Initial Reaction to L8?
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Graham
Every pitch to sell a book, collection, etc. on the Home page.
On my "Home Page" it starts out with the 10 Day Reading Plan. I think that is ok, and not an ad. Then the Morris tidbit tutorial videos. Definitely helpful. Then an option to download the app (technically an ad, but, maybe acceptable). Then a slew of Prepub, Community Pricing ads,An offer to browse the Christian Ebooks on Leadership & Finances, A Proclaim Blog, pretending to be a blog, but looks to be another item to suck more money, ie, ad,2 more prepub ads, a Lexham Press New Release ad, several community pricing ads, a John McArthur sermon sell (which I have very little respect for, knowing his priority is raising funds. A friend of mine graduated from his college, and they actually did an offering collection. But I won't trash him more than that here). There's more prepub and CP offers, and a Faithlife TV ad. One is actually an ad, while another is a video; that I am not referring. And sadly, I am just about a third to 40% of the way through. It's sickening and disgusting to me, and a huge chunk of everything I have hated about Logos over the past decade, all crammed into my Home Page, with (at this point) NO option to annihilate them.
If you are not receiving them, PLEASE let us know how this was done. Support says that at this time there is nothing that can be done. Even more disgusting, because for all the flaws of previous versions, we were at least able to disable them.Graham Criddle said:Batman said:the Home Page does not allow for us to remove the ads
I've seen a number of references to this but I don't understand it!
What ads are you seeing?
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Ok, so, then I did misunderstand?
In that case, I do hope 8.1 fixes some of the things people are needing fixed and the ability to remove the ads.Graham Criddle said:Batman said:From what I (mis)understand, this is an early release, and Nov. 5th they'll roll out the full project. Not sure if that is still the case or what. But, I do hope some more tweaks will be rolled out for everyone.
No that isn't the case.
There is an option for Faithlife Connect users to "hold back" on doing the upgrade until Nov 5th to consider options but the software that is available to purchase today is the full Logos 8.0 product.
There will be 8.1 (etc) on six week release cycles but that's different
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To Graham Criddle:
Q: "Are you seeing something different? Or is it those you would rather not see?"
A: I am seeing something very different. Multiple Logos ads promoting products, as well as links to blogs, sales, etc. Many screens worth of promotion.
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Batman said:
Every pitch to sell a book, collection, etc. on the Home page.
On my "Home Page" it starts out with the 10 Day Reading Plan. I think that is ok, and not an ad. Then the Morris tidbit tutorial videos. Definitely helpful. Then an option to download the app (technically an ad, but, maybe acceptable). Then a slew of Prepub, Community Pricing ads,An offer to browse the Christian Ebooks on Leadership & Finances, A Proclaim Blog, pretending to be a blog, but looks to be another item to suck more money, ie, ad,2 more prepub ads, a Lexham Press New Release ad, several community pricing ads, a John McArthur sermon sell (which I have very little respect for, knowing his priority is raising funds. A friend of mine graduated from his college, and they actually did an offering collection. But I won't trash him more than that here). There's more prepub and CP offers, and a Faithlife TV ad. One is actually an ad, while another is a video; that I am not referring. And sadly, I am just about a third to 40% of the way through. It's sickening and disgusting to me, and a huge chunk of everything I have hated about Logos over the past decade, all crammed into my Home Page, with (at this point) NO option to annihilate them.</snip>
As explained here we hope to provide customization of the Explore section of the Home Page with the 8.1 release.
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Dennis Phelps said:
Q: "Are you seeing something different? Or is it those you would rather not see?"
A: I am seeing something very different. Multiple Logos ads promoting products, as well as links to blogs, sales, etc. Many screens worth of promotion.
Thanks Dennis
As Sean points out there are plans to address this in 8.1
To explain why I was asking the question all I see in the Explore section of my homepage is as shown below
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Graham Criddle said:
To explain why I was asking the question all I see in the Explore section of my homepage is as shown below
Interesting, Graham. I wish my Explore section would show all those videos.
