No Outlines for Skip’s Sermons?
How come Skip’s sermon archiv doesn’t include the outlines for the sermons? It’s kind of disappointing because you have to read an entire manuscript and really pay attention to figure out the sermon’s divisions. On his website he includes outlines for his messages. Any possibility those can be added in the near future?
Thanks!
DAL
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I wasn't involved in any of the material acquisitions so I don't know the full story there but I do know only transcripts were provided to us.
Providing the outlines is something we can certainly explore.
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Thanks Kyle! Outlines would definitely be helpful. Hopefully it can be done 👍😁👌
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Your post reminded me that one of the serendipitous benefits of getting L8 Baptist Silver was getting Adrian Rogers' sermons. I had not taken a look at them until now. They have outlines!
I also found out that the dude was really old:
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IMHO the Adrian Rogers sermon archive is the best in terms of how it’s organized. Easy to follow. I returned Keller’s and Chandler‘s archives because of lack of organization. Others, such as Greg Laurie, MacArthur, Skip, etc I’ve kept because they’re part of a base package.
Now Carson I like to read and at least his audio sermons are included for most of his sermons.
DAL
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I agree with Dal that Adrian Roger's Sermon Archive is laid out the best of all the sermon archives and I too am disappointed in the Logos layout of Skip Heitzig's sermons. They are difficult to navigate through to find relevant material. It reminds me of reading through emails that are too long to find the important information. In my estimation digital books are much more effective when organized and structured clearly.
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DAL said:
IMHO the Adrian Rogers sermon archive is the best in terms of how it’s organized. Easy to follow. I returned Keller’s and Chandler‘s archives because of lack organization
DAL
I agree that the Adrian Rogers archive is excellent! I wish that they would include outlines of the other archives. It makes these much less attractive when there is no outline provided. I would imagine that they have a higher return rate. People probably purchased them, only to discover it’s nothing more than a great big blob of text, and then return them.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
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Popping in to say I'm paying attention. I'm always interested in feedback on matters we might have some control in.
Here's what I'm gathering:
- Outlines: You love them! We'll keep this mind. They're not something that are always provided for us but with our new Sermon Outline section in the Passage Guide (and their leverage in the Sermon tool) we're on the look-out for incorporating more of them.
- Organization: If I had to guess you like how the Adrian Rogers Sermon archive is organized by their canonical order. If you had to choose between canonical order and chronological order you'd chose canonical order. Generally speaking we give priority to the organization provided to us by the pastor/ministry. Usually this is by date and/or sermon series but the Rogers sermon series was an exception on this front: it was organized by book of the Bible as opposed to their chronological date (e.g. the sermons in Job jump around in time). If this is something that is preferred we might be able to discuss this with future partners to find out if they're open to it. (Side note: we do add an index where the sermons are organized in their canonical order.)
Anything else I'm missing?
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Thanks Kyle!
For now those two things would be a tremendous help! Thanks for listening 👍😁👌
DAL
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
Popping in to say I'm paying attention. I'm always interested in feedback on matters we might have some control in.
Here's what I'm gathering:
- Outlines: You love them! We'll keep this mind. They're not something that are always provided for us but with our new Sermon Outline section in the Passage Guide (and their leverage in the Sermon tool) we're on the look-out for incorporating more of them.
- Organization: If I had to guess you like how the Adrian Rogers Sermon archive is organized by their canonical order. If you had to choose between canonical order and chronological order you'd chose canonical order. Generally speaking we give priority to the organization provided to us by the pastor/ministry. Usually this is by date and/or sermon series but the Rogers sermon series was an exception on this front: it was organized by book of the Bible as opposed to their chronological date (e.g. the sermons in Job jump around in time). If this is something that is preferred we might be able to discuss this with future partners to find out if they're open to it. (Side note: we do add an index where the sermons are organized in their canonical order.)
Anything else I'm missing?
Right on the money! Those two things would do more to increase marketability of the Mobile Ed product than anything else I could think of. Thank you for listening!
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
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Myke, we’re talking about the sermon archives not mobile ed courses 😁 focus man! 😜
DAL
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
Anything else
Hi Kyle:
DAL mentioned the Carson sermons included audio sermons. I'm assuming that means the physical audio files. What would be nice, and probably only an automate-able editing chore, is have links to each sermon on the speaker's MP3 web site, if available. If the exact location of specific sermons is typically elusive, a Google search link with sermon title, restricted to the domain would be helpful. The only sermon series I have from Logos are Rogers and Spurgeon. The Rogers sermons don't have links and Spurgeon's tapes were all burned by the Baptist Union [;)].
I have done some homemade sermon archives and include such links and have found them very helpful, especially for lazy old men.
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Thanks for listening and answering Kyle!
I typically use sermon archives in the latter stages of my own sermon preparation. I want to see how the author/preacher approached a scripture passage (outlines) and also in looking for application and illustration. If there would be a way to highlight or index the author's/preacher's illustrations that would be fantastic. I realize that might be asking a lot from Faithlife, but it would greatly add to the usefulness of the archives.
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MWW said:
Thanks for listening and answering Kyle!
I typically use sermon archives in the latter stages of my own sermon preparation. I want to see how the author/preacher approached a scripture passage (outlines) and also in looking for application and illustration. If there would be a way to highlight or index the author's/preacher's illustrations that would be fantastic. I realize that might be asking a lot from Faithlife, but it would greatly add to the usefulness of the archives.
Ooooh! This is excellent feedback. This is an area we've been considering for awhile now. It is great to hear this would be well received by at least one person.
On a closely related note we'll be slowly rolling out mark-up that identifies opening and closing prayers. For people like me who often prepare a closing prayer, we thought this might be useful.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
On a closely related note we'll be slowly rolling out mark-up that identifies opening and closing prayers. For people like me who often prepare a closing prayer, we thought this might be useful.
Nice.
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