I would really like to see this become a reality for those of us who witness to Mormons. We could use this to take notes, write articles, etc.
Do you mean this one? https://www.logos.com/product/16021/mormon-studies-collection
One BIG problem with that collection is that all the resources are OLD [1921 being the newest one]
They have had many "Prophets" [we would call them Presidents] since then.
try https://www.lds.org/ if you want to know about what they preach today. The have a free library app
And welcome to the forums
Reading Out of Zion at the moment. I picked it up on sale this week. Very enlightening and even in this book the writer speaks if changes in ruling during their lifetime of what was and was not considered appropriate behaviour for a Mormon. So I understand what you are saying here David.
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/184919/out-of-zion-meeting-jesus-in-the-shadow-of-the-mormon-temple
I’ve read about half of the book so far and would recommend it for someone who wanted a former Mormons perspective of growing up in the organisation and the struggle they went through to break free as they were exposed to the truth of the scriptures.
break free as they were exposed to the truth of the scriptures.
Laying out the bait, right? Good work.
More seriously, I was hoping Ben put together the modern collection regarding Latter Day Saints. Unless I missed it.
You mean this one? https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88557.aspx
I have little hope of ever seeing any of those books, let alone a good collection. Logos' users are far too oriented towards the $1.99 counter-cult triumphalist "exposing Mormons to the truth of scripture" narrative than actual academic religious work; it would simply never sell. Although it might bring far more LDS to Logos, but that would be another problem for those who get upset at Logos selling books that don't reflect the One True Orthodoxy, whether that's Catholic material or NT Wright or, heaven forbid, academic material written by actual Latter-day Saints trained in Bible, religious studies, etc.
Oopsy-doopsy. You're right. Illustrates how brains (mine) store things ... not very good.
I run into BYU (most identifiable) regularly (geology work, and Biblical). A sample of one (me), the work is always tops ... I put it in the same arena as the Pontifical work. Predictably excellent.
But as I've opined before, a declining market translates to increased dependence on popular, to keep the FL staff employed. My order for Cohen's akkadian companion is dragging its heels. I'm hoping a winner, but doubt it'd ever show in Logos. The hebrew/akkadian volume is fine, but frustrating.
https://www.amazon.com/English-Akkadian-Companion-Assyrian-Dictionaries/dp/1934309362
More seriously, I was hoping Ben put together the modern collection regarding Latter Day Saints. Unless I missed it. You mean this one? https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88557.aspx I have little hope of ever seeing any of those books, let alone a good collection. Logos' users are far too oriented towards the $1.99 counter-cult triumphalist "exposing Mormons to the truth of scripture" narrative than actual academic religious work; it would simply never sell. Although it might bring far more LDS to Logos, but that would be another problem for those who get upset at Logos selling books that don't reflect the One True Orthodoxy, whether that's Catholic material or NT Wright or, heaven forbid, academic material written by actual Latter-day Saints trained in Bible, religious studies, etc.
personally, I’d prefer a collection that accurately and in context portrays what Mormons believe. (Just like I prefer that for other religions beliefs… it’s important to know what is really believed, not what others claim they believe). I was disappointed when I learned that the CP collection wouldn’t provide that.
Not sure what bait I am supposedly laying out. I was simply reading a book this week I found interesting, was interested if anyone had attempted to create a personal book version of the Book of Mormon, as I didn't think Logos carried in their catalogue, came across this post and related from this post to what I was reading about the changing nature of Morman faith so made a comment and pointed out the book in case it was of interest to anyone else.
If that's 'baiting' then I am such a pro at it that I can do it subconsciously without evening knowing my own intentions to do so.
break free as they were exposed to the truth of the scriptures. Laying out the bait, right? Good work. More seriously, I was hoping Ben put together the modern collection regarding Latter Day Saints. Unless I missed it.
Having encountered Harvest House with their innacurate anti-Catholic books, I also would be wary about their polemical works about other religions. Maybe that’s only a small % of their catalog, but I see it as a strike against them.
