I need answers re: loss of function

MJ. Smith

Now that the Help file is updated, it is clear that the "mess up" in the Saints function was intentional 

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• Saints cards access the Saints Dataset to display the names and biographical details of saints who have a feast day on that particular day.

Note: This card will only display if the user has an Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, or Verbum base package.

Verbum Help (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2018).

In Logos 7, the Saints section was the calendar of the Saints that affected the day's worship - i.e. the calendar of saints. Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, (Presbyterian, Methodist, United Church) and other such calendars exist. This is what is needed to plan worship and preaching.

In Logos 8, the Saints section (despite reference to Saints dataset in Help) is a list drawn from the reference books on saints of all the saints associated with the date without respect to the sanctoral cycle that ruled in Logos 7. This is useful for devotional purposes.

In Logos 7, the Saints section was controlled by Saints. Bellingham, WA: Verbum, 2013. which I have renamed "Saints: Sanctoral Cycle of the Catholic Church - Roman Rite" to indicate its function. This resource is in alphabetic sequence and is essentially an index into the other hagiographic materials. Unfortunately, Logos 8 assumes date order so we have lost (a) ability to see all the saints for the day.

Faithlife can easily clean up this incompletely thought out change by:

• leaving the Logos 8 concept of supporting devotional saints works (calendar order)
• converting VERY QUICKLY Saints. Bellingham, WA: Verbum, 2013.to calendar sequence for people running Logos 8 and above; current order remains for people running Logos 7 or below
• creating a new resource type "saints calendar" so that users can create PB's that are recognized as eligible for saints cards on the dashboard of the home page.
• modifying the logic for the saints cards to show multiple saints for the same day

The alternative is to revert to the Logos 7 behavior and build the sanctoral cycles for the additional churches. 

The loss of support for sanctoral cycles is not acceptable - especially since I'd already promised my daughter-in-law, a hand-crafted ELCA cycle.

I need to know how Faithlife is addressing this problem so I can build an appropriate PB.

Mike Binks

MJ once more I come in support even though I don't understand all the intricacies of your argument.

Is it just me that is the only (reformed steam) preacher who wants to know what the other branches of the church are thinking about on a given day?

Although I usually use the RCL (Revised Common Lectionary) I often scan the other Lectionaries to see how they vary.

Noting the various Saints has also been a habit (even if I might wonder about the criteria for sainthood).

So I don't think that you should be building an 'appropriate PB' - because I want my copy provided by Logos. (No offence!) and I want it tied to the Liturgical Calendar.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1008903#Comment_1008903

So I don't think that you should be building an 'appropriate PB' - because I want my copy provided by Logos. (No offence!) and I want it tied to the Liturgical Calendar.

I've waited several years for Logos to come through without any sign of movement. And as all the calendar vary slightly between countries and "flavors" (ELCA vs. WELS vs. Missouri Synod) I think we need to be able to build (and share) them.

Let me explain a bit more how the calendars work.

1. Liturgical churches have a liturgical calendar  that changes from year to year because a block of dates is determined by when Easter falls in a given year.

2. They also have a sanctoral cycle calendar which uses secular dates and does not change from year to year.

3. They have a set of rules that apply to choose on a given date whether the service of the liturgical year or the service of the sanctoral cycle is used. When the liturgical service rules, there may still be a mention of the saint of the sanctoral cycle in the service. For example, Ash Wednesday trumps any saint for that date.

4. Finally, they have lists of all the saints and when they would be commemorated if they were important enough ... this is when people may celebrate their name day, a church may celebrate the saint they are named after, . . .