Prichards Ancient Near Eastern Texts
I just noticed that in the L4 digital edition of Prichards ANET the index of Biblical texts is missing while it is INCLUDED in the same edition of the paper edition. anyone else?
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ton verdam said:
I just noticed that in the L4 digital edition of Prichards ANET the index of Biblical texts is missing while it is INCLUDED in the same edition of the paper edition. anyone else?
I don't have the L4 edition of ANET, but I think in general Logos versions of books leave out the index of Biblical texts since you can search the book for a particular Bible reference. That is to say, indexes are not needed in Logos books for English phrases, topics, or Biblical references because the whole resource is searchable for these things.
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Clay Brisbois said:
That is to say, indexes are not needed in Logos books for English phrases, topics, or Biblical references because the whole resource is searchable for these things.
I think you are right but I do miss my normal workflow that scans the index to see if it is worth searching the book.
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usually it is. But NOT in this case. I see no hyperlinked references to bibletext troughout the text.
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ton verdam said:
usually it is. But NOT in this case. I see no hyperlinked references to bibletext troughout the text.
There are very few, but I found one on p. 553 (Gen. 37:28,36), another on p. 623 (Gen. 11:26), etc.
This is a book, however, where a replication of the print-based index would be useful, because the print-based index includes not only explicit references in the text but also Bible verses that the authors considered to be parallels to the Ancient Near Eastern Texts being translated.
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Yes, my case is: the index of biblical references is in the paper edition and should be in the digital one. That is why I bought it in the first place because of this index which makes it a typical LOGOS feature for searching the relationship OT and ANET.
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I received this email on my complaint. I know about the cited by tool but in this case it will not work. I find this unacceptable...
Dear ,
Thank you for contacting Logos Customer Support. The Indexes are removed from our electronic resources and replaced with search tool that is very efficient in electronic form. This tool is the ‘Cited By’ tool. You may find this attached link for the tutorial video helpful in further explaining this tool.
http://www.logos.com/videos - Look for the video title ‘Cited By Tool’
If you have additional questions or concerns, or feel this feature is not to your preference, I will be more than happy to assist you.
Sincerely,
Logos Support Dept.
800-875-6467|360-527-1700
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ton verdam said:
I received this email on my complaint. I know about the cited by tool but in this case it will not work. I find this unacceptable...
You need to write back to her and explain that the index on this resource is different from typical Scripture Reference Indexes and that they need to put it back in because it serves a purpose that the Cited By Tool cannot serve. And cite this thread.
Thanks for taking on this cause!
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This suggestion will be submitted for consideration. Thank you.
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Thank you all.! This forum really DOES work.
Looking forward to the update.
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ton verdam said:
usually it is. But NOT in this case. I see no hyperlinked references to bibletext troughout the text.
That is disappointing; it would be nice if each translation at least had a footnote with the corresponding Bible references. I don't suppose you have the Context of Scripture? It has bountiful scripture references, and I think you could create a link set between the two to scroll them both at the same time. Not sure how the editors' choices match up with those of Pritchard, though.
Perhaps you can add a note to ANET with a link to the Amazon page with Look Inside capability: http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Eastern-Relating-Testament-Supplement/dp/0691035032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274302903&sr=1-1
You can jump right to the Index and view the first several pages, or you can search for the Old Testament book name and it will give you the surrounding pages.
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Any news on the index of Prichards ANET? Is there an update yet?
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Talk about buyers remorse. The facts that there are no Scripture indexes in ANET and the Logos 5 "Cite" feature is useless for this volume means that I have a reference book that I cannot reference. This was a horrible investment. I hope that there is some way to get my money back or credit system available. I hope all the reference works are not this un-usable in Logos, it kinda defeats the purpose.
Do you have any suggestions? I've got a paper coming due. I need to use this resource.
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Talk about buyers remorse. The facts that there are no Scripture indexes in ANET and the Logos 5 "Cite" feature is useless for this volume means that I have a reference book that I cannot reference. This was a horrible investment. I hope that there is some way to get my money back or credit system available. I hope all the reference works are not this un-usable in Logos, it kinda defeats the purpose.
