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Noel Bomar said:
Andrew I've tried this method to create the shortcut on the "Shortcuts Bar", but it doesn't work for me. When I drag the url over to the shortcut bar and drop it, the shortcut does not appear. Can you test on your end?
This page on the wiki has step-by-step instructions for Firefox, Chrome, and IE. I've confirmed it works on two different systems.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Noel Bomar said:
Andrew I've tried this method to create the shortcut on the "Shortcuts Bar", but it doesn't work for me. When I drag the url over to the shortcut bar and drop it, the shortcut does not appear. Can you test on your end?
This page on the wiki has step-by-step instructions for Firefox, Chrome, and IE. I've confirmed it works on two different systems.
Thanks for the link Andrew. I am able to successfully create shortcuts from various websites with Chrome browser, however the following browser does not work successfully to create links from any of the websites I had success with using Chrome:
Microsoft Edge 42.17134.1.0
Microsoft EdgeHTML 17.17134Running on Windows 10 Pro - Ver 1803 - OS Build 17134.81
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Dav the fact you or Logos don’t like my honest feedback will not change me giving it. I am not a yes man. Logos 8 is disappointing to say the least. The interface changes were unecessary and left it with a broken home page that is unprofessional. And we are told to wait to 8.1 to fix things. The home page is the first impression you get of the software and supossed to be a show pony of Logos 8. The fact they released it broken shows how little they truly respect their customer - Let’s release it to them now broken, take their money now, tell wait for 8.1 release and it will all be good, and then cross our fingers we can fix it. They’ll take us at a word and won’t care it’s broken.
And you think it appropriate to respond to me in a demeaning way simply because you have a special badge under your name and that makes it ok. Wrong move but go ahead and continue to respond to me that way because I give honest feedback. All you are doing is demeaning your own reputation. Whether you like it and whether FL likes it or not L8 is the most disappointing release since L4 when FL did not keep all of their promises about all of the missing features from Libronix and took tge progress page down overnight with no explanation. And you wonder why I am skeptical of FL not keeping their word. Journals is one of the latest in a long line of FL making promises they can’t keep.
Blessings to you Dav, stick to helping peopl, you do such a great job of doing that.
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Thanks MJ I understand that and fine with it but I am not talking about resources menu’s being moved but the home page.
MJ. Smith said:doc said:Why was it moved from where it was,
Because the large resource icon was removed so that the entire tab would take less vertical space - important on smaller screens. So where it was no longer exists. Also moved was the Panel Menu and other indicators that were on the large tab.
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doc said:
... honest ... demeaning ...
Please forgive me for my words that have hurt you.
Looking in mirror provided me a reflection of my obnoxious old nature. Many years ago had me speaking whatever I thought was true to my human best friend. Lack of Love (during my self-inflicted drug addiction spanning 20 years) provided repetition of phrase "Hurting people hurt people" so lots of words that I hurled at my best friend effectively hurt both of us. Personally still learning to speak the Truth in Love using kind words. Thankful can join God in praying for people whom I have hurt. Thankful for being substantially sober over past 9.25 years (albeit with one slip 2.5 years ago that took me 10 days before seeking repentance and cleansing from unrighteousness). Priceless is vision change to see everyone alive as someone special to God, who desires an intimate, intense Love relationship.
Thankful for professional job experience about documenting issues that focused on answering "What ?" while leaving out "Who ?" and "Why ?"
If you were in my living room, would be asking "How are you hurting ?" or "What is bothering you ?" (seeking insight about your inner being as your words over many years reflect deep hurts; would weep [:'(] with you plus Rejoice when you're Rejoicing)
doc said:... stick to helping peopl, you do such a great job of doing that.
Thankful for a number of your helpful replies while crying [:'(] from hurtful replies. My apologies for tendency to skim over your replies [:$]
doc said:... a broken home page ...
