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This is being worked on and is coming in a future release.Don Randolph said:In Logos 7, I had set what would come up on the home page to items I utilized most. Now, I am seeing things from Proclaim Blog and other items I don't normally use. Is there a way to decide what will and won't come up on the home page in the "Explore" section?
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Mark Barnes said:
PS - Do you change your preferred Bible often?
Personally no, the last time I remember having to do this was because Logos lost my preference. Thing was then I knew how to find it, if it happened now I'd need to watch the video on using the library, not exactly intuitive.
Personally I'd say that the logical place for preferred Bible would be the Settings page but that's another story.
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John Fidel said:
Hi Graham,
The videos are not long, easy to follow and go step by step through some of the changes and set up. Give them a try and I think many of your concerns will be resolved. If you still find things difficult or frustrating post back.
My issue with this John is that as a 20 plus year user I really don't want to watch videos to do the basic things that I have always done.
Plus the fact is that I would never guess that if I want to change the preferred Bible I need to watch the library video. The preferred Bible has always had a special status in Logos and as far as I can remember has always been on the home page or its equivalent.
Videos might make sense for new users and for existing users exploring new features but for the basics I expect the transition from one release to another to be relatively easy, so far going from 7 to 8, in my opinion, has tripped me up a few times unnecessarily.
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Graham Owen said:John Fidel said:
Hi Graham,
The videos are not long, easy to follow and go step by step through some of the changes and set up. Give them a try and I think many of your concerns will be resolved. If you still find things difficult or frustrating post back.
My issue with this John is that as a 20 plus year user I really don't want to watch videos to do the basic things that I have always done.
Plus the fact is that I would never guess that if I want to change the preferred Bible I need to watch the library video. The preferred Bible has always had a special status in Logos and as far as I can remember has always been on the home page or its equivalent.
Videos might make sense for new users and for existing users exploring new features but for the basics I expect the transition from one release to another to be relatively easy, so far going from 7 to 8, in my opinion, has tripped me up a few times unnecessarily.
I usually change my Bible preferences using the prioritization menu.
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Mark Barnes said:
The "big picture" of what has changed is here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/173743.aspx
Thanks Mark
I read this before doing the upgrade, what this does not make clear is that there are some fundamental changes and that as a result somethings are missing.
I've been here before, history tends to repeat itself on the Logos, Faithlife journey, but back then I was involved in Beta testing so was aware of the known issues. Big difference being that I had some time to spare.
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Once again Logos has released software that is not ready for the end user and have made workflow changes that impact upon the way we use the software everyday. They only ask fanboys and girls to private beta test and so don’t get honest feedback on whether the software is ready. I used to be a private beta tester but the stopped asking me because I gave honest feedback about things like this and they did not want to hear it. They only want to hear from people who say yes, Bob, the software is great. Users shouldn’t have to be changing workflow and then have to change it again when 8.1 is released because the software was prematurely released. And if L8 is supposed to simply things why would you move the ability to changed preferred bibles from the home page or bury a link to a users account in the about page when it also used to be one click away in a visible position on the home page. Once again FL designers have forgotten the everydSh user with some of these backwards changes for the sake of change.
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Jesse Blevins said:
How do I switch from using the verbum platform over to Logos? We used to be able to do this in the command box.
I think it always worked only in the other direction: running the Logos platform and using the command Set Verbum to Yes to see it work like Verbum and Set Verbum to No to go back to original Logos-look. As far as I have seen, they work exactly like that in L8.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Hello Graham: I'm sorry you're frustrated and find workflow to be "broken." For me, I immediately was able to use it, and I'm definitely someone who struggles with this program. I love workflow. I found it very intuitive and I found it easy to modify, so maybe part of the concern is expectations of what the tool is meant to do.
I always found that with FL, if you present your frustrations in a clear manner with reasons, they will listen and seek to make changes that make their products better.
On the side, when I said click around for a couple of days, I didn't mean it from a perspective of necessity, but more for you to become familiar with the program's changes. Anytime a program upgrades, there are going to be functions that are changed that you don't like. I hope you see that the functions that you do like outweigh the former.
If not, you always have 30 days (I think that's the allotted time but don't quote me on it) to get your refund.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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NB.Mick said:Jesse Blevins said:
How do I switch from using the verbum platform over to Logos? We used to be able to do this in the command box.
I think it always worked only in the other direction: running the Logos platform and using the command Set Verbum to Yes to see it work like Verbum and Set Verbum to No to go back to original Logos-look. As far as I have seen, they work exactly like that in L8.
Thank you very much NB.Mick [:D]
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Jerome as an added step to David's instruction you can add the "Your Account" to your 'Shortcuts" on the "Home Page" by "click and holding" your left mouse button on the "Your account" link then drag it from the help menu to the "Home Page" dropping it on the "Shortcuts" bar. You will have to rename it to something like "My Account" and give it a unique icon (also select the "Show label" option). This is a workaround so you won't have to go to the help menu every time you want to quickly jump to your Faithlife account.
