History of the antichrist
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To research on why the reformers got the idea:
This is not the place to debate human behavior or the history of ideas. Be glad that I have the self-control to generally not tell forum members what I think of their theology. Given the number of people and traditions using Logos we probably have nearly every heresy, schism and false doctrine represented.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I was generally defining it. Meaning, an against-God's-representative.
I understand and agree. I had read it too narrowly.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Just ordered the AntiChrist book. By the way I did order his first two vols on The Foundations of Mysticism as you suggested awhile ago.
thanks again Denise. You're awesome!
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From Tom's list, I was looking at McGinn. He has quite a few, but one on 2,000 years of the antiChrist:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060655437/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p2_i11
Not expensive, but the reviews get excited.
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MJ.
Milkman wants information about the Antichrist. He wants recommendation of resources in historical view. At least that is what I understood.
Maybe he has not considered that there is information about that entity, in other resources he has. I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.
I am not discussing with Milkman about the Antichrist, just providing leads to where he can direct some focus for research.
I am not saying that it is the ultimate guide, just some pointers.
I myself do not think the Pope is the antichrist. I did not start a discussion about that because that was not what Milkman asked about.
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Milkman wants information about the Antichrist
From my perspective you presented seven theological points as if they were facts, gave no references for Milkman to follow up, and provide no tie into Logos.
He wants recommendation of resources in historical view.
If you provided recommendation of resources, even with your theological points, you would be within the forum guidelines. Or, if you tied it into the actual use of Logos ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.
I don't know if you believe what you read or wrote, but I was really troubled by two things you had posted that I felt were prejudiced.
I appreciate that you're trying to help give Milkman some ideas of what he can research, but some of these viewpoints might come across as more hurtful than helpful.
I did not start a discussion about ...
Just providing a controversial lead, even if people don't reply to it, can be problematic.
I think it's best for all of us to try to follow the forum rules, and post theological viewpoints at a different site such as ChristianDiscourse.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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From my perspective you presented seven theological points as if they were facts, gave no references for Milkman to follow up, and provide no tie into Logos.
I use the qualifier supposedly, maybe, etc. to demonstrate those are hypothesis that need to be analyzed for possible validity.
Or, if you tied it into the actual use of Logos ...
The assumption is that he will use Logos to get the details of key concepts and terms from a different perspective. I do not know what resources he has, so I cannot tell him what will the results of his search will be.
I could do a search in my Library, and post what I find, but in my view that will not only violate guidelines, but copyrights also.
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Just providing a controversial lead, even if people don't reply to it, can be problematic.
Which makes a good point, who determines what is a controversial lead?
I am not arguing with Milkman about anything, I am just telling him that there are certain thrusts that historically have been associated with the Antichrist and that come straight from the Bible.
I assume that Milkman wants to get to the root of the perceived problem some believers have with the antichrist, if is a future event.
Does not Milkman have a right to investigate for himself to try to elucidate truth from the Bible to see if things are so?
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The forum guidelines say, "Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics."
who determines what is a controversial lead?
there are certain thrusts ... that come straight from the Bible
Does not Milkman have a right to investigate for himself to try to elucidate truth from the Bible to see if things are so?
Those types of discussions are better suited for a different web forum.
We should cooperate with the guidelines, and limit our discussion to Logos Bible Software.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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The forum guidelines say, "Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics."
Now, Petah. How can a gay, jewish guy, who rejected either YHWH or Jesus (not sure), and takes over a floating really-big city, be controversial? Granted, it sounds like the mid-1930s in Germany, but gee, what could happen? Yes, I'm agreeing. Some things seem too obvious.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I agree Petah, but what of Milkman? If he wants to know more about the antichrist, is it fair to let him know there are some very controversial issues?
Those issues are not to be discussed nor debated here. But I see no problem to mention them so he can do his research and come to his own conclusions.
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Denise:
Would not it be better to research and see why some believers have thought that way? Daniel 11:37.
Do not let contextual lived reality get in the way of studies:
The problem may not be that the antichrist in the hypothesis is supposedly Jew, (as true practicing Jews are a blessing to the world in any era), the problem is the supposed apostasy that happens.