Thankful for home page improvements during private testing. For awhile, revamped home page had boxy placeholders lacking content. From earlier beta testing with crashes, have set my Logos to open to a blank layout (helpful for troubleshooting home page OR layout crash). Honestly seldom look at home page.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I wonder that the Home page is so attractive that people just can't make themselves bypass it. Faithlife must have done something really right!
I just open to a layout and added a couple links to the shortcut bar for what I wish was on the Homepage and plan to live happily ever after.
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I am not hurt, I just don't see why fellow users feel it necessary to tell people who have a different view from them that they don't have a right to express that view. We are all paying customers, it doesn't matter how much we have payed or even if someone is not a paying customer and using the free version of the software. All customer should have the freedom to express their dissatisfaction if FL has got something wrong. It won't necessary be relevant or significant to every user but it is still relevant and important to the users expressing that view.
Your apology is accepted and if anyone who did beta test this software thought I was being demeaning to them, that was not my intention with what i said it was not what I was intending my comments were about the way FL choose people to private beta test and not about any of you personally so please forgive my poorly worded expression of my frustration with the way in which FL's actions. It was never about you.
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GaoLu said:
I wonder that the Home page is so attractive that people just can't make themselves bypass it. Faithlife must have done something really right!
There's nothing attractive about the home page, its simply a case of I use it, or would if it worked, for functional reasons.
1) to access my multiple reading plans rather than having to have a layout with multiple reading plan documents open.
2) to see what resources have been added and access the latest release notes - both of these have been now removed
3) to quickly access my users account - this has now been removed and is buried in the about dialog or I have to use up space on my short cut bar to replicate the feature.
4) to quickly review the latest articles from the blogs of my choosing - or at least I used to be able to choose - to see if I want to read them in full
5) read any message sent via Logos - I have no idea if this is still a function in Logos 8
1) is broken for me, 2) & 3) have now been removed from the home page which makes no sense, 4) customization is broken & 5) as I said I have no idea what's happening in that space now.
A well done home page is about functionality. Logos 7 home page was much more functional and not broken in anyway.
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GaoLu said:
I wonder that the Home page is so attractive that people just can't make themselves bypass it. Faithlife must have done something really right!
I just open to a layout and added a couple links to the shortcut bar for what I wish was on the Homepage and plan to live happily ever after.
I suspect that a lot of people who are missing the old Home Page did bypass it the issue is that there were some things there that gave easy access to features and functions. It was any easy way to do a lot of fairly simple tasks.
May sound silly but I liked the fact that I could go to the Home Page and with a single click switch to My Library tab with only My Courses visible. Simple and effective. Same for the reading plans.
I know that there are other ways of doing this type of thing but some users right now are genuinely lost because they don't know about some of the alternatives.
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I'm confused and worried by this thread. Two questions:
a) I currently have Logos 7 set to open straight into my previous layout. If I upgrade to Logos 8, will it still do the same?
b) Will that layout look essentially the same as it does now? (Some of the comments in this thread say that things are different and the new version looks "unprofessional". I couldn't tell whether they meant the home page or the actual layouts).
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BriM said:
a) I currently have Logos 7 set to open straight into my previous layout. If I upgrade to Logos 8, will it still do the same?
All of those configuration settings are still available so that should be fine.
BriM said:b) Will that layout look essentially the same as it does now?
Essentially the same, yes.
Some of the controls / indicators are in different places, some of the tabs are larger, the order of search options has changed (Bible search now comes first), etc...
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BriM said:
I'm confused and worried by this thread. Two questions:
a) I currently have Logos 7 set to open straight into my previous layout. If I upgrade to Logos 8, will it still do the same?
b) Will that layout look essentially the same as it does now? (Some of the comments in this thread say that things are different and the new version looks "unprofessional". I couldn't tell whether they meant the home page or the actual layouts).
a - yes it will
b - my personal view is that the new look is OK
To expand a bit, there's a lot about Logos 8 that is frustrating me because some default/expected behaviours has changed and some of the UI changes feel like they were made so that 8 would be different from 7. An example of this is that a lot of items on panels seem to have switched so what was on the left is now on the right and vice versa.
