Just imported titus 1:5f into Logos and noticed that it recognized it as Titus 1:5-6. Tried Titus 1:5ff and it seemed to reference the pericope (or at least several verses following). Very cool!
Thank you for noticing! Logos 4 is full of tiny refinements like this that were never even mentioned, and it's nice to hear when someone notices.
Way cool. [Y]
Phil, you should add this to the Tips wiki.
Awwwwsome!
Also of note, the passage list maintains the a on 1 Peter 5:1a. while it doesn't truncate the verse, which I wouldn't want, its nice that the letters are maintained.
Only if someone else can confirm that this is in the current release version rather then the current beta version.
Phil, you should add this to the Tips wiki. Only if someone else can confirm that this is in the current release version rather then the current beta version.
Good point
Added.
[Y]
I check and found that behavior is the same in notes, although I'm not sure if it's beta only.
Probably the same throughout the program. I just noticed that Reftagger does the same.
In release version it works in Notes, Search, & Guides.
Edit: Search worked for Basic, but Bible searches always reverted back to references which did not have the a, f, or ff.
Thank you for noticing! Logos 4 is full of tiny refinements like this that were never even entioned, and it's nice to hear when someone notices.
Way cool.
What does this mean? There are so many way cool's and such. I do not understand what it is.
Titus 1:5f means "Titus chapter 1, verse 5 and following." It is a way some authors use to condense a reference. What it really means is"Titus chapter 1, verse 5, and the verse that follows verse 5." Why this is cool is that if you make a passage list based off an academic resource you won't accidentally miss this reference. Titus 1:5ff means "Titus 1:5, and keep reading a bit after the verse to get the whole thought of the verse."
If you want to get an idea for how an author might use the format do a search of your entire library for :5ff Change the number if you don't get any hits. In my library that search yields 949 results, so you should get something.
My above search got me curious about something else. Does a search for Joshua 4:7 return a hit for Joshua 4:6ff? Sure enough, it did. That is really cool! Further investigation found that Joshua 4:6ff referred to Joshua 4:6-16. Since vs. 16 doesn't conclude a pericope it seems that "ff" arbitrarily references 10 verses forward. This was the result from the resource "1000 Illustrations for Preaching and Teaching."
However when I did a search for Titus 1:6 in "MacArthur, John: 1 Corinthians. Chicago : Moody Press, 1996" It did not find a hit at Titus 1:5ff. I'm assuming this is because this resource has not been rebuilt yet.
Bob,
This feature is very interesting.
I have only had a short look, but so far, it seems that links like "John 3:16ff" have been processed, but "John 3:16 ff" have not. I.E. when there is a space.
Is this a "formal" feature, or just something that works at times?
Do you want typo reports for all the places where the "f" or "ff" codes have not been picked up by the linking process?
Is there a formal spec for how far, or how many verses are included for an "ff" link?
Another added benefit is in notes. It allows pointing to a reference that when hovered over, or selected, shows the verse in some context.
For example: suppose you wrote a somewhat lengthy study note on a subject, and you wanted to reference a specific verse, but even though your reference is to just that verse you know that it would be better understood, or even remembered better in the future, by showing it's context. This "shortcut" allows this, without having to clutter your notes with multiple verse references.
The abbreviation itself is for the Latin word "Folio", meaning "and pages following". (although in modern grammatical use, it has come to mean "and immediately following")
Thank you Philip and Paul for the answer and how it can work for us. Is this related to James 1:1a what is that a? are there other short hand things?
Using this ff anotation, is it special or something? I just don't see how its better or worse than Titus 4:5-12 or does that ff indicate something more?
a is the first part of a verse; b is the second part etc. usually the "parts" are phrases or clauses. f is following "line". ff is longer and less specific.
I just don't see how its better or worse than Titus 4:5-12 or does that ff indicate something more?
IMHO it is the ability of ff to mean "read as much as it takes to get the sense" that makes it a good thing.
that describes very well the why I've always looked at it.
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