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Mark Barnes said:Graham Owen said:
But the communications and company approach is very much back to the dark days.
To be fair, this time an email went out about a week before L8 explaining that there were big changes coming to Notes, and giving documentation for how users could prepare for that.
Read that, took the risk, that's why I'm not complaining about Notes. (Do think the by verse sort order issue is a bit dumb though).
The warning should have covered some other known issues as well IMHO, my library is around 15,000 resources, small compared to some but it cost me a lot more than I'm prepared to pay for a brand new car. That level of commitment deserves more again IMHO.
How did anyone think the reading plan behaviour make sense?
Mark Barnes said:The change has been made because of the new left-hand panel which gives access to TOC, and Notes & Highlights, and adds consistency with the left-hand panels in other places (e.g. Library, Documents menu).
That's the first time someone has offered me a sensible explanation.
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Graham Owen said:
How did anyone think the reading plan behaviour make sense?
Have you tried simply replacing the Home Page Bible Reading Plan Layout with your old, preferred layout? Granted the default should have been this anyhow; the communications could have been better. But it really took me all of 5 seconds to set it how I wanted it.
TGC
In His Service,
TGC
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T Gerold Castle said:Graham Owen said:
How did anyone think the reading plan behaviour make sense?
Have you tried simply replacing the Home Page Bible Reading Plan Layout with your old, preferred layout? Granted the default should have been this anyhow; the communications could have been better. But it really took me all of 5 seconds to set it how I wanted it.
TGC
Does that really work?
OK so that implies there is some logic behind the change in behaviour
Will definitely explore the possibilities.
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You can assign whichever layout you want to the Bible Reading Plan Layout.
In His Service,
TGC
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Graham Owen said:T Gerold Castle said:Graham Owen said:
How did anyone think the reading plan behaviour make sense?
Have you tried simply replacing the Home Page Bible Reading Plan Layout with your old, preferred layout? Granted the default should have been this anyhow; the communications could have been better. But it really took me all of 5 seconds to set it how I wanted it.
TGC
Does that really work?
It works in that you can then specify what you want the layout to look like. But it doesn't stop Logos closing your existing layout.
When I click on a Reading Plan, I just want to open the single resource — without closing any other resources I have open. That's not possible, even with custom layouts, and that's what I would like to see the Home Page card allow me to do.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Ahh... I understand what you guys are asking for. Guess I just don't use the reading plan functionality in that way. I use it, well, to read. I do have a notes pane open for any questions that may arise as I'm reading. And that was simple enough to set up.
I don't use it in conjunction with any other workflows.
Sorry I misunderstood.
TGC
In His Service,
TGC
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T Gerold Castle said:Graham Owen said:
How did anyone think the reading plan behaviour make sense?
Have you tried simply replacing the Home Page Bible Reading Plan Layout with your old, preferred layout? Granted the default should have been this anyhow; the communications could have been better. But it really took me all of 5 seconds to set it how I wanted it.
TGC
This does open up some interesting possibilities and offers some insight to the thinking behind the change of behaviour in the new design. Comparing the actions of the default page with one that I create there must be some special attributes to enable some panels in the layout the be dynamically changed on open because the default layout opens the right book for any Reading Plan while any layout I create only opens the resources I have pre-allocated. I would still like to see the old behaviour restored but if the required information is published this new behaviour has some potential especially if there was a way to link a layout to a reading plan.
Maybe the help when we finally get it will provide the missing details.
Thanks for this but for now having the reading plan document open wins.
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Mark Barnes said:Graham Owen said:T Gerold Castle said:Graham Owen said:
How did anyone think the reading plan behaviour make sense?
Have you tried simply replacing the Home Page Bible Reading Plan Layout with your old, preferred layout? Granted the default should have been this anyhow; the communications could have been better. But it really took me all of 5 seconds to set it how I wanted it.
TGC
Does that really work?
It works in that you can then specify what you want the layout to look like. But it doesn't stop Logos closing your existing layout.
When I click on a Reading Plan, I just want to open the single resource — without closing any other resources I have open. That's not possible, even with custom layouts, and that's what I would like to see the Home Page card allow me to do.
So it sounds like no grand plan was outlined during the Beta.
Mark you don't have to answer that.
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Graham Owen said:
So it sounds like no grand plan was outlined during the Beta.
Despite what Doc seems to think, beta testers aren't "yes men". We were very enthusiastic about some changes, and very unenthusiastic about others. This particular issue of Reading Plan layouts is one that was raised by several beta testers, and some felt very strongly that the old method was better.
Not all our comments were responded to (we made thousands, FL couldn't respond to them all), and I'm afraid I can't find a FL response to the comments made during beta about Reading Plan layouts.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:Graham Owen said:
So it sounds like no grand plan was outlined during the Beta.