This is not like going from 4 ==> 5 ==> 6 ==> 7, this is more like going from 3 ==> 4. IMHO
Expecting an upgrade like the last few with a potential issue with Notes I jumped early and am just about back to normal for my regular tasks albeit with a changed layout to accommodate the broken reading plan from Home Page feature and a couple of extra floating Windows.
I would consider myself an experienced user but not a power user so I know enough to find an alternate way of doing things. This has cost me a few hours so far and I'm expecting a few more.
I noticed a few issues being raised in areas that I use occasionally like Guides, I would advise that you look into any of the Guide/Reports that matter to you to ensure that they will not impact you. Some of the stuff I read seems bad i.e. orphaned user data that will be made available again at a future point in time. At least that's how it looked to me.
There is still no proper documentation for users who are planning an upgrade.
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I'd like to see more rounded corner consistency on the Home page. Right now, the Explore cards are a mix of:
- square top corners and rounded bottom corners,
- all square corners, and
- all rounded corners.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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First of all, I love the feel of Logos 8. It seems faster, and slightly more intuitive. The tools are very powerful.
The new home page is kind of a disappointment. I like the idea of the dashboard, but I would also like to be able to turn it off completely, freeing up that space. The ability to put our own layouts there would be wonderful.
I liked the side panel on the left in Logos 7. It would have my preferred Lectionaries, and it seems to me that it even showed the readings for the day (as links). I would love to have that side panel back, and also include the ability to select what is on that. It would be great to be able to change preferred Bibles there too. It would be fun to be able to customize the lectionary layouts in some way too. Coming from a tradition that basically ignores the church calendar, I have grown to appreciate that, but would love to add resources for studying those passages, without having to add them every time I open that layout.
I liked the link in Logos 7 which showed which resources were updated (downloaded), and even had links to the resources. That seems to have disappeared completely in L8.
I liked the ability to chose what was displayed on the home screen. I would like to be able to turn off pre-pubs and other offers for purchasing books. I find that distracting when I want to study.
I especially liked the excerpts of resources in my library. It was kind of like multiple serendipitous discovery, which was alway interesting. I have rediscovered great resources from my library through that means.
Overall though, good job Faithlife on Logos 8!
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doc said:
Dav the fact you or Logos don’t like my honest feedback will not change me giving it. I am not a yes man. Logos 8 is disappointing to say the least. The interface changes were unecessary and left it with a broken home page that is unprofessional. And we are told to wait to 8.1 to fix things. The home page is the first impression you get of the software and supossed to be a show pony of Logos 8. The fact they released it broken shows how little they truly respect their customer - Let’s release it to them now broken, take their money now, tell wait for 8.1 release and it will all be good, and then cross our fingers we can fix it. They’ll take us at a word and won’t care it’s broken.
And you think it appropriate to respond to me in a demeaning way simply because you have a special badge under your name and that makes it ok. Wrong move but go ahead and continue to respond to me that way because I give honest feedback. All you are doing is demeaning your own reputation. Whether you like it and whether FL likes it or not L8 is the most disappointing release since L4 when FL did not keep all of their promises about all of the missing features from Libronix and took tge progress page down overnight with no explanation. And you wonder why I am skeptical of FL not keeping their word. Journals is one of the latest in a long line of FL making promises they can’t keep.
Blessings to you Dav, stick to helping peopl, you do such a great job of doing that.
Everyone has the right to an opinion. I'm a long-time Logos user with pretty large library (around 8,000 items), and it's open hours every day. I'm not a beta tester, and upgraded on Monday. I watched a few of their videos and then jumped in. On my Mac it's faster than Logos 7, I like the new font, I really like the enhanced ability to craft searches, and Workflows has already been hugely helpful. I'm indifferent to Canvas, and I wish that I could turn off the content on the Home page, but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before.
You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.0 -
Pastor Greg said:
... but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.