David Taylor Jr said:Jerome Smith said:In Logos 7 I could access "My Account" from the home page.
I have spent some time looking for that feature and cannot find it in Logos 8.I suggest that access be placed where it has always been in the upper right-hand corner of the home page screen or at least be listed in the drop-down menu under those three vertical dots.
If there is a way to access "My Account" already, I hope someone can share how to do it in Logos 8.
Click on the dot menu on the right side of the screen then click "About Logos" There you will see the following:
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Hello Graham: I'm sorry you're frustrated and find workflow to be "broken." .
I always found that with FL, if you present your frustrations in a clear manner with reasons, they will listen and seek to make changes that make their products better.
when I said click around for a couple of days, I didn't mean it from a perspective of necessity, but more for you to become familiar with the program's changes.
No need to apologise Cynthia
After 20 plus years I know Faithlife's strengths really well, sadly I also know their weaknesses. I have every expectation that they will get this right, I just don't appreciate being told "known issue" "future release" or its not broken because you do it this less intuitive way and you need to watch the video.
Faithlife are where they are today because of long term users who have invested and continue to invest we don't mind new we just don't want broken or missing.
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The Home Page has changed the definition of the meaning of the "Saints" section/card. Mind you, the change of meaning doesn't bother me per se ... but the loss of functionality does.
In L7, the sidebar "Saints" was intended solely for the calendar of saints celebrated by a particular church - a short list for Anglicans and Lutherans had their calendars ever been build. The meaning has been changed to be all saints recognized by a particular church/resource.
That may sound picky but the new meaning assumes that the resource is designed in calendar order where the main driving resource in L7 is in alphabetical order. This difference makes it so one no longer sees the multiple saints that may be assigned to a date and that "next" is a meaningless next saint alphabetically.
The new definition of "saints" has distinct advantages for adding additional church calendars which I will try shortly. But it does require a new edition of Saints. Bellingham, WA: Verbum, 2013. that is in calendar order rather than alphabetical.
Required actions for Faithlife to clean this up:- Saints card must have calendar function
- "Next" must be limited by date OR multiple saints shown for the date
- the resource "Saint" must be revised to work with the new definition of the function of the Saint card/section
In the next few days, I'll build the equivalent to "Saints" for another denomination to see if other issues appear.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Noel Bomar said:
you can add the "Your Account" to your 'Shortcuts" on the "Home Page" by "click and holding" your left mouse button on the "Your account" link then drag it from the help menu to the "Home Page" dropping it on the "Shortcuts" bar.
After you open the webpage in your browser, you can even drag the url from the browser to your Logos Shortcuts bar to make a direct link to the website and save yourself the step of opening the About panel.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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The Library "type" item has either changes the meaning of Calendar Devotional OR tagged some resources in error. Calendar devotional previously meant solely "secular calendar"; items indexed by liturgical date could not function as a devotional on the Home Page. However at least these resources are indexed only by liturgical date but are tagged as Calendar Devotions. Therefore, they show up as options for the Daily Devotional on the Dashboard, but if selected do absolutely nothing.
- Oden, Thomas C., and Cindy Crosby, eds. Ancient Christian Devotional: A Year of Weekly Readings: Lectionary Cycle A. Downers Grove, IL: IVP Books, 2007.
- Oden, Thomas C., and Cindy Crosby, eds. Ancient Christian Devotional: A Year of Weekly Readings: Lectionary Cycle B. Downers Grove, IL: IVP Books, 2011.
- Oden, Thomas C., and Cindy Crosby, eds. Ancient Christian Devotional: A Year of Weekly Readings: Lectionary Cycle C. Downers Grove, IL: IVP Books, 2009.
My preferred solution would be to expand Daily Devotional to include Liturgical Date Devotionals ... there are a number of additional resources that are used in this manner. Until that is accomplished, items that cannot be used on a Daily Devotional card should not be listed as options.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you David. I will be looking forward to cleaning it up again. Don
"If you cry out for insight and understanding and if you search for it as hidden treasure,
then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God." - Proverbs 2:3-50 -
Leithart, Peter J., David A. deSilva, Greg Forster, Craig L. Blomberg, Robert N. Wilkin, Mark L. Ward Jr., R. Michael Allen, et al. Reflecting on the Word: Video Devotionals (Year A). Logos Mobile Education. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016.
I would like to be able to schedule resources such as the above on the home page as a Daily Devotional rather than Courses because I would like it to present the reflection appropriate to the date rather than where I last left off.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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doc said:
They only ask fanboys and girls to private beta test and so don’t get honest feedback on whether the software is ready. I used to be a private beta tester but the stopped asking me because I gave honest feedback about things like this and they did not want to hear it.