(hope I haven’t misunderstood your point here)
break free as they were exposed to the truth of the scriptures. Laying out the bait, right? Good work. More seriously, I was hoping Ben put together the modern collection regarding Latter Day Saints. Unless I missed it. Having encountered Harvest House with their innacurate anti-Catholic books, I also would be wary about their polemical works about other religions. Maybe that’s only a small % of their catalog, but I see it as a strike against them. (hope I haven’t misunderstood your point here)
I am not Catholic or Pentecostal / Charismatic or former Mormon for that matter. So don't have any ponies in the race you want to run. But is not written by someone outside of the Mormon church giving their opinion on what they think they believe the Mormon Church believes and providing a polemic against those assumed beliefs. The book is a personal testimony of someone who came out of the Mormon Church, who talks about the impact their teachings had on their life, the hold it had on their life, the struggle to break free from that, and the struggle to grasp the truth of God against all the lies the had been indoctrinate with over their formative years, the struggle to know the truth of God's love for them and the impact breaking away had on their family relationships while all of this was happenings and afterwards..
It's quite sad that you would determine to hold a prejudice against the author's ability to be truthful about their own experiences and publicly suggest on these forums they are not being honest, particularly without even had read the book all because you have been offended by what was said in other books by different authors from the same publishing house, even worse when you admit "Maybe that’s only a small % of their catalog" - so was it 1 or 2 books you read of theirs that offended you and you are now projecting that offense onto all that they publish?
At this point feel free to quote a Latin phrase.
Not sure what bait I am supposedly laying out.
I've bolded it below:
In other words, independently of your intention(s), you just called Mormonism false and even dangerous. That read to DMB as if it were potentially baiting Mormons.
To me, it read as taking a controversial theological position and accidentally phrasing it in a way liable to insult Mormon readers. Again, how it read to me and how you intended it are not necessarily closely related.
I was simply summarising what the author of the book was saying. If one cannot do that for fear offending someone then FL needs to ban reviews on their website and the forums. And then we should all pack our bags and go live in the dessert on our own just to make sure we don’t offend someone.
I do appreciate your giving your perspective all the same even if I disagree with your view that I ‘accidentally’ was offensive. Just as well Jesus doesn’t frequent these forums as he would be more than accidentally offensive. He never let the truth be extinguished by the fear of offending someone.
Not sure what bait I am supposedly laying out. I've bolded it below: I’ve read about half of the book so far and would recommend it for someone who wanted a former Mormons perspective of growing up in the organisation and the struggle they went through to break free as they were exposed to the truth of the scriptures. In other words, independently of your intention(s), you just called Mormonism false and even dangerous. That read to DMB as if it were potentially baiting Mormons. To me, it read as taking a controversial theological position and accidentally phrasing it in a way liable to insult Mormon readers. Again, how it read to me and how you intended it are not necessarily closely related.
I was simply summarising what the author of the book was saying
Your wording does not make that obvious.
I stand by what I wrote. There was nothing offensive about it. I wrote the truth of what the book is about. The only people who seem to be offended are the usual people I seem to offend. Maybe the problem is those who want to suggest I was baiting people or being offensive lies within those people and possibly the fact they haven’t read the book.
Hope you have a great weekend MJ, mine is starting as I travel home from work on Friday afternoon. I should get back to the my current reading before my bus arrIves at its destination. So God bless you. Lovely chat.
I was simply summarising what the author of the book was saying Your wording does not make that obvious.
Having encountered Harvest House with their innacurate anti-Catholic books, I also would be wary about their polemical works about other religions. Maybe that’s only a small % of their catalog, but I see it as a strike against them. (hope I haven’t misunderstood your point here)
I was pondering whether a section on logic resources might be beneficial. It might help the would be apologist avoid errors in making a defense.