Do you have any suggestions? I've got a paper coming due. I need to use this resource.
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Joe Whiting said:
I hope that there is some way to get my money back
I do not own this resource so I will limit my comment to what I think that I can be helpful with. If you find this purchase to be a mistake, you can return it for a full refund if you purchased the resource within the 30 day limit.
Amazon lists this book for rental for $47.08.
Before you return the Logos resource you may want to pose a more specific question as to what you are attempting to achieve. You may not be using the features correctly.
Are you using Logos 4 or 5? It may be helpful to your cause to generate a separate post.
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Thank you for your reply.
1. I'm using Logos 5
2. I'm not sure how to make a separate post.
3. I need to access the Scripture index in order to see what/which extra-biblical literature parallels a passage that I am working on (extra-biblical contextual analysis). This seems impossible since the electronic ed has no index, nor any Scripture references within the body of the book.
Joseph
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I see. It appears that there have been known issues with the inadequacies of this resource going back to 2010 as it seems you are aware. Your area of study is beyond my ken.
With that said I do not see that you can resolve your issues as the trouble seems to be with the resource. Call your favorite sale representative and return it for a full refund and get the paper version.
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That sounds like some good advice. Thank you. Now I know to check the forums before I by certain kinds of resources.
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BTW, should you have any trouble returning it, it may help to reference this thread. Welcome to the forums.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Joe ... maybe I'm not understanding your issue correctly.
Below is a screen print.
On the top-left is ANET and a series of Bible references.
On the top-right, I have a power-lookup that's checking those references in ANETOn the btm-left I have NET turned to that specific reference
On the btm-right, I have a CitedBy linked to ANET and following my NET BibleIsn't that what you're expecting? It seems to work pretty well.
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."If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Peace, Joe! And Every Blessing!Joe Whiting said:That sounds like some good advice. Thank you. Now I know to check the forums before I by certain kinds of resources.
If DMB is correct, perhaps you should change your negative review of the resource at Logos.com; since that wouldn't truly be right and fair to Logos! I don't own this resource; however, what Denise has done seems to take care of your problem with this resource.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
what Denise has done seems to take care of your problem with this resource.
I had an early suspicion that Joe's issue was driven by a lack of familiarity with the program. Denise, I had hoped that one of the power users with this resource would have chimed in. Alas, I do believe Joe has stopped following his post and is now determined to follow my suggestion to return the resource.
I feel responsible as lacking clear information I was unable to pinpoint Joe's problem. Thanks Denise (extract foot from mouth). Milford I do agree that we should make sure that we don't further dismay future purchasers of this product. Looks very interesting.
I would appreciate it if someone would cover my post in the hopes that curiosity will bring Joe back to the thread to discover the post by DMB.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Praise God, Beloved, for the Good Heart He has given you!
When I get back home soon to snowy Ontario Canada, leaving behind this Caribbean Paradise to my daughter, I will send an e-mail to someone at Logos ............ perhaps they will even notice this thread ........ will try to remember, to remember, to remember ... *smile* Peace and Joy!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Beloved ... keep your foot in your shoe! (Smile). When I first looked at the question, the indices on the resource do 'look' like 'no can do'. I check on the Libronix side which is easier to read, and there were several Bible datasets.
So then I tried to see if Power-Man would pick up refs in ANET, which it did.
But that's where the confusion arrives. Inside the 'Cited By' you have to hook it to the resource (and if you've received your power-training, you'll know ahead of time to either tag or 'collection' the resource). Because if you missed that tiny step, it's downhill from there.
The Cited By menu inside the resource settings is all mixed up, even if you've never resorted it. As you painfully scroll page after page squinting at the tiny writing, and get to the bottom, only to start over ... well you get the idea.
I don't know why 'sorts' are so hard for Logos developers. Or better yet a small filter box would be even better.
But I'm not surprised at Joe's frustration. I hope he comes back, because ANET is really quite good.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Still here. I was busy working. I need to take some time (Monday) and review yall's replies. If I am indeed wrong I have no issue recanting. Thank you all for your feedback.