Despite what Doc seems to think, beta testers aren't "yes men". We were very enthusiastic about some changes, and very unenthusiastic about others. This particular issue of Reading Plan layouts is one that was raised by several beta testers, and some felt very strongly that the old method was better.
Not all our comments were responded to (we made thousands, FL couldn't respond to them all), and I'm afraid I can't find a FL response to the comments made during beta about Reading Plan layouts.
Been there Mark and know how much hard work it is.
Thanks
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Hi Kyle, how do I delete the cards on the explore part of the home page?
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58NAPCO said:
Hi Kyle, how do I delete the cards on the explore part of the home page?
This is coming soon. We are actively working on this issue.
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I mostly like the redesign and think the home page will be nice once it goes through a few cycles and user suggestions are incorporated. However, the Reading Plan cards are a step backwards in that they don't have all the functionality that they did when they were part of the left-hand menu.
I just finished a plan. I don't use custom plans, so when I finish the body of a work, usually a day or two of bibliography pages etc. are left to check off before the plan is completed. There's no easy way to do this from the home screen like there was in prior versions of Logos, at least as far as I can see. I had to open the Plan document in order to do it. The same problem is there, I assume, if I read ahead and miss clicking on a reading completed bar.
Also, usually I delete a plan after I finish it. In the former setup, this was very easy to do setup at the same as removing it from the lefthand menu. In 8, I had again to go into the documents menu to do it. I also had to refresh the home page before it was removed from the dashboard.
I'm sure this will become more intuitive as I get accustomed to the new UI, but it would be good if the Reading Plan cards were given more functions than they have at present.
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Thanks for the reply.
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Kevin Olson said:
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I especially liked the excerpts of resources in my library. It was kind of like multiple serendipitous discovery, which was alway interesting. I have rediscovered great resources from my library through that means.
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Not the same, but if you like this kind of discovery, you can enter FSD in the command bar for a fun "easter egg".
The idea of facilitating serendipitous discovery has a long history at Faithlife: see Eli Evan's blog post from 12 years ago (!). I still have a t-shirt somewhere with that slogan.
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You can also limit the FSD command to a specific collection, such as: "fsd in All Journals" (assuming you have a collection titled "All Journals").
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I saved a shortcut a long time ago to facilitate a serendipitous discovery. Glad to still have it to my shortcut bar. Frequently found books I hadn't used or forgotten about.
In Christ,
Ken
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You can also limit the FSD command to a specific collection, such as: "fsd in All Journals" (assuming you have a collection titled "All Journals").
Did not know that! Thanks for the tip Andrew!
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Thank you for this suggestion.
I also have some devotional resources like:
Johnson, Marshall D., ed. Day by Day We Magnify You: Daily Readings for the Entire Year. Revised Edition. Minneapolis: Augsburg Books, 2008.
which also use the liturgical calendar. It would be nice to have this and other devotional resources I use to be recognized for what they are. I understand that some sort of liturgical calendar converter will be required, especially with differing calendars in East and West. I follow the older one-year lectionary for Lutherans, so I recognize that I am really in a small minority here, but I would settle for the western common calendar at least.
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Where can I see what resources were updated? In 7, it was on the Home screen, but I cannot seem to find that.
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I came to the forum for the same issue. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.
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Thomas Winter said:
I came to the forum for the same issue. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.
You can see what resources were updated in the Library filter: see https://community.logos.com/forums/p/174400/1007704.aspx#1007704 for an example.
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jedi008 said:
Where can I see what resources were updated?
In the library open the sidebar and scroll down to the last two facets.
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You can also limit the FSD command to a specific collection, such as: "fsd in All Journals" (assuming you have a collection titled "All Journals").
I did not know this, that's awesome.
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David Taylor Jr said:
I did not know this, that's awesome.
I've created a collection with just my favorite Bible, so I can sometimes use this to read a random verse. I also like reading random journal articles. I can imagine some other fun uses...
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Can you edit the Explore section of the Home Page? And if not, why not?
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Richard Bush said:
Can you edit the Explore section of the Home Page? And if not, why not?
Not yet - it is something that is being worked on. I think the plan this is introduced in 8.1
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For the life of me, I do not understand why you are still telling everyone that user control of the "explorer" section is coming SOON- 6 weeks is not soon- its a life time to look at all the nonsense.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
For the life of me, I do not understand why you are still telling everyone that user control of the "explorer" section is coming SOON- 6 weeks is not soon- its a life time to look at all the nonsense.
I guess it depends on your age ... 6 weeks is very soon when you're my age ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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And it might almost be "too soon" when one is that much older again. Good reply M.J. Smith.
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