David you certainly could do with some training....you seem to think applying a generalization to all books produced by a publishing house on a certain topic area, in this case other religions, based on your offense is good practice. You haven't back up your claims with any evidence, but simply projected your offense onto another work which you have not read. And even if you concerns about another book are valid it still does not warrant you projecting those issues onto another book you have not read.
Yet some want to chip me for giving a summary of what that same book is about in response to your un-factual statements about it while letting your comments slide. Unlike them who wanted to speculate on the intent of my comment, I won't speculate on the intent of their actions.
Anyway David hope you have a good weekend. Praying God's blessings upon you.
Having encountered Harvest House with their innacurate anti-Catholic books, I also would be wary about their polemical works about other religions. Maybe that’s only a small % of their catalog, but I see it as a strike against them. (hope I haven’t misunderstood your point here) I was pondering whether a section on logic resources might be beneficial. It might help the would be apologist avoid errors in making a defense. David you certainly could do with some training....you seem to think applying a generalization to all books produced by a publishing house on a certain topic area, in this case other religions, based on your offense is good practice. You haven't back up your claims with any evidence, but simply projected your offense onto another work which you have not read. And even if you concerns about another book are valid it still does not warrant you projecting those issues onto another book you have not read. Yet some want to chip me for giving a summary of what that same book is about in response to your un-factual statements about it while letting your comments slide. Unlike them who wanted to speculate on the intent of my comment, I won't speculate on the intent of their actions. Anyway David hope you have a good weekend. Praying God's blessings upon you.
At this point, you’re behaving like a troll. Your cross-thread attacks are getting tiresome and go well beyond disagreement. If you had responded in a respectful manner, I might have given you a further explanation. But I don’t think you want one. You just appear to want a fight. So, I don’t think I’ll be responding to you anymore.
At this point, you’re behaving like a troll. Your cross-thread attacks are getting tiresome and go well beyond disagreement.
David I am not looking for a fight. I simply posted your words from another thread to keep this discussion within this thread so as not to take that thread off on an tangent.
If you had responded in a respectful manner, I might have given you a further explanation.
No disrespect was meant to you by my post. David if your own words pointed out to you have cut to the bone that is an issue of your pride. I have waited and given you plenty of time to give further explanation as to how you can justify your comments about a book you haven't read by a completely different author.
But if you do feel disrespect then maybe you should consider the disrespect you showed this author about this book. Thankfully they will probably never read your comments. Hopefully if they did they would not take it in the personal way you have taken my words.
You just appear to want a fight.
Another generalization and assumption drawn out of your offense and pride for being challenged by the way you spoke about this book with no experience of it. Your own words and where they are coming from at this point in time should be biggest concern here.
So, I don’t think I’ll be responding to you anymore.
In one sense its probably better that you don't' since all you have in your heart towards me is to say is
you’re behaving like a troll
Personally if you or anyone else wants to call me a troll because what I say makes them feel uneasy, that is their problem. If they have spoken out of turn, I'll re-affirm why I believe they have spoken out of turn, as I have done here with you David and leave it with them. But David I won't be as petty as to say
God bless you David.
FYI - the train has jumped the track in this thread
FYI - you were a participant in that MJ. Time and again I have seen you chip people for making comments about books they have not read yet in this instance you are completely ignoring David’s behaviour. You were more interested in chipping me for a review I gave of the book accusing me of intent I never had and all without you even having read the book. Try to wipe your hands all you want, fact is they are dripping with you ignoring the rules you want everyone else to adhere too, and you are allowing someone else to get away with your ignoring those rules for reasons only you know.
So you have no shred of credibility to come in now with your statement the thread has jumped tracks, making out you are the innocent voice of reason on these forum. You could of nipped this in the bud by saying something about David’s behaviour but choose instead to allow it to stand while having a go at someone who had actually read the book and so was making a comment based on the books content.
That's enough. When a thread has more posts about who-said-what than about the topic of the original post, it has outlived its usefulness.