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DMB, if you are willing to educate me and if ANET is workable on Logos 5, I'd be SO releived. My paper is coming due soon. Maybe you can walk me through what you've posted? I'll be available Mon, Wed, or Fri. I'll post my email below if you are willing. Its all one word but I'm using hyphens...
joe-trainer-31-@-yahoo
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Joe ... I'll walk your thru here. Almost inevitably there's others with the exact same question, even 3 years from now.
1. In your library find ANET and either tag it, or put it in a collection. If you're not familiar with collections, it's easier to just tag it. You open the info screen in your library, go down below the description of ANET, and type in a tag that you can remember in the next step.
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.2. Just for simplicity open up a favorite Bible (NET below), and a Cited By panel (Tools > Cited By). When first open a cited by panel, it'll be empty. However after you do some, it populates it with any that you've done before (for convenience). Since you can have multiple Cited By panels if you want, you can remove any previous cited-by's in the next step.
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.3. On the Cited By panel, click on the huge double-quote marks (normally the book cover). It will look like the image below. You can attached your Cited By to follow any resource you're reading (select 'Follow') or you can directly link the Cited By panel to your Bible (original example yesterday, you'll see I linked it, so it wouldn't jump around everytime I clicked on another resource I was using).
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.4. Now on that same Cited By Panel, go down to the miniature menu and you'll see a whole bunch of collections, resources and tagged resources. Here you'll have to put your eye-shades and FIND the ANET resource you tagged (look for the tag name or the collection name). In the image below, I keep both ANET and COS with the same tag). Whenever you find it (!), check it as I did.
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.OK. That should be it. Now just to test, go to your Bible and type in 1 Chron 32.30. (the earlier example). Your Cited By should list several references in your ANET.
Now, if this doesn't work, just reply; I typically check back whenever I'm on the internet for other reasons, and will assist further if needed!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Peace to all! *smile*
"Hear Ye! Hear Ye!"
Denise is herewith granted the illustrious title ..... Power User! Congratulations and GodSpeed! *smile*
In order to gain the attention of the crowd, the crier would yell, "Hear ye" - "Oyez".
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Chester records of 1540 show fees due to the bellman included 'of every worshipful gentyllman that goyth onye gounes at ther buryall ...one goune [at funerals gowns would be given to mourners]. when he gythe or aneything that is lost ...jd [one penny]. for every bote lode with powder mellwylle [salted fish] ...one fyshe, for every boute lode with fresh fyshe that he goeth for ...jd [one penny].' In 1556 a record shows 'To ye belman for p'claimyng ye Founder's dyryge 27 Januarij ...ijd [two pence on Henry VIII's death, the founder of the King's School].
A 1701 will of the vicar at Waverton stated that notice was to be given 'by the Belman to the People of Chester, of the time when, and the place where my Corpse is to be buried'
In 1620, there was a fight at the Chester cross between the butchers and the bakers where the 'Cryer brake his Mace in peeces Amonge them'. In 1607, one public notice read by George Tunnall, the bellman, forbade tipping rubbish in the river. In 1715, a local man recorded that the 'Belman at the Cross ... Reads publicly a proclamation in the Mayor's name, commanding all persons in the City to be of peaceable and civil behaviour, not to walk around the Streets or Rows at unreasonable hours of night'. Chester once had a crier, a day bellman and a night bellman but in 1734, John Posnitt took over as 'Day and Night Bellman'.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford, you've mis-identified the culprit. I have a secret camera above Dave's PC in Australia. Everytime he reads one of my 'fixes', he shakes his head sadly, mumbes 'not again ...', and then proceeds to try to undo the damage!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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This seems to be what I'm looking for. I want to be able to have a text (e.g. Psalm 33), and reference ANET for any extra-biblical parallels. If I'm understanding your screen shot it looks like what I'm hoping for. Am I understanding your screen shot correctly? If so, I could use some help to reproduce this kind of result -if you're willing.
Joe
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I haven't gone back and checked Psa 33 in ANET, but yes, if there's scriptural side references in ANET to Psa 33, then the Cited By would pick it up. Up above is a step-by-step for doing this with ANET. Try it out and see if it works. Once you get the 'hang' of Cited By, it's quite powerful.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I haven't gone back and checked Psa 33 in ANET, but yes, if there's scriptural side references in ANET to Psa 33, then the Cited By would pick it up.