I think doc has been pretty clear, it's his opinion. And there's probably only one doc, so people probably will be safe in concluding, it's doc's opinion.
Actually, I like reviews like doc's. Gushy approvals are fine, but almost never include minus's that may affect specific users. Very similar to Amazon reviews, you look for the 3 stars to see what issues might be involved.
And Logosians seem like Corvette club owners (since we're talking mainly guys). 'Bud, this baby's the best 8-banger ever. We don't appreciate you liking the lousy old one from last week."
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:Pastor Greg said:
... but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.
I think doc has been pretty clear, it's his opinion. And there's probably only one doc, so people probably will be safe in concluding, it's doc's opinion.
Doc is not alone...
Whether people accept it or not the Logos 8 release has not been well managed, marketing communications have created the picture of a great "next level" product ready to help you dig deeper into God's Word. Technical communications have been poor, many long term users are struggling because frequently used items have been removed or work differently, no guide to upgrading has been issued and the new help system is part of a future update.
Dig deeper and you're told that you have installed an Early Adopter version and should expect some disruption. Try finding the words Early Adopter in the marketing communications.
The reality of course is that Logos 8 will be a great product it was just released too early with the focus on attracting new users. This is nothing new in this its just that the last few releases weren't this bad.
Doc and others will keep the pressure on for a few weeks, the first couple of updates will fix some of the worst problems, the protesters will get bored of being ignored and find a way of using what they have been given and then one day a year or so from now an auto update will make Logos 8 the product it should have been when it was released on Monday.
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Graham Owen said:Denise said:Pastor Greg said:
... but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.
I think doc has been pretty clear, it's his opinion. And there's probably only one doc, so people probably will be safe in concluding, it's doc's opinion.
Doc is not alone...
Whether people accept it or not the Logos 8 release has not been well managed, marketing communications have created the picture of a great "next level" product ready to help you dig deeper into God's Word. Technical communications have been poor, many long term users are struggling because frequently used items have been removed or work differently, no guide to upgrading has been issued and the new help system is part of a future update.
Dig deeper and you're told that you have installed an Early Adopter version and should expect some disruption. Try finding the words Early Adopter in the marketing communications.
The reality of course is that Logos 8 will be a great product it was just released too early with the focus on attracting new users. This is nothing new in this its just that the last few releases weren't this bad.
Doc and others will keep the pressure on for a few weeks, the first couple of updates will fix some of the worst problems, the protesters will get bored of being ignored and find a way of using what they have been given and then one day a year or so from now an auto update will make Logos 8 the product it should have been when it was released on Monday.
To be fair, early adopter is my term, not Faithlife's. I do not work for FL. But that is a general reality with all consumer technology and software.
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David Taylor Jr said:
To be fair, early adopter is my term, not Faithlife's.
Sadly for Faithlife "Early Adopter" is actually a fair description of Monday's release whether it's their term or not.
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Graham Owen said:David Taylor Jr said:
To be fair, early adopter is my term, not Faithlife's.
Sadly for Faithlife "Early Adopter" is actually a fair description of Monday's release whether it's their term or not.
Not sure why you say sadly, this would be the same no matter what company is putting out the software. Apple, Microsoft, Faithlife, Accordance, etc. There are always unanticipated bugs/kinks/quirks/etc with the initial release. If someone does not want to deal with these they should never purchase on day one and wait for those things to be worked out over the first few weeks.
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Graham Owen said:
Whether people accept it or not the Logos 8 release has not been well managed, marketing communications have created the picture of a great "next level" product ready to help you dig deeper into God's Word.
That's a shame, because I feel the exact opposite! The Workflow feature alone is already helping me dig deeper into God's Word, and I'm one of those long-term users. It's pointing me to tools and features that I wouldn't normally go near.
I think this release has been one of the best, with some great new base packages. The addition of a MobileEd course was a great surprise and a stroke of genius.
I'm looking forward to seeing even more improvements. A product is never finished these days, and I love that Faithlife are always working to make a great thing even greater.
