Matthew 24:3 in a Modern Greek Bible Translation
The ancient text of Matthew 24:3 reads:
“Καθημένου δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τοῦ ὄρους τῶν ἐλαιῶν προσῆλθον αὐτῷ οἱ μαθηταὶ κατ᾽ ἰδίαν λέγοντες· εἰπὲ ἡμῖν, πότε ταῦτα ἔσται καὶ τί τὸ σημεῖον τῆς σῆς παρουσίας καὶ συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος.”
One modern Greek Bible translation has rendered the verse in the following way:
“Ενώ καθόταν στο Όρος των Ελαιών, οι μαθητές τον πλησίασαν ιδιαιτέρως, λέγοντας: «Πες μας, πότε θα γίνουν αυτά, και ποιο θα είναι το σημείο της παρουσίας σου και της τελικής περιόδου του συστήματος πραγμάτων.»”
Is the modern translation correct when it renders the word συντέλεια with the phrase “final period” (τελική περίοδος)? Should the word be simply rendered as "end" (τέλος)?
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It is a question of whether the word συντέλεια implies a period of time or whether it simply means “end.” There are some contexts in ancient texts outside of the Bible where it is used interchangeably with the word τέλος (“end”). I am interested to know how Greek-speaking people understand the word συντέλεια at Mt 24:3.
Is the modern translation correct when it renders the word συντέλεια with the phrase “final period” (τελική περίοδος)? Should the word be simply rendered as "end" (τέλος)?
Maybe your question would be easier to respond to if you elaborated on what you think the difference is between the two. Are you suggesting that "end" is the absolute termination, and are you objecting to "final period" because that includes an indefinite but presumably short span of time culminating in the absolute termination? If so, you would seem to be objecting to an inclusion of "time allowing for events" that leads up to the absolute termination in the use of the term "end". If you object to such an inclusion, why?
These are the kinds of questions that must be clarified if we (generally speaking) are to avoid speaking past one another. Determining what the text is is only half the battle. The more important part is determining what it means. I am constantly surprised at the multiplicity of ways a text can be interpreted (ergo misinterpreted).
I'm making this point because the concern of encountering misunderstanding and misinterpretation isn't confined to the ancient texts under discussion. It is just as likely that we (generally speaking) will misinterpret what we are saying to each other about the texts. This can happen for a variety of reasons, such as lack of clear articulation and word choice, assumptions about what will be understood by a given comment, etc.
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I do not see much difference between the meanings of the words synteleia and telos in Mt 24:3, 6, 14. The word telos in vss. 6, 14 is the termination of the age. Since in the context, Jesus is speaking about the end rather than a long period of time, the word synteleia at Mt 24:3 can be understood simply as “end.” So vs. 3 seems to be referring to the same end which is mentioned in vss. 6 and 14.
There is no doubt that there are many differences between the modern and ancient Greek languages. My question pertains to the meaning of the ancient word συντέλεια as it is used in Mt 24:3. Modern Greek translations try to convey that meaning with modern Greek words. Therefore, I want to know whether the phrase τελική περίοδος (“final period”) is a correct modern translation of συντέλεια or whether συντέλεια should be translated simply as τέλος (“end”).
Not sure you will get much response here, since a working knowledge of Modern Greek is needed to make an informed reply, and I'm not aware of any folks here with that skill.
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can anyone simply explain
Since this forum is about Logos resources, and not personal interpretations....I don't want to presume anything about your familiarity with the Logos program, but are you aware of "Power lookup"?
Right click on a word in a Reverse-Interlinear, select the lemma in the popup, then select "Power Lookup". This will generate a window full of your resources that address the lemma so that you can make your own conclusions.
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I am aware of the function which looks up the definitions of a word in the available lexicons. I had read through all the definitions of the word συντέλεια in the lexicons which I have in BibleWorks and Logos Bible Software. It is not clear to me whether the word implies a period of time in some contexts. The definitions of the word seem to correspond more to “end; termination” rather than “final period of time.”
It is a question of whether the word συντέλεια implies a period of time or whether it simply means “end.” There are some contexts in ancient texts outside of the Bible where it is used interchangeably with the word τέλος (“end”). I am interested to know how Greek-speaking people understand the word συντέλεια at Mt 24:3.
When I have technical questions like this I take them to the Bible Hermeneutics Stackexchange. The folks over their know their onions and are free to discuss the textual interpretation of the bible, rather than simply how to use Logos tools to find it.
Word of warning, you do need to be clear and precise on what exactly you want to know - they can be a finicky bunch on occasion. That said, I don't think there is a better place to find answers to questions like yours. (Liam)
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