Denise,
My given name is Allan but on this site I will prefer my pseudonym Beloved. David whose name in the Hebrew means beloved is one of my most favorite biblical heroes. I particularly have drawn strength for the journey from his psalms.
Well now anyway, to the point. Your posts have been helpful, however, I now have a little more insight into the question Joe has actually reintroduced regarding this resource. I purchased this resource for the express purpose of well, getting to the bottom of this query.
Rosie's post is incisive
Rosie said:This is a book, however, where a replication of the print-based index would be useful, because the print-based index includes not only explicit references in the text but also Bible verses that the authors considered to be parallels to the Ancient Near Eastern Texts being translated.
After investigating this matter more closely I must say I most heartily agree. The absence of this critical index is a great misfortune. Much useful information is lost, to the degrading of the usefulness of this fine piece of scholarship.
The restoration of this information is in my view very important. Seeing that this problem was first identified 5/17/2010 by Ton Verdam
Ton Verdam said:I just noticed that in the L4 digital edition of Prichards ANET the index of Biblical texts is missing while it is INCLUDED in the same edition of the paper edition.
The index references biblical quotes not found in the main body of the text and they are essential and revealing in their own right. We must push to have this index restored to this work. The consequence is that the power of the bible to focus its light on the text will continue to be lost.
Finally, Joe is right in his being critical of this resource. The restoration of the integrity of this resource is long overdue. Cited By does many things, but it cannot write an original index.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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I'll have to defer to your knowledge; I don't own the hardcopy. But this whole discussion is germaine to quite a number of resources. I wonder if Logos did the resource or it was 'Libronix'd'.
My participation was just in seeing if ANET had the datalinks to support the Cited By.
I guess 'the hardcopy people' need to argue it since I'm not sure the nature of what's missing (i.e. why the author didn't include it in the notes).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I guess 'the hardcopy people' need to argue it since I'm not sure the nature of what's missing
Friday I will take a trip to the Presbyterian library nearby to handle a hardcopy. I will let all know what I find. In addition I will reach out to Logos via my sales rep and see what I can turn up there.
Edit: Denise, take a look at Rosie's post that I referenced. She has a fragment of the hardcopy imaged and embedded in her post.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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This is a complex problem. Through brief examination today, I have come to one expected and another surprising conclusion. First, the surprise. ANET 3rd edition with Supplement are two separate volumes. The digital Logos edition is only representative of the main edition and does not include the supplement. Thus there is a cache of rich information we as result find ourselves lacking.
There are both type and photographic information in the supplement. Of course the purchaser of this resource familiar with the print version of this resource would sorely miss this information. Upon examination of this issue I hope Logos will afford themselves of the supplement and update this resource to bring into alignment the representations of the product information and the offered resource. I am convinced that Logos has made an honest mistake.
The 2nd conclusion has been previously presented. Anyone following this post will know that there exists an index that make bible references and page references that can be hyper-linked to the referred pages in the body of the text. A surprising addendum to this topic is that the supplement contains a so called "comprehensive index." Due to time restraint I was not able to carefully examine this index to see if there were any substantial differences between the two indexes. I will include a pdf that shows three images that support my work.
I will now provide commentary on the pdf. The first image represents an example of the index from ANET not from the supplement. The 2nd image is an extract from the catalogue of the plates in the supplement. The final image is an extract from the index to the supplement.
I suggest that Logos locate an edition of the supplement. And add the full content of this body of information to the content as represented in the product information; it does not have a ISBN#, but its' LC# is 78-76500. I also suggest that Logos restores the Index of Biblical References both in the main text and the supplement and provide hyper-links to the referenced pages and sub-locations as represented.
Happy customers will result. [:)]
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Good work, Beloved. That's interesting information.
I looked at the index you copied. Are you sure that was the index you wanted? I tried several of the references vs page numbers and they were there. Maybe the 'analog' index?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I looked at the index you copied. Are you sure that was the index you wanted?