What would make a person apostate? hope is not the ostrich attitude of hiding from strong, important, and controversial issues, and the taking action to prevent further problems (in a godly way, not unethical).
With the LGSBT move on the rise (having legit legal issues), how can we keep a check on the possible taking over by a charismatic leader (with really an anti Christ agenda), and prevent the use of such movement to unleash destruction on true believers, if the interpretation of Daniel is right about the antichrist?
Then the Al Mahdi question: can we do something to improve relations with Muslims to avoid pushing them into a coalition against Christians, or is clash inevitable?
So what is the responsibility of christians looking at possible future scenarios, and trying to ring the alarm, while some others still think the Pope is a problem?
Are general christians being misdirected as to the real threat?
The only fully orthodox Being in the Universe is God. But we should give some serious thought to hypothesis like the Al Mahdi, etc. lest it not catch us unprepared if proven true.
To compare the above with nazi Germany is in my opinion missing the point.
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Hamilton
I have reported this post as abuse.
I hope that Faithlife will take some action on dealing with the matter.
On a personal note I find many of your assertions out of place and offensive.
They are spoiling my enjoyment of the forums.
So I would ask you, as others have done to stick to the practical use of Logos Software and its efficient use on the various platforms it is presented on.
tootle pip
Mike
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can we do something to improve relations with Muslims to avoid pushing them into a coalition against Christians
For people with a historical bent, see https://aleteia.org/2017/06/28/st-francis-and-the-sultan-an-encounter-of-peace-between-christians-and-muslims/ I don't have Verbum up to find Logos versions.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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If he wants to know more about the antichrist, is it fair to let him know there are some very controversial issues?
Then please think (twice) about privately messaging him with these controversial views, instead of posting them.
But I see no problem to mention them
These are very controversial issues that come across as prejudiced, offensive, racist, and hateful of specific religions, peoples, etc.
Posting someone else's hateful views is not justified even if your goal is to help someone else understand that there are hateful views they should research.
I hope you understand that I have nothing against you. Just please try to keep in mind that this type of controversy doesn't belong on the Logos forum.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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"we probably have nearly every heresy, schism and false doctrine represented."
Present!
[<:o)]"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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"we probably have nearly every heresy, schism and false doctrine represented."
Present!
Precisely why I value you in the forum community. [:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ thanks for the link.
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Milkman, for a different hypothesis:
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Well I really didn't think the Post would go like this.
However, I just want to thank everyone for their very helpful advice and leads.
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Well I really didn't think the Post would go like this.
Milk freezes on the porch.
I just finished a terribly written book on Christianity and the (literal) body as a source of theologies. It had lots and lots of interesting points. It even spoke to why there's so many ladies headed straight for heaven (he suggested instead, the guys, hormones, etc, as I also suspected and Jesus hinted at).
But he also spoke to apocalyptic, antiChrists, etc. That part was depressing. Unfortunately, it's connected to the lower/older part of the brain. Not easy to consciously manage.
Ok, important tip: never ship frozen cranberries to Arizona. We did that. No frozen milk, though.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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You are welcome Milkman, do not let the situation discourage you from keeping researching interesting and important topics.
If you want more input on different topics you may try to start a page in Faithlife for a group to mention different angles for studying a topic (not arguing about the topics themselves).
Each has the responsibility to check to see if the suggested theological constructs jibe with the thrusts of the Bible and with the nature and character of God. Such is an undelegable responsibility of each true believer.
Thanks to your input, I was able to get the resource I posted, I will try to read it, as is a topic that I did not go in deeply at the time I browsed about, to try to see which conjecture seems to best fit the available evidence we have.
Blessings.
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Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist?
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Found this website called Antichrist File at: www.antichristfile.com
Contains a lot of very intriguing information.
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Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist?
mm.
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Found this website called Antichrist File at: www.antichristfile.com
Contains a lot of very intriguing information.
So, you're milkman
Then True North
And now its
Von Helton
As a last resort.
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With that inundation of snow
True North's
The way to go [shovel]
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So, you're milkman
Then True North
And now its
Von Helton
As a last resort.
xxxxxx
With that inundation of snow
True North's
The way to go [shovel]
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Huh?
THE ANTICHRIST IS IDENTIFIED AT: www.royalblood.vip
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