Frustration with Labels listed in right-click menu (WIN 7.14 Beta 4, 7.14.0.0019)
Labels listed in right-click menus often don't have a resource associated with them so the user must search for the source that the label is based on - very inconvenient and time consuming. As my research assistant, the Logos App should provide me with resources so I can go right to them to learn more.
Also, some tool tips for these labels (and tool tips in other places/functions of Logos) time-out before the user can read them. Tool tips should not time out but remain until the user moves from the pointer location that triggered the tool tip.
Please
- Provide resources for everything listed on the right side of right-click menus
- Turn off timers on all tool tips.
Reproduction:
- Go to Ephesians 4:24
- Right click on the word "put"
- Click on the expansion arrow next to the label "Accent Name: ..." to see list of all labels.
- See image below for example:
PS
I have over 5,000 resources in my library and am a Faithlife Connect Essentials - No library subscriber. What could I be missing that would cause this behavior? If I am missing the appropriate resources, how am I to know what I need without some indication from the App?
Comments
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Labels aren't intended to be 'opened', and therefore won't have that option on the context menu. That's partly because the majority of labels have multiple attributes, which would open in different locations.
The best way to 'read' labels is in the information panel (in the 'Other References' section). That will allow you plenty of time to look at the data for the label. For some labels, it will also allow you to click for a definition, or to jump to the location it points to.
Truthfully, it might be better if labels (and lots of the other information) were excluded from the context menu, and just placed in the information panel. I hope that might be an option in Logos 8. With all the new datasets, the context menu has grown like billy-o, and is rather unwieldy and slow, IMO.
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Mark Barnes said:
Truthfully, it might be better if labels (and lots of the other information) were excluded from the context menu, and just placed in the information panel. I hope that might be an option in Logos 8. With all the new datasets, the context menu has grown like billy-o, and is rather unwieldy and slow, IMO.
I'm not a beta carrot, so I'm easily wrong.
But I hazily remember Bob de-crying the old multi-layer menus, promising single layer panels. Maybe we're back to the future.
I 'still' wish I could right-click and see my lexicons, etc. I assume that's never again to be.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Mark Barnes said:
it might be better if labels (and lots of the other information) were excluded from the context menu, and just placed in the information panel. I hope that might be an option in Logos 8. With all the new datasets, the context menu has grown like billy-o, and is rather unwieldy and slow, IMO.
I share that concern, especially with Label Syllable which will provide all syllables from the word. The only downside is that Info doesn't provide a Search and some of the links (e.g. Figurative Language Source & Target) go nowhere.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Hi Mark,
Thank you for the insight, but my expectation is that if something is important enough for Logos to draw my attention to it, even with labels, Logos should provide a path to the details of the basis of that marker so I can understand the immediate context and learn the term for future reference.
The Figure of Speech labels in the info panel for the word in my example above are listed with no references or links to the source(s) of the terms that the labels are using.
These labels point to important information, but I am not familiar with all the Figure of Speech terms. I need to know where to go to understand what each label is telling me without having to run a search for each term. The terms used with each label came from somewhere. Each term used in the info panel and the context menu (Correspondence, Exchange of Parts of Speech, Antimereia, Change of Noun, Metonymy, etc.) should have a link to a resource that explains the term so us less informed users can understand what the label is telling us. (Labels aren't the only objects missing source details in the Info panel and context menu - they too should be addressed.)
Mark Barnes said:With all the new datasets, the context menu has grown like billy-o, and is rather unwieldy and slow, IMO.
I agree the context menu is unwieldy and slow. So is the Information panel. I think both tools need to be reworked for speed, completeness and ease of use to keep up with the wonderful growth in Logos' powerful capabilities.
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Tim Hensler said:
The Figure of Speech labels in the info panel for the word in my example above are listed with no references or links to the source(s) of the terms that the labels are using.
This is the Bullinger's Figures of Speech data set: https://www.logos.com/product/55340/bullingers-figures-of-speech-dataset
You will have to manually look up the definitions of these terms in Bullinger's Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, e.g., Antimereia is defined here: https://ref.ly/logosres/bullfig?ref=Page.p+491
If you own the Lexham Figurative Language data set (see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/129240.aspx) then all the terms will automatically be linked to the glossary that explains them.
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Hi Bradley,
Thank you for replying to my post. I do have Bullinger's and do manually look terms up when I need to. I do also have the Lexham Figurative Language data set, but the context menu has no link so I have been manually going to the information panel for those.
It just seems if the information is available and its location known, there should be a link.
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Tim Hensler said:
These labels point to important information, but I am not familiar with all the Figure of Speech terms. I need to know where to go to understand what each label is telling me without having to run a search for each term. The terms used with each label came from somewhere. Each term used in the info panel and the context menu (Correspondence, Exchange of Parts of Speech, Antimereia, Change of Noun, Metonymy, etc.) should have a link to a resource that explains the term so us less informed users can understand what the label is telling us.
I've noted your feature request for this.
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Tim Hensler said:
Thank you for the insight, but my expectation is that if something is important enough for Logos to draw my attention to it, even with labels, Logos should provide a path to the details of the basis of that marker so I can understand the immediate context and learn the term for future reference.
I agree. Whilst the information panel is better than the context menu, it's not perfect.
Tim Hensler said:I agree the context menu is unwieldy and slow. So is the Information panel. I think both tools need to be reworked for speed…
You can speed up the information panel by:
- Having it update on "Click" rather than "Hover" (click the down arrow next to its tab).
- Removing or minimising sections, or parts of sections, you don't need. To do the former click on the X in the section heading. Or hover over the heading for settings, and remove the parts you don't want.
You'll also find that the first time you bring up the information panel it might be a little slow, but if you leave it open then next time you click on a word the results should be much quicker.
Bradley, if you're taking feature suggestions, I'd like the ability to hide some labels but not others (especially the syllable/accent stuff).
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I've noted your feature request for this.
Thank you, Bradley.
Mark Barnes said:Having it update on "Click" rather than "Hover" (click the down arrow next to its tab).
Thank you, Mark. I already have the informaiton panel set to "Click"
Mark Barnes said:Removing or minimising sections, or parts of sections, you don't need. To do the former click on the X in the section heading. Or hover over the heading for settings, and remove the parts you don't want.
I have already removed 4 sections.
Mark Barnes said:You'll also find that the first time you bring up the information panel it might be a little slow, but if you leave it open then next time you click on a word the results should be much quicker.
I always have the info panel open - too much valuable information there - I don't want to miss any
The speed of the info panel is not a serious problem for me on my computer, but I do see it taking longer to populate as the amount of valuable information increases through Faithlife's continued development of powerful tools and resources in Logos.
Thank you again, Mark and Bradley, for your help.
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Mark Barnes said:
Bradley, if you're taking feature suggestions, I'd like the ability to hide some labels but not others (especially the syllable/accent stuff).
Splitting some "Other References" section items into their own Information sections would be appreciated (can choose what to expand/collapse)
- Discourse References (could include Semantic and Genre)
- Factbook References (Events, People, Places, ...)
- Figurative References (includes Figures of Speech)
- Intertext References
- Language References (Cantilation, Accent, Syllables)
John 1:1 currently has 21 Intertext References so may want to consider Intertext Corpus Reference sections.
Related idea is Right Click context menu excluding collapsed Information Tool sections.
Current contextual menu configuration to show everything is a bit too much, especially for seldom used items.
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