The index I copied is taken from ANET sans the supplement. I now wish I had also copied the "comprehensive index" found in the supplement. I'm not sure at this juncture what relation exists between these indexes and the text. This was also something I could not establish due to time. I will revisit this text perhaps Mon.
One thing I was able to establish is that there is a conspicuous absence of supplemental content. And yes the extract of the index is representative of the information I and others would see restored to the resource.
If you have discovered a path to the information in the text please enlighten me.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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I didn't quite catch the meaning of your last sentence. Just as an example, in the pdf index, it has 2 Sam 1.20 and p425b. So indeed in our Logos ANET on p425 there's a reference to 2 Sam 1.3 near the bottom.
That's what I was trying to say. That pdf index is not likely the one Rosie was referring to?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I didn't quite catch the meaning of your last sentence.
Denise, I was simply acknowledging that you may have noticed something that I missed. And indeed once I put ANET in "reading view" the missing bible references appeared.
Now, the image Rosie displayed and the pdf index I referenced issue from the same source. And I'll prove it tomorrow. Must get to sleep. Way past my bedtime.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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I layout the texts of the two indexes. I list Rosie's first, as hers precedes mine on the timeline of these forum posts. With regards to my reproduction, in the area that Rosie entered highlight, I attempted to reproduce her highlight for emphasis.
These indexes are indeed taken from the same source, for as you can see the two texts agree and mine which appears below Rosie's, reproduces more information from the page. The arrows in my screenshot indicate where Rosie's highlight begins and ends.
The greater matter is just how much information the Logos resource is missing and how much it preserves. The answer to this question I will attempt to provide in the near future.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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I must first apologize for reporting misinformation about this resource. The supplement is wholly contained in ANET and is not missing from what Logos provides in its' offering. The volume I mentioned though identically bound and printed in the same year is not part of a single purchase of this work. It is desirable in its own right but should not be interpreted to be part of ANET despite the fact that it is referenced by the author, shares a similar name, physical appearance, authorship, year of printing, and publisher.
Now after much time and sifting I have reached the conclusion that the "Index of Biblical References" though cited in the "Contents of the Supplement," which appears after Part 10 of the first part of the the Logos revised ANET resource, has been omitted. The pages jump from 681 to 687 without any content being shown until page 687. On page 681 the heading "Indexes" appears after which there is again no content. Starting on Page 687 there begins what was previously referred to as the "Comprehensive Index" in the aforementioned "Contents of the Supplement" this is actually the "Index of Names."
It is my hope that Logos will soon update this resource and restore the missing content (the "Index of Biblical References") thus preserving the integrity of this resource.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Peace, Beloved! *smile*
It would be wonderful if Logos "took to heart" the information that you worked so hard to obtain for the benefit of all of us and for Logos itself! Well-Done, Dear Brother!
Indeed .... may they "heed" your wise and helpful words and take a good long and careful look at this matter ....
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
It would be wonderful if Logos "took to heart" the information that you worked so hard to obtain for the benefit of all of us and for Logos itself!
Issue duly addressed as promised by Bob. Textual issue resolved. Thanks very much Bob!
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Ok, so this is an update concerning ANET (4/17/13). A rep was nice enough to call me and let me know that they saw my complaint (and probably others as well), and are updating ANET so that it includes Scripture references in the back like the hard copy (this is critical for this kind of resource). I checked out my updated (as of today) ANET and it indeed does have the Scripture ref index! Good deal Logos.
However, there is one issue that remains. I tried the link to my particular passage (Ps 33:9). It took me to the exact page (big improvement), but on the page my reference was not listed like other references. Therefore, in this situation, one would need to read and do his best to come to a conclusion as to what exactly is being referenced in connection to said passage. This version is a big improvement over the old version, but if the one passage I tried did not display as other passages i'm left wondering how many others do not display. It seems that either I am missing something, or another update is in order. I'll certainly upgrade my rating of the resource, but i'm not so sure about keeping it at this point.
