the new Logos 8 Notes Tool - loss of Logos 7 Note file functionality
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Hi Dave
thanks for your reply. Just to double check, does this process of switching to the Logos 7 notes come without the SYNCING issues which was a former concern?
best wishes
Michael
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hi Petah
thanks for your reply.
I have brought the issue to the forums quite late considering the impact on my workflow. It is not simply disruptive but disastrous to my long established workflows in several professional contexts. I would correspond directly with logos if I ought, as I did with Dan over the split screen issue around 2011. Now the forums seem more appropriate. I'm spending enormous amount of time using work arounds with much less functionality, not what I had expected to have been investing in.
In addition I'm reporting the issue while trying to describe something of my patterns of working which are very powerful and I'm quite sure Logos developers and many other Logos users have not stumbled across or realised. Some might benefit from it aswell.
i appreciate two sets of notes might at first seem complicated, but I have left it to Logos developers to work with the idea. I would more particularly sugge4sted not calling both "notes" but have quite different names, like "clippings" are different to notes. etc etc.
I would hope every Logos development only improves the program, that is what we all expect and hope for. I would hope there is additional functionalityuh in the new notes tool that is great. That is not my point, my point is the loss of something great and I'm confident Logos did not realise the power they had created in the potential of the former notes, and I'm still not sure logos has fully grasped it yet, or they would nto have overlooked it so easily. If I had been fully warned of the impact of switching to the new logos 8 notes tools i would not have done it, and would have waited until the new notes system had turned out better in the long run, but the new Logos notes tool not being there yet has been a disaster for me. I'm glad the interaction with the favourites menu and notes has been restored and that the titles in the windows tabs are on the way... just need the titles in the context menu returned and that should be most of it....
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
If I had been fully warned of the impact of switching to the new logos 8 notes tools i would not have done it
as Dave said above, you can switch back to the old system if it works better for you.
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hi thanks for your reply.
.. and switch back without the SYNCING issues formerly reported..?
best wishes
Michael
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Thank you everyone for your feedback.
Michael Perry said:I'm not yet confident you/Logos does yet understand my request perfectly , without acknowledgement of the signficance of the associated functionality
I do understand you, Michael. So far, everything you've said since my previous post is consistent with my understanding of your position. We do understand the significance of the missing functionality; that's why we have provided means to switch back to using Logos 7 notes until the new system is at parity.
Michael Perry said:I would like to see both the old LOGOS 7 Notes Documents system and the new LOGOS 8 NOTES Tool running simultaneously
This is not under consideration. For the time being you can choose on or the other (on the desktop application; there is no means of switching to old notes on mobile or web apps). The old notes system will be phased out later this year, when the Notes tool is feature-complete.
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Dave Hooton said:
I am amazed that a note/highlight can end up in "No Notebook"; which can't be listed as a Filter item, but there is an obvious invitation to move it to a named Notebook.
This decision was made in part based on future/planned functionality; namely, the ability to filter based on facets for highlight palettes and styles. We aren't working on that right now, since our focus is on parity with old notes. In the meantime, you can still set highlights from specific palettes to save in a particular notebook or the active notebook (default).
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Michael Perry said:
Just to double check, does this process of switching to the Logos 7 notes come without the SYNCING issues which was a former concern?
I'm not sure about the issues to which you refer.
I checked that new notes/highlights in the old system will sync/transfer to the Notes tool. But you should be careful about updating notes, because you may already have updated them in the Notes tool (the transfer is only from old system to New).
Dave
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hi Adam
can you add a SPLIT SCREEN to "CLIPPINGS DOCS" -???
this would help a lot with my request for restoration of functionality--
as CLIPPINGS DOCS already have titles in the windows tabs that show up in the CONTEXT MENU
( -also to be able
a) / to INDENT clippings in the split screen in a clippings docs
b) and a Corresponding HIGHLIGHT with the clipping which can be read in the resource, ie a yellow text highlight or a red underline in and corresponding to the book which the "clipping" is taken from etc
c) and vary NOTE HIGHLIGHTS and ICONS directly from clippings)
many thanks
Michael
ps then would effectively have the LOGOS 7 NOTE DOCS and LOGOS 8 NOTES TOOL running side by side?
and users can choose how to use the system/s?