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David Taylor Jr said:
If someone does not want to deal with these they should never purchase on day one and wait for those things to be worked out over the first few weeks.
Several of my friends refuse to get iPhones or update OS soon for this reason. They want to wait to see how many phones get bricked, security leaks, bugs, etc. They have solid wait times to see the fallout first.
No matter how good the development team, once your product hits the wild, there's no telling what people will find until... well... they find it. I still remember people "holding their iPhones wrong" during the iPhone antennae-gate debacle. Whodathought?
MBPro'12 / i5 / 8GB // 3.0 Scholars (Purple) / L6 & L7 Platinum, M&E Platinum, Anglican Bronze, P&C Silver / L8 Platinum, Academic Pro
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👍🏽 Knowing that I can create a Workflow for my congregation, discipleship group, etc. and share it with them as we study a passage or look to help my team prepare talks/groups discussion/etc is pretty cool. It's been a big need.Richard Wardman said:I feel the exact opposite! The Workflow feature alone is already helping me dig deeper into God's Word, and I'm one of those long-term users. It's pointing me to tools and features that I wouldn't normally go near.
I think this release has been one of the best, with some great new base packages. The addition of a MobileEd course was a great surprise and a stroke of genius.
Before, it would be like buying all the tools you need to build a house, but then discovering "Oh, I don't KNOW HOW TO build a house! The tools must be broken!" Workflow is like the step-by-step instruction guide on how to build said house. (An aisde thought, maybe we need to teach our congregations HOW to study the word better, but alas...)
The "Pick-Your-Mobile-Ed" idea IS genius! Win-Win for logos and us. It's a tiny baby-step towards what some wanted in a "customizable base package."
MBPro'12 / i5 / 8GB // 3.0 Scholars (Purple) / L6 & L7 Platinum, M&E Platinum, Anglican Bronze, P&C Silver / L8 Platinum, Academic Pro
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Richard Villanueva said:David Taylor Jr said:
If someone does not want to deal with these they should never purchase on day one and wait for those things to be worked out over the first few weeks.
Several of my friends refuse to get iPhones or update OS soon for this reason. They want to wait to see how many phones get bricked, security leaks, bugs, etc. They have solid wait times to see the fallout first.
No matter how good the development team, once your product hits the wild, there's no telling what people will find until... well... they find it. I still remember people "holding their iPhones wrong" during the iPhone antennae-gate debacle. Whodathought?
All of this may be true but the point that keeps being over looked is Logos' total disregard for their existing users in their communications.
We are on day 3, some users are struggling with the changes, there is still no documentation to help, the help system is planned for a future update, all we have is some videos which are as much marketing as they are training. And the sad reality is that I would never in a million years have thought to look at the Library video to learn how to change the Preferred Bible.
One output from a Beta Program should be Known Issues and Changes in Behaviour, its not much to ask but I have a very low expectation of ever seeing one. When you hit a problem and someone on a Forums says that its a know issue, IMHO asking why no one told you is a fair question.
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Graham Owen said:
... there is still no documentation to help
Logos Wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/ includes many links to the new Help Center provided by Faithlife that has many videos and articles.
- Logos Training: Get Started
- Logos Training: Search
- Logos Training: Personal Books
- Logos Training: Set Preferred Bible
- Logos Training: Hide Resources
Logos 8 Help Center – Training & Support
- Feature Videos & Bible Study
- Sermon Prep & Academic/Theologian Study
- Documents & Guides & Tools: Content
Help Center is also available in other languages:
- German => https://support.logos.com/hc/de
- Spanish => https://support.logos.com/hc/es
- Portuguese => https://support.logos.com/hc/pt
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David Taylor Jr said:
Not sure why you say sadly,
Because I was there when 3 became 4 and people promised that the lessons had been learnt.
That upgrade was painful and like this one a lot of the problem was down to poor communications like this one.
There were know issues that have had a known impact on existing users these could and should have been communicated. Well at least that is my opinion.