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Joe Whiting said:
However, there is one issue that remains. I tried the link to my particular passage (Ps 33:9). It took me to the exact page (big improvement), but on the page my reference was not listed like other references. Therefore, in this situation, one would need to read and do his best to come to a conclusion as to what exactly is being referenced in connection to said passage. This version is a big improvement over the old version, but if the one passage I tried did not display as other passages i'm left wondering how many others do not display. It seems that either I am missing something, or another update is in order. I'll certainly upgrade my rating of the resource, but i'm not so sure about keeping it at this point.
This was the case in the hard copy as well. The index shows you where (what pages) a passage is being referred to even if the reference is not particularly mentioned. If the reference wasn't mentioned, you would have had to read the whole page to figure out from context where that passage was being referred to. I wouldn't expect Logos to change the text of the book to insert the actual references (the publisher wouldn't allow that), or to do semantic interpretation of every page referenced in the index (which would be exceedingly time consuming), so that they can link you to the exact part of the page where the referral is made. I'm happy to have the digital version of this book function as well as the hard copy (actually better, because in the hard copy you would have to flip to the right page yourself manually, whereas now you can jump there with one click).
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Joe Whiting said:
there is one issue that remains. I tried the link to my particular passage (Ps 33:9). It took me to the exact page (big improvement), but on the page my reference was not listed like other references. Therefore, in this situation, one would need to read and do his best to come to a conclusion as to what exactly is being referenced in connection to said passage.
Hey Joe,
My library is indexing so I don't have access to my resource. My question to you is doesn't the referenced page in the ANET Biblical Index generate a pop-up on mouse-over? Educate me as to just exactly what function is absent in your view.
As you can readily see Logos is lead by a very tuned in CEO in Bob and he sets the tone for the rest of the organization. A reasonable concern will receive due diligence and a well voiced concern will receive undivided attention from the Logos team.
-Beloved
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Rosie Perera said:Joe Whiting said:
However, there is one issue that remains. I tried the link to my particular passage (Ps 33:9). It took me to the exact page (big improvement), but on the page my reference was not listed like other references. Therefore, in this situation, one would need to read and do his best to come to a conclusion as to what exactly is being referenced in connection to said passage. This version is a big improvement over the old version, but if the one passage I tried did not display as other passages i'm left wondering how many others do not display. It seems that either I am missing something, or another update is in order. I'll certainly upgrade my rating of the resource, but i'm not so sure about keeping it at this point.
This was the case in the hard copy as well. The index shows you where (what pages) a passage is being referred to even if the reference is not particularly mentioned. If the reference wasn't mentioned, you would have had to read the whole page to figure out from context where that passage was being referred to. I wouldn't expect Logos to change the text of the book to insert the actual references (the publisher wouldn't allow that), or to do semantic interpretation of every page referenced in the index (which would be exceedingly time consuming), so that they can link you to the exact part of the page where the referral is made. I'm happy to have the digital version of this book function as well as the hard copy (actually better, because in the hard copy you would have to flip to the right page yourself manually, whereas now you can jump there with one click).
Clarification:
The intro to the Index of Biblical References states: "According to the system of reference used here each column of the page of this book is divided into two halves: the first column of the page, into a and b; the second column, into c and d. When the biblical reference does not actually appear printed in a footnote or in an introduction to a translation, the reader must read the entire quarter of the page of text or annotation in order to judge what portion of it is intended as a possible parallel to the biblical citation."
So a correction to my earlier post -- you'd only have to read a quarter of the page in the the hard copy. In the Logos edition, it is hard to tell where the quarter page boundaries are, since there is no layout option that mimics the hard copy layout. So you might have to read the entire page to locate the parallel to the biblical citation.
I'd like to ask Joe Whiting what you meant by "the one passage I tried did not display as other passages." Could you give an example of a passage that did display as you expected it to? In my skimming through ANET, it looks like (counter to my previous post) there are not actually Scripture references in the text of the book itself, so the index is pointing only to biblical parallels in the Ancient Near Eastern Text (as judged by the author). So it's up to the reader to do the work of figuring out exactly what the author was referring to when he made that index. The hard copy book doesn't make it any clearer, so I wouldn't expect the Logos edition to remove that work from our plate.
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2 1/2 years later - YES!
Two and a half years and many complains later...
Logos comes with an update indeed, with the bible references....
[Y] Thank You Logos...
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