But - "CLIPPINGS DOCS" need not feature in the NOTES TOOL tags system, ( plausbily, but not essentially... unless the CLIPPINGS DOIC has been sent to the NOTES TOOL
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Michael Perry said:
ps then would effectively have the LOGOS 7 NOTE DOCS and LOGOS 8 NOTES TOOL running side by side?
Sorry Michael but I don't understand.
While there is some overlap between notes and clippings there are a lot of significant differences as well
Can you expand a bit further please?
Sorry - I hadn't seen your points a-c above which provide more context.
That would be quite a significant change to the way Clippings work. From prior conversations I think the more likely change is that Clippings merge with the new Notes Tool. But no commitment / timescales to this as yet.
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hi Graham
at present CLIPPINGS work similarly to LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCS in so far as text is copied from a resource and link formed- so the selected text features in the clippings doc and when clicked the resource it was taken from shows up.
Also the clippings docs TITLE feautres in the WINDOWS TAB and CONTEXT menu, and its title is retained when dragged off to the favourites menu
the word processor in the clippings doc is good.
So 1/ if the link between the clippings file- of text- also had a highlight on it- then the resource is effectively highlighted as well
also
2/ if the CLIPPINGS DOC had a few features to help organise the file- such as SLIT SCREEN, INDENTABLE highlights in the split screen, and creration fo blank clippings- then the CLIPPINGS DOC could be organised for larger amount of clippings into a usable resource in its own right
is this explanation adequate? Maybe what I'm describing is quite simple, .....?
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
at present CLIPPINGS work similarly to LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCS in so far as text is copied from a resource and link formed- so the selected text features in the clippings doc and when clicked the resource it was taken from shows up.
Also the clippings docs TITLE feautres in the WINDOWS TAB and CONTEXT menu, and its title is retained when dragged off to the favourites menu
the word processor in the clippings doc is good.
Absolutely.
And one of the reasons for this still working in this way is that each Clipping is a separate Document with its own name - as opposed to Notes in the new system (as per earlier discussions)
Michael Perry said:So 1/ if the link between the clippings file- of text- also had a highlight on it- then the resource is effectively highlighted as well
True - but this is most likely to happen, in my view, by integrating Clippings into the Notes Tool not by enhancing the current Clippings functionality.
Michael Perry said:2/ if the CLIPPINGS DOC had a few features to help organise the file- such as SLIT SCREEN, INDENTABLE highlights in the split screen, and creration fo blank clippings- then the CLIPPINGS DOC could be organised for larger amount of clippings into a usable resource in its own right
Yes - and one of the things that needs to be brought into the new Notes Tool in Split screen support (#11 on the upcoming features list).
And indenting Notes has been deprecated so unlikely to be added to Clippings.
Michael Perry said:is this explanation adequate? Maybe what I'm describing is quite simple, .....?
Very clear thanks - but as per above I don't expect this functionality to be added to the current Clippings environment
But this is all speculation on my part!
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hi Graham
thanks for your reply.
I posted the points about upgrading the functionality of the CLIPPINGS DOCS in the hope it might have been a simple way for Logos of restoring the lost/overlooked functionality.,...which is taking a long time to be returned.. and not sure exactly how it will be...
too long for me,... I've wasted so much time and work..becuase I have relied on Logos and invested heavily in it... but ..I'm giving up waiting...on the basis it is safe to do so I'm about to return to LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCS ....but I cannot afford further LOGOS disruptions, sync problems or the like..I need the software to function properly...but I'm sure it will be ok, as posted in this forum here above
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
so I'm about to return to LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCS ...
This is the reasonable choice. I suspect Logos should have made it the default in the Logos 8 upgrade.
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hi Adam
can you confirm it is ok to safely switch back to LOGOS 7 Notes, and to use it as before creating new notes and NOTES DOCUMENTS?
Of course, there is the Logos 8 Web page giving the red letter warning,,,,
We strongly recommend that you switch back to the new notes system before creating any notes. Creating notes in the old notes system may cause sync and data errors when switching back to the new Notes tool.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018336332
which means it is NOT advisable to swtich back and create new notes? ?
best wishes
Michael
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hi Adam
can you confirm it is ok to safely switch back to LOGOS 7 Notes, and to use it as before creating new notes and NOTES DOCUMENTS?