(Is there a web page that lists all the L8 videos? I looked at Logos Pro but couldn't find them there.)
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
(Is there a web page that lists all the L8 videos? I looked at Logos Pro but couldn't find them there.)
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/categories/360000675231 could be a good place to start.
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Seventeen of the first 41 tiles in my Explore panel were advertising. I will turn those streams off first when customization comes to the Home Page.
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Sean Boisen said:
As explained here we hope to provide customization of the Explore section of the Home Page with the 8.1 release.
Home is way, way too overwhelming, with far too many squares of information. I'm sure glad FL will allow us to customize; I can thus remove the coloured noise.
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Can't speak highly of it enough. I know I am not as "well-versed" in Logos as many of you, but for my daily use it is amazing. A huge improvement from Logos 7.
If nothing else, the software itself has improved drastically, with quicker load times and smoother animations.
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I think most people would totally agree with you. Thanks for expressing this.
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This time Collector's doesn't have much of anything in it that has me salivating. My price is not too bad ($2100ish), but I am entirely lacking a sense of "MUST" this time around. They did include a smattering of the things I was lacking and hoped would be included, but they don't reach a critical mass for me, unfortunately. I'd like to see what's been done with Notes, but I'm almost afraid to, since I'm about 99.99% sure it won't be what I've needed and requested in order to lay L3 to rest for good.
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After making a second pass through the "New to Me" selections, I found something that I had overlooked, so I will probably go ahead and bite the hook in a month or so, once my previous CE is paid off. Hope I'm wrong about Notes.
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David Paul said:
in order to lay L3 to rest for good.
Do I understand you correctly- you are still using L3?
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Graham Criddle said:Dennis Phelps said:
Q: "Are you seeing something different? Or is it those you would rather not see?"
A: I am seeing something very different. Multiple Logos ads promoting products, as well as links to blogs, sales, etc. Many screens worth of promotion.
Thanks Dennis
As Sean points out there are plans to address this in 8.1
To explain why I was asking the question all I see in the Explore section of my homepage is as shown below
They talked one time about trying to get it to respect your L7 prefs in time for launch. Is that what this is? Did you have all pre-pub, community, etc disabled in L7? Or is something else going on?
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Randy W. Sims said:
Did you have all pre-pub, community, etc disabled in L7? Or is something else going on?
I had a number of things disabled - but I still got information about prepubs and Logos messages so I don't think that's the explanation.
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So, I must confess that I'm hardly a neutral reviewer. Logos release week is sooooooo fun for me! There are so many new books to use and tools to explore. I'm like a little kid on Christmas who can't decide what toy to play with first. My wallet could never handle it....but, I think every day should be Logos "Release Day."
And, after a "whole" one day of use, I am VERY impressed with Logos 8. For me, the Methodist Platinum package was packed with just the right sets of books! I am having a blast playing around with the new features. And, I think both the upgraded notes and canvas features are going to be home runs.
I know several have had concerns about the homepage but that doesn't affect me much since I haven't used it in years. The only "issue" I've had is learning that Canvas and Hebrew text don't play well together. But, I if that is the only glitch I find in a major software release, I'll be a very happy camper!
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My initial reaction, in brief, is that I'm looking forward to 8.1 being what I would have liked 8.0 to be... but c'est la vie. 8.1 will be a real improvement for me over 7.x.
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Absolutely agree.
Having to pay to suck eggs is indicative of a product that has lost the point and purpose of its existence, to make biblical studies enjoyable, quick and productive.
These days I use Logos for referencing large data sets but the joy has long gone in Sermon notes that are cumbersome rather than intuitive. Notes that are just a pain but I persist in the vain hope of something better. And still no capability in the iOS app for preparing and editing Sermon notes (unless I missed something in the last update).