That is demeaning a number of people you know well from the forums, because the feedback they gave was honest, and passionate at times. And they got equally honest responses... So here we are, and I can safely say that your feedback would not have made any difference to the outcome.
Going forward, I hope that you can provide feedback without getting personal, as 8.1 isn't the end of the line.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:doc said:
They only ask fanboys and girls to private beta test and so don’t get honest feedback on whether the software is ready. I used to be a private beta tester but the stopped asking me because I gave honest feedback about things like this and they did not want to hear it.
That is demeaning a number of people you know well from the forums, because the feedback they gave was honest, and passionate at times. And they got equally honest responses... So here we are, and I can safely say that your feedback would not have made any difference to the outcome.
Going forward, I hope that you can provide feedback without getting personal, as 8.1 isn't the end of the line.
Agreed, the fanboy comment was uncalled for. There was plenty of honest feedback, passionate, and even sometimes heated feedback during the beta.
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David Taylor Jr said:
There was plenty of honest feedback, passionate, and even sometimes heated feedback during the beta.
I can tell you that some of what was released today, and some of what will come in the future is a result of the feedback, discussions, and even debates that took place during the Beta. I appreciate the way the FL team solicits and considers feedback from users, as they make development and product decisions.
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Why was it moved from where it was, I don’t want to have to take up space on the shortcut bar for something that was on the home page already and was not broken? You claim to have made things easier but this is ridiculous to have to go to these lengths to add your account to the home page.
The new home page appearance is awful.
Noel Bomar said:you can add the "Your Account" to your 'Shortcuts" on the "Home Page" by "click and holding" your left mouse button on the "Your account" link then drag it from the help menu to the "Home Page" dropping it on the "Shortcuts" bar.
After you open the webpage in your browser, you can even drag the url from the browser to your Logos Shortcuts bar to make a direct link to the website and save yourself the step of opening the About panel.
Noel Bomar said:you can add the "Your Account" to your 'Shortcuts" on the "Home Page" by "click and holding" your left mouse button on the "Your account" link then drag it from the help menu to the "Home Page" dropping it on the "Shortcuts" bar.
After you open the webpage in your browser, you can even drag the url from the browser to your Logos Shortcuts bar to make a direct link to the website and save yourself the step of opening the About panel.
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doc said:
Why was it moved from where it was,
Because the large resource icon was removed so that the entire tab would take less vertical space - important on smaller screens. So where it was no longer exists. Also moved was the Panel Menu and other indicators that were on the large tab.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Leithart, Peter J., David A. deSilva, Greg Forster, Craig L. Blomberg, Robert N. Wilkin, Mark L. Ward Jr., R. Michael Allen, et al. Reflecting on the Word: Video Devotionals (Year A). Logos Mobile Education. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016.
I would like to be able to schedule resources such as the above on the home page as a Daily Devotional rather than Courses because I would like it to present the reflection appropriate to the date rather than where I last left off.
I'm in agreement with M.J. that this would be useful and time saving to bring up reflection/devotion based on relevant date. I believe this was requested in the Logos 8 wish list as well.
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Where do we edit what we see on Home page like before? to get rid of stuff like Logos Blog?
Thanks.
"Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." - Colossians 4:6
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Nathan Christopher said:
Where do we edit what we see on Home page like before? to get rid of stuff like Logos Blog?
Thanks.
This is not currently available but will be in a future release, hoping for 8.1
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Nathan Christopher said:
Where do we edit what we see on Home page like before? to get rid of stuff like Logos Blog?
There is an edit option on the far right of the Dashboard title line. The equivalent for the Explore section is not yet implemented.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Nathan Christopher said:
Where do we edit what we see on Home page like before? to get rid of stuff like Logos Blog?
Thanks.
This level of customization is not yet available in L8, but it is planned.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
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Noel Bomar said:
you can add the "Your Account" to your 'Shortcuts" on the "Home Page" by "click and holding" your left mouse button on the "Your account" link then drag it from the help menu to the "Home Page" dropping it on the "Shortcuts" bar.
After you open the webpage in your browser, you can even drag the url from the browser to your Logos Shortcuts bar to make a direct link to the website and save yourself the step of opening the About panel.
Andrew I've tried this method to create the shortcut on the "Shortcuts Bar", but it doesn't work for me. When I drag the url over to the shortcut bar and drop it, the shortcut does not appear. Can you test on your end?
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Any plans for a layout card which lets us open one of our custom layouts?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Any plans for a layout card which lets us open one of our custom layouts?
I second this.
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Kiyah said:PetahChristian said:
Any plans for a layout card which lets us open one of our custom layouts?
I second this.
Yes. We'd definitely like to expand the layout card to include all layouts, including your own saved layouts. We did this already on the mobile app. No time frame, but definitely on our list of ways to improve the homepage.
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