other cross-references (for example Acts 2), will add some clarity to the flesh of the skeleton.
Once you have finished those, you can go to almost all the prophets, (especially Ezekiel, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Zechariah and others) and find valuable portions concerning the Day of the Lord which will include further information on the coming of the Lord and can be added to your previous information.
You will be able to discern which bits of information have already been fulfilled and which have not been fulfilled completely, but you will have to put '?' marks on many of the already fulfilled events as so many of them are also a type of the times to come (i.e. many of the events concerning the nations, which, by the way, are presently definitely on the runway for takeoff in God's timetable!)
Then, the Psalms come next with many more bits of valuable information. And finally, the rest of the Bible!
But keep in mind, clear doctrinal givens must be the foundation, and no interpretation of any prophecy can contradict the givens.
PS My computer's been down since we last talked. Hope you are well and studying Romans.
Sharon
The funniest thing just happen to me, and I can't think where else I can tell this story and have it make sense ...
I had just been catching up on forum posts here in "PC" and in "PC Beta", about updates, crashes, logs, pasting to Word, Vista performance, indexing, footnotes in WordPad, and font issues.
I came to this forum, and the top one said "The Second coming of the Lord", and the first thought into my head was "Why would someone write a thing like that in a computer program support board??
My 2nd thought was, of course we can (here). Praise God!
I'm smiling now ... Its good to remember why we care about using the Logos applications in the first place ...
and no interpretation of any prophecy can contradict the givens. PS My computer's been down since we last talked. Hope you are well and studying Romans.
and no interpretation of any prophecy can contradict the givens.
Dear sisterSharon,
First and forfmost , I am very grateful to the one who is worthy to be praised and glorified.I would like to thank you as well for the detail explantions and recommendations.I agree, you are right that is what I am supposed to do ,but as I am studying the Romans inductively ,the demand of my wish studying the second comming of the Lord is great ,but for the moment as one having two legs cannot climb a tree as the same time, I am not able to do that ,may the Lord give me a chance of studying it before anything happens.I would be glad if there would be recommended books as many as possible to see in Logos rescources as well ,which can give us highlights.
BUT SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ;I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT THIS TOPIC HAS COME TO THIS FORUM FROM FLESH AND BLOOD ;I AM TOTALLY AWARE THAT THIS TOPIC;WHICH IS IN THE HEART OF GOD FOR HIS PEOPLE TO LET US BE AWARE AND FOCUS ON HIS COMING:IT WILL SAY SOMETHING TO ANY ONE WHO LOVES THE LORD AND WHO LONGS HIS COMING AGAIN:
all are well,praise the Lord.
Blessings to all who love the lord!
Hope you are well and studying Romans.
I havedropped my anchor on Romans 3:21-31for weeks long, I don’t know when the departure to the next port will takeplace.
as many as possible
Not only in quantity ,but in quality of sound doctrine as well .
I would like to see more of George Ladd's work on eschatology, especially his commentary on Revelation. Ladd had been a great influence on my views.
I would like to see more of George Ladd's work on eschatology, especially his commentary on Revelation
Would you please give some informations about the book?
Sure, Tes, glad to.
Dr. George Ladd was a professor at Fuller Theological Seminary. He taught "Historic Premillennialism" as opposed to "Dispensationalist Premillennialism". His commentary on Revelation is an excellent example of this view.
Ladd would reject a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, but he would believe in a literal millennial kingdom in which Christ reigns on this earth for 1,000 years following his return. Ladd would say that the scripture teaches the parousia (coming) of the Christ, not the rapture followed by a parousia seven years later.
Ladd believed that most biblical prophecy has both a present and a future fulfillment. For example, he believed that there have been many "antichrists" in history, but he also believed there would be a final eschatological antichrist.