As Cynthia comments,
Cynthia in Florida said:I started with Logos 4 (I think), and to be honest, I found 6 frustrating and as for L7...well I almost quit. I thought everything about L7 was designed without one thought of the average user,
I still think back to the days of Olive Tree Bible Software running on Palm OS on a Palm Tungsten T3. Fast, intuitive, productive.
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Excellent.
That raises my score once again!Sean Boisen said:As explained here we hope to provide customization of the Explore section of the Home Page with the 8.1 release.
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UPDATE to the update.
How unfortunate I cannot edit once again. Because would be appropriate in the initial post.
Customizing ads IS on the way. Hopefully with the next update, 8.1, which is expected within a 6 week cycle, so, hopefully, the ability to add the necessary modules will be 6 weeks away.
So, once again, I am bumping up the score, at this point, to a hefty 95. A score I never expected to give Logos, ever.
Thank you Logos, Faithlife, Bob, MJ Smith, Mark Barnes, and all who have helped us here in the forums, and to Sean Boisen for explaining the ads and that it is on the way.0 -
PetahChristian said:
(Is there a web page that lists all the L8 videos? I looked at Logos Pro but couldn't find them there.)
Hey Petah,
We revamped our support site and added new videos and articles for 8. Graham's link is great, or the *main* support site is here: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us
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That looks MUCH nicer than what I see. E.g. the video cards are spread across (down) many, many, screen pages, interspersed randomly with all the other card that seem so randomly displayed.Graham Criddle said:Dennis Phelps said:Q: "Are you seeing something different? Or is it those you would rather not see?"
A: I am seeing something very different. Multiple Logos ads promoting products, as well as links to blogs, sales, etc. Many screens worth of promotion.
Thanks Dennis
As Sean points out there are plans to address this in 8.1
To explain why I was asking the question all I see in the Explore section of my homepage is as shown below
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Rick Ausdahl said:
That looks MUCH nicer than what I see. E.g. the video cards are spread across (down) many, many, screen pages, interspersed randomly with all the other card that seem so randomly displayed.
On my computer in the church office I see all the ads and cards that others have spoken about!
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Daniel Di Bartolo said:
We revamped our support site and added new videos and articles for 8. Graham's link is great, or the *main* support site is here: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us
Logos Wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/ includes many Help Center links
- Logos Training: Get Started
- Logos Training: Search
- Logos Training: Personal Books
- Logos Training: Set Preferred Bible
- Logos Training: Hide Resources
Logos 8 Help Center – Training & Support
- Feature Videos & Bible Study
- Sermon Prep & Academic/Theologian Study
- Documents & Guides & Tools: Content
Help Center is also available in other languages:
- German => https://support.logos.com/hc/de
- Spanish => https://support.logos.com/hc/es
- Portuguese => https://support.logos.com/hc/pt
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Downloaded it last night and used it for study today. Only a cursory glance at the new features and capabilities. However, I can already see that it is a tremendous improvement over Logos 7 in many, many ways - both visually and practically. I can't wait to have time for a full exploration in coming days. Well done FaithLife and the Logos team!
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Hello KS4J:
I got a problem that maybe you can help solve:
Take a look at the following article:
https://blog.logos.com/2016/05/create-links-specific-logos-resources/
...what it says basically is that in Mac you can use Alt + ⌘ + C to create a link to a precise location in a logos resource.
So one of the uses I would give to canvas is to make a mind map (visual) index.
So inside a box I would put "mind maps", then I would insert in a different text box the above link to specific resource
and I found an article in a resource by the way of:
although the link to the web page works, the link to a specific section in a resource does not.
Any clue as to what can be done to be able to include links to specific par
ts of a resource in the canvas so I can have access to information pertaining the particular subject quickly and easily?
Thanks ahead of time for your input... So that you get an idea of the potential, take a look at the following:
imagine if links to specific locations in a resource could be added to a similar map in canvas... indexing to another level.
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try the item call "link"
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Same old girl with a new dress and accessories. cannot sort notes by references that have to be changed. where are the settings controls?
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