Extremely Urgent Request

Please bring back the Go box on the Home Page. It was very nice to enter a passage and to instantly get a Passage Guide and an Exegetical Guide opened at the same time.

It's kind of a serious step backwards having to go to the command box enter a passage, wait for the drop down menu to produce options and then choose a lay out option just to find out it's only a passage guide and no exegetical guide included.

It's also a serious step backwards to have to create separate passage guide and separate exegetical guide to be able to study the same passage. Extremely unpractical!

The Go box was something very extremely practical and had been useful for years. Why change it to something so unpractical? I don't get it.

If you could bring the Go box on the Home Page it would make Logos 8 perfect, but as it is right now, it creates more work rather than help minimize it.

Thanks!

DAL

Ps. Yes double posting here and in the General side of the forum. I think it needs to be fixed in the sense that it needs to go back to the way it was. This "create your own lay out" trend, we had that already when we customized, there was no need to alter it and have "create every single lay out you want" thing. For something that it only took one step to make, now it takes 8 steps to make ironic, isn't it? It Makes no sense.

1. Step one: Go to the command box

2. Step two: Type your passage

3. Step three: Wait for drop down menu to populate

4. Step four: click go on the lay out option, but then, only the passage guide opens, no exegetical guide tab like it used to do. So if you want the exegetical guide.

5. Step five: Click on the guides icon

6. Step six: Click on the exegetical guide option

7. Step seven: type the passage you want

8. Step eight: Click go or hit enter to populate results.

I know the 8 steps and Logos 8 is a cute coincidence but trust me, is not funny. Too time consuming!

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Justin Gatlin

If you customize your passage guide layout to include an exegetical layout, would that do the trick?

DAL

If you customize your passage guide layout to include an exegetical layout, would that do the trick?

Thanks, but no, and that's the point; it creates extra unnecessary work. Read the PS section I added to my post. If you do that, you'd have to customize for every single passage you want to study, so is not feasible.

Thanks!

DAL

Reuben Helmuth

If you do that, you'd have to customize for every single passage you want to study, so is not feasible.

This is not true. This screenshot shows a layout that opened by typing "gen 3 16" into the command box and hitting enter (I did NOT wait for the list to populate).

To get this behavior, set up your layout however you like and with as many different guides as you like (you'll notice I have a custom guide called "words" in my layout), then simply choose "replace with current layout" at the Home Page Layouts/Passage Study.

Note: this is on L8.2 and I'm aware that there were some changes since 8.0, so if you're not seeing this behavior, update to 8.2 (shipping in the next day or two, I believe).

Graham Criddle

If you do that, you'd have to customize for every single passage you want to study, so is not feasible.

That is not correct.

If you customise the Passage Study in the Home Page Layouts section to include an Exegetical Guide it will open when selecting this option from the command box.

Edit: Sorry - I hadn't seen Reuben's much better post

MJ. Smith

Please bring back the Go box on the Home Page. It was very nice to enter a passage and to instantly get a Passage Guide and an Exegetical Guide opened at the same time.

It's kind of a serious step backwards having to go to the command box enter a passage, wait for the drop down menu to produce options and then choose a lay out option just to find out it's only a passage guide and no exegetical guide included.

It's also a serious step backwards to have to create separate passage guide and separate exegetical guide to be able to study the same passage. Extremely unpractical!

The Go box was something very extremely practical and had been useful for years. Why change it to something so unpractical? I don't get it.

You do realize that you can customize the Passage Study Guide (or other Guide of your choice) to include both the Passage Guide and the Exegetical Guide or even to completely duplicate the L7 GO box format? So that the effort is:

1. Step one: Go to the command box

2. Step two: Type your passage

3. Step three: Wait for drop down menu to populate

4. Step four: Click on the Passage Study Guide.

Yes, you do have to customize the layout once .... but many of us did that in L7 ....I grant you that the way in which the GO box and command box were combined is a bit confusing to get what one wants. We have to unlearn old patterns as well as learn new ones.

Justin Gatlin

Others have already explained how to permanently edit the layout that the Go box generates. I think for the average new user, removing the Exegetical Guide is a good move toward simplicity and clarity. If I imagine getting one of our Sunday School teachers to use Logos, the behavior is exactly what I would want for them. Since power users can get the behavior we want too, there is no real tradeoff.

The only thing I think might have worked better would be if Logos had a first time setup questionnaire (a settings wizard), where things like this were set based on your answers.

DMB

Others have already explained how to permanently edit the layout that the Go box generates. I think for the average new user, removing the Exegetical Guide is a good move toward simplicity and clarity. If I imagine getting one of our Sunday School teachers to use Logos, the behavior is exactly what I would want for them. Since power users can get the behavior we want too, there is no real tradeoff.

The only thing I think might have worked better would be if Logos had a first time setup questionnaire (a settings wizard), where things like this were set based on your answers.

Excellent design guide. Perfectly excellent.

SineNomine

Others have already explained how to permanently edit the layout that the Go box generates. I think for the average new user, removing the Exegetical Guide is a good move toward simplicity and clarity. If I imagine getting one of our Sunday School teachers to use Logos, the behavior is exactly what I would want for them. Since power users can get the behavior we want too, there is no real tradeoff.

I remember accidentally opening the Exegetical Guide in pre-8 and having to wait for it to populate before I could do anything. I'm fine with the new system. I imagine that most of the time the Passage Guide was opened by most users pre-8, the Exegetical Guide was not (intentionally) consulted.