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Graham Owen said:
That upgrade was painful and like this one a lot of the problem was down to poor communications like this one.
I now you're disappointed that some L7 features are no longer the same in L8, but the difference between the L4 launch and this one is night and day.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Richard Wardman said:
The Workflow feature alone is already helping me dig deeper into God's Word, and I'm one of those long-term users. It's pointing me to tools and features that I wouldn't normally go near.
[Y][Y] I'm integrating the "Expository Sermon Preparation" Workflow into my sermon prep this week and have found the simple one-click access to things like the "Compare Pericope" and "Compare Bible Versions" has led me to observations that I would normally miss. I was aware of these features but don't consistently refer to them in my sermon prep. the Workflow is helping me to produce a richer exposition.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Mark Barnes said:Graham Owen said:
That upgrade was painful and like this one a lot of the problem was down to poor communications like this one.
I now you're disappointed that some L7 features are no longer the same in L8, but the difference between the L4 launch and this one is night and day.
I would agree with that in terms of the technology Mark
I'm confident that the third iteration of Logos 8 will be a lot better than the third iteration of Logos 4 was in terms of technical innovation I think Faithlife are doing well.
The fact that Notes is a big issue for some users is actually amusing given the situation with Notes moving from 3 to 4 and the official Logos position on notes back then i.e. they were not supported.
But the communications and company approach is very much back to the dark days.
So you end up with the challenge of liking/wanting the software but really not wanting to have to deal with the company.
After 6, which I think is the last release I beta tested, I actually thought that things were OK. I was tired of the "fan boy" versus "suffering user" nature of the forum so I basically became one of the unheard, unseen, users and that's worked for me because I enjoy Bible Study and Logos is a great tool for doing that. (Before anyone gets offended I used "fan boy" here to express the hostile, them vs us nature of the Forum 4 years ago rather than anything related to my experience here since Monday).
Having read up about Notes, and watched Logos auto update, I went to do my Bible reading for the day, a simple task you'd think but no, my preferred layout is closed and a new random one opens. Given that each year my daily Bible reading is a different translation my layout has this version linked to by preferred NASB95, long story short I scratch my head, open my layout, open the Reading Plan Document and complete my reading.
For the UI the biggest change that I noticed was stuff I thought was top left of a panel was now top right, looks OK, just seems a bit pointless.
Next thing I do is open the Library, can't remember which author I was looking for but I noticed the behaviour was not what I expected so used <Alt> <Tab> to switch to my open Library Window, not the end of the world but it took me a while to stop clicking on the Library Icon and use <Alt> <Tab>.
Came to the Forums and quite quickly figured out who some of the Beta Testers were, they were the ones responding "known issue" or "future update" to mine and other similar queries. Right back to the 3 becomes 4 fiasco except these days everyone wants you to watch a video that is part help and a lot marketing.
To be honest I'm really fed up with the whole thing, just need to remind myself, great software, poor company/communications and keep away from the forums.
And yes I know that, now I have figured out how to do the things that are part of my current routine there are some great new tools in Logos 8 that I'll be able to use to do what I enjoy, Study the Bible.
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Graham Owen said:
But the communications and company approach is very much back to the dark days.
To be fair, this time an email went out about a week before L8 explaining that there were big changes coming to Notes, and giving documentation for how users could prepare for that.
Graham Owen said:I went to do my Bible reading for the day, a simple task you'd think but no, my preferred layout is closed and a new random one opens. Given that each year my daily Bible reading is a different translation my layout has this version linked to by preferred NASB95, long story short I scratch my head, open my layout, open the Reading Plan Document and complete my reading.
I agree that is annoying. I too prefer the L7 way of opening reading plans.
Graham Owen said:For the UI the biggest change that I noticed was stuff I thought was top left of a panel was now top right, looks OK, just seems a bit pointless.
The change has been made because of the new left-hand panel which gives access to TOC, and Notes & Highlights, and adds consistency with the left-hand panels in other places (e.g. Library, Documents menu).
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