For example, in his book Last Things, which is available in Logos, Ladd writes about the Antichrist as the beast in Revelation 13: During Paul’s missionary journeys Rome was, as we have seen, a friend to Christians. But under Nero, the situation was radically changed and the Christians experienced a short but fierce persecution. The state, instead of a divine ordinance, had become a demonic state. Revelation 13 has a double fulfillment. As Daniel foresees both the Greek Antiochus and the eschatological Antichrist, as our Lord in the Olivet discourse had in view both the fall of Jerusalem and the eschatological Antichrist, so Revelation 13 depicts first Rome and then beyond Rome the eschatological Antichrist.
Ladd wrote a great little book on eschatology called The Blessed Hope, which would make a wonderful Logos resource. He wrote A Theology of the New Testament, which was used in dozens of seminaries. I would like to see a collection of his work in Logos, and especially his commentary on Revelation. Ladd's commentary on Revelation had a major impact upon my theology.
For a taste of Ladd's eschatology, Logos has his The Last Things, which is written on a layman's level for only $14. I have given that book to lots of lay people over the years. It is good.
Ladd would reject a pre-tribulation rapture of the church
Thank you Michael, My position is quite different.I belive the church will be caught up before the tribulation.
This is a good resource to examine other views on Revelation. It's always a good thing to study or at least understand the opposing theological views from our own.
Gregg, Steve. Revelation, Four Views : A Parallel Commentary. Nashville, Tenn.: T. Nelson Publishers, 1997.
It's always a good thing to study or at least understand the opposing theological views from our own.
Joshua, in this case you are right.
The Sign, by Robert Van Kampen
http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/THESIGN
Great Tes,
Logos has a number of resources that reflect your views. You might be interested in the John F. Walvoord Commentary Collection, which is put out in Logos format by one of the publishing partners. Walvoord was long time President of Dallas Theological Seminary, and he is highly respected in dispensational circles.
I respect all orthodox views of Christian eschatology, though I personally have come to the historic premillenial position. I think we should all consider the possibility that we might be wrong, and examine all views. Let the scripture rule over all theologies of men.
Blessings in Jesus.
This by the way is a good example of semantic meaning versus pragmatic effect using discourse analysis, which despite my initial scepticism I'm finding more and more interesting. The semantic meaning is "He is right in this particular case". The pragmatic effect would be "He is right in this particular case, but not in some others. (see Section 1:2, page 18 of Discourse Grammar by Runge).
"He is right in this particular case
Hi Alex,
Well, Iadmit my English is not adquate,I don’t have the book you have mentioned ,butwhat I mean is exactly as you have said it, to magnify the truth one hast to knowthe negative side, just like to appreciate the light one hast to know what he cannot do without the it, in thismatter I agree with you.
Blessingsin Christ.
Joshua, in this case you are right. This by the way is a good example of semantic meaning versus pragmatic effect using discourse analysis, which despite my initial scepticism I'm finding more and more interesting. The semantic meaning is "He is right in this particular case". The pragmatic effect would be "He is right in this particular case, but not in some others. (see Section 1:2, page 18 of Discourse Grammar by Runge).
This is too funny. I see someone has been reading their new book. [Y] How do you like it?
Yes, and I always say this to people who disagree with my position in hopes they will study mine and adopt it as their own. [:P]
I remember reading "The Meaning of the Millenium (four views)" by Clouse and Clouse, and after each perspective thinking "That sounds logical! I agree with THAT one." Then I read the counter remarks . . .
would love that resource in Logos, too.
Ladd would reject a pre-tribulation rapture of the church Thank you Michael, My position is quite different.I belive the church will be caught up before the tribulation.
This resource might be in line with your particular view:
http://www.logos.com/products/details/5283
For what it is worth:
Here is a link to a very interesting article entitled, "What is Literal Interpretation?" http://www.frame-poythress.org/Poythress_books/bdisp/bd8.html. Eschatology deals with far more than simply trying to understand prophecy or draw charts ... it necessarily requires careful consideration of your hermeneutics.
Clouse is a very good place to start (or review) any echatological study but be sure to read and digest Geerhardus Vos', The Pauline Eschatology. Unfortunately, it is NOT yet available in Logos format (subtle hint/suggestion to the powers that be at Logos ... [;)]).
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