Of course, there is the Logos 8 Web page giving the red letter warning,,,,
We strongly recommend that you switch back to the new notes system before creating any notes. Creating notes in the old notes system may cause sync and data errors when switching back to the new Notes tool.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018336332
which means it is NOT advisable to swtich back and create new notes? ?
best wishes
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
hi Adam
can you confirm it is ok to safely switch back to LOGOS 7 Notes, and to use it as before creating new notes and NOTES DOCUMENTS?
Of course, there is the Logos 8 Web page giving the red letter warning,,,,
We strongly recommend that you switch back to the new notes system before creating any notes. Creating notes in the old notes system may cause sync and data errors when switching back to the new Notes tool.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018336332
which means it is NOT advisable to swtich back and create new notes? ?
best wishes
Michael
Keep in mind that you post this the first time on a Saturday. You re-posted at 7:10 AM Bellingham time. I doubt the forums will be a priority for Adam on Monday morning.
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hi Fredc
thanks for yoru reply. Sorry about posting and reposting.
I'm in the UK so I posted on Friday and Monday. I would still hope for an answer from someone from Logos though, as the question is important I've been really struggling for weeks and weeks with the issue.
It is difficult to really grasp the loss of functionality has been overlooked by the Logos developers and its return taking such a long time,.... IF...the error I've copied from the Logos support web page is correct........because it would mean I'm going to remain in a mess... and no one to help..
.Maybe I will seek an answer else ther than the forums.
thanks for the heads up
Michael
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Michael Perry said:
its return taking such a long time
Releases are on a six week cycle. The current beta is due to go stable the first or second week of March. The changes you have suggested are not in the current beta. I have no idea what improvements and features will be included in the next release, but even If they are, that release will likely not go stable until the middle or end of April.
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Happy American Presidents' Day, Michael.
You can use command to switch back to the old notes system without any risk of losing data. We put a not-so-subtle warning on that page because there are a number of subtle complexities you could encounter:
- Old Notes syncs to New Notes, but not vice versa. Any notes that you have created or edited in the new Notes tool will not appear in your old note documents-- including if you create new notes or highlights on the Logos web or mobile apps.
- Notes that are modified in the new system, and then in the old system will likely result in duplicates of those notes in the new Notes tool.
- The old notes system will eventually go away. We want to encourage users to understand and use the new Notes tool, even as we continue to work to bring it up to parity with certain aspects of the old system.
Here's a quick update on some of the features you have requested:
- Notebook titles now appear in the panel tab (8.3 beta, ships to all users March 4)
- Notebook titles in context menu: still under discussion. Not in 8.3, but likely in version soon after.
- Various new features in Clippings: not planned.
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hi Adam
thanks for your reply and reassurance.
I'll switch back to the Notes Tool if/when Titles re-appear in the Context menu, ,
(I only mentioned updating Clippings in case this had potential to be a straightforward way to restore functionality)
Many thanks
Michael
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hi Adam
just a quick note to say I'm new to the forums but a longstanding Logos user, and took the warnings about switching back to the Logos 7 notes seriously. If rather than that "not-so-subtle" warning LOGOS 8 NOTES WEB PAGE, there had been communication as thorough as your email now I'd have just swtiched back straight away and I would not have wasted so much time and work.... I expect I should have trawled through forums or double checked... but ....
I LOVE THE LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCUMENTS- I live with them daily, and have spent weeks and months organising them, they are great workhorses. I do not need my notes found for me in random collections, becuase I've already organised them in ways I remember as I use them, i like straightforward note files.
I appreciate many other LOGOS USERS are not power users of notes as I am..and it is really great the notes and notes tool is being developed....I'm flexible with change, BUT PLEASE be sure not to actually take away any of the existing functionality .. (MY functionality!) in the process.... there must be ways.....
The ways of working I've developed to enhance use of NOTES FILES by formatting into several different uses as documents in their won right, in combination with the FAVOURITES menu, creating a USER defined Library takes only a little self discipline and is well worth it, surely a very useful addition to the Logos system to raise awareness of, if no one else has worked it out yet.
best wishes
Michael
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