Library Search Extensions in 7.15 Beta 2
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Mark Barnes said:
Lots of us would love to get our hands on data like that. I think it will come — eventually. The Bible Browser and Morph Query is one example of recent improvements in better integrating different datasets and provided tools for us to use them. But I agree, there's a long way to go.
I've thought about using the print function to output to HTML/docx and then parsed the data there. But printing is also quite handicapped (designed against piracy again) to output full book, let alone full library. But looking e.g. at the HTML output from reverse interlinear the result is so presentational making it not much of a value and difficult to parse. And also much of the underlying info is lost in printing.
The only way to truly liberate the datasets we "owned" is to have access to the source. But DRM make this a no go. I kind of hoped some sort of API can communicate with Logos to obtain this. But it doesn't seem to do that. (And obviously they have no plan to improve on this regard either.)
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Armin said:
Reading through this thread, Gal 5:22 came to my mind. I hope we can display these fruits also in the way we communicate on the Forum.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Feeling is mutual.
c.f. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx
Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together.
If people reflect on this, may be they will find out discussing in the Logos forum doesn’t feel like “sitting in your living room together.”
There’s often so much friction to discuss something here. The forum policing thing is the worst experience because there’s no clear, unambiguous guidelines and every now and then people like to volunteer to judge. But often time if no one is judging the on-going conversation should have settled by themselves. (This is the part that doesn’t feel like a living room, more like undercover cops surrounding you and prepare to engage any time.)
Another problem is people can be subjective here. Even one MVP who keeps reminding people to welcome each other, not insulting one group or another is quite subjective. This is another point where it doesn’t feel like “sitting in your living room together”. It is as if everyone here is to give a political speech and anything nor politically correct is, well, corrected.
However I digress. And I’m not ready to open a thread discussing this. It is a cultural problem in this forum and unfortunately some long time Logos forum members might have set the culture and it is hard to change. And I also don’t think anyone starting any thread like this are going to help. They will just be another guy trying to dictate something. The best way is just for everyone to stop judging, and don’t reply at all to those who judge (difficult to do.)
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Kolen Cheung said:
unfortunately some long time Logos forum members might have set the culture and it is hard to change
Actually, the forums have changed their culture dramatically over the past view years - for the better, the much better. Those who remember the past are the most apt to follow the last guideline ... even when it annoys those who are pushing the boundaries of 1, 2, or 3.
Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Please abide by the following guidelines as you interact on our forums.
- Please keep your discussions focused on Logos Bible Software: our software, products, websites, company, tools, etc.
- Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics. Use one of the many web forums intended for these kinds of discussions.
- Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together.
- Please do not use our forums to
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Thank you for your cooperation. Enjoy discussing and learning about Logos Bible Software.
Also remember that people have history on the forums that is not readily apparent when you first become active. Examples:
- one individual with serious health issues sometimes had his judgment impaired by his medications ... when he was obviously impaired, I would tell him to "go mow the lawn" - a private joke between us that also told him to wait a bit and be sure his judgment had returned to normal
- one individual who would provide long dissertations on his neglected denomination and "demand" resources. His wife told us he had brain damage from a stroke and asked us to indulge his behavior for the sake of the man he had been and for the sake of allowing him to continue to feel part of the community
- one individual who was loudly, virulently anti-Catholic and insisted it was his God-given right to use the forums as a platform. His website was tracked down from one of his guest speaking engagements and the issue was turned over to Faithlife. He dropped off the radar.
- a couple of individuals who are valuable to the community for their suggestions and tips, who get people's dander up quite often ... but they've been around long enough that we know it doesn't escalate ... it's just they're inept socially.
It may look "subjective" and there certainly is an element of subjectivity in determining whether a thread is heading downhill fast or whether the participants will right it themselves. But remember there is history you are unaware of which may be a major factor.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The forum I remembered in the past felt better. But I might have a wrong impression.
But in the recent “incidents“ I think what I saw is that issue hasn’t “gone downhill“ fast enough for anyone to try stopping them. They might have a sense of wrong direction, but people might intervene too early, often just to make the arguments getting much worse. I think we should give people the benefit of doubts and let them continue the discussions and If they have any wrong they might sensed it themselves and even apologized. Only had it becomes out of control someone with authority should help settling it.
It is that living room analogy again, if one see some kids start misbehaving should they intervene immediately to maintain a "nice and warm" living room or just observe and let them play a bit and might be they will turns out be ok. In a living room where "guardian" is everywhere one might just feel too uncomfortable to speak up and leave the room.
On one hand no one want to see another got humiliated in the forum. But rather than hoping everyone be humble and nice to each other, may be we should remind ourselves we all can take a bit of humiliation through which we learn humbleness. It might be sad to see people argues here, the very people deeply interested in God's word, and yet we don't see oneness in them. But on the other hand I think it is too harsh a requirement on Logos forum, that even "singly denominated" church cannot achieve that (ie I'm certain most of you have seen how some argument within a church torn them apart.)
P.S. I think by far the rudeness way to intervene is to throw a verse and said nothing else. It is like they don't even bother to help but to judge, and by quoting the almighty Word they automatically win the argument because that can't be wrong. Regardless if this is really the intention of the one who intervene is, I think it is just a reminder that may be people shouldn't intervene in the first place. I think if they really believe in the Word got to have some faith in the Word inside them, put a little faith in the people who's in a conversation that both parties can figure it out themselves.
Another reason not to intervene is something can be learnt from an argument, sometimes. Like in a thread one is starting to argue something about evolution and you can see one side is trying to be neutral, intellectual, and while they haven't won the argument they definitely has shred lights on the matter that some others didn't know. And through an argument sometimes one see a side that one normally don't think exist and may be both got their eyes opened a bit more. (I certainly got my eye opened on seeing some "superstitious" Christians here. Same Bible but all those different Bible readers.)
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I stand by the guidelines.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I stand by the guidelines.
The guidelines are up to interpretation though. I don’t quite see how that guidelines can really guide anything honestly because it is quite ambiguous. And often time it is self contradictory (one might emphasized too much on the last point so that another point about being like a living room is not realized, which is my point above. This is certainly a very uncomfortable living room for one to be in.)
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By the way, people are using the Faithlife social network to do things not allowed from the forum such as posting promo codes or selling things, etc. I think it will be very interesting to replace the forum by using Faithlife groups so that non of these forum guidelines has to be obeyed (Not that it has much constraining power given the ambiguity.) Eg some subreddit exists for theological debates or strictly academic (think non-believers) biblical discussions, etc. I love to see them in the Faithlife social network, essentially a playground for taboos in Logos forum (theological debate is fun and edifying, just that it might not be “politically correct” in the form of a supporting forum.)
it will also be a great place for those off topic posts here which technically is violating the forum guidelines. Those off topic posts are an example that people in the community really need something normally disallowed in the forums.
PS typing in Logos forum on iPhone is so tiny. it wasn‘t designed responsively where each letter is as small as an ant. Logos forum experience on the mobile is just painful where the Faithlife version has a native web-ish app which is much nicer. Sadly it doesn’t replace the Logos forum yet. I opened a group on Faithlife called Logos forum unofficial and may be people should start chatting there to have a more living room like experience.
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