Windows 10 in 2020...

For those of us with Windows 7 on our machines, the requirement for Windows 10 starting January of 2020 brings something of a dilemma. We are going to have to either purchase that OS and install it on each of our current computers, or simply buy another one with Windows 10 already on it.

My question is: will there be an option for downloading resources and updates to a binary file of some sort, then transferring it from a Windows 10 computer to a Windows 7 one via our local network, and installing the new updates/resources that way...so the Windows 7 computers don't have to connect to the Internet?

I have no clue, of course, as to how difficult that would be. If I'm spinning my wheels here, I do apologize.

Blessings.

Paul L. White

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Kevin A

Hi Paul,

You can follow the instructions at https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers to save having to download and index everything again.

Paul L. White

Thank you, Kevin.

Right now I only have my main PC and a laptop. So I simply go through the normal update procedure with both instances of the software.

From reading the instructions, and focusing on Method 1, the only concern I would have is when we order, let's say, one book. Then we'd have to back up and copy the entire library each time, or so it appears.

Also, what if Logos just came out with an update from 8.4 to 8.5, let's say? Would the same steps still be in play?

Thank you so much.

Paul

PS I'm presuming that, between now and January, Logos will be aware of the dilemma, and create a routine (script) that people can use to transfer their updates to a Windows 7 machine. Blessings.

David Thomas

I'm presuming that, between now and January, Logos will be aware of the dilemma, and create a routine (script) that people can use

Just as Faithlife stopped supporting Windows Vista and older versions of MacOS, More likely they will abandon Win7 due to similar security concerns with older operating systems.

Dave Hooton

PS I'm presuming that, between now and January, Logos will be aware of the dilemma, and create a routine (script) that people can use to transfer their updates to a Windows 7 machine.

Unlikely, because Faithlife will also end their support of Win 7 installations i.e. no software updates (if Logos uses a version of .NET released after Jan 14, it won't work on Windows 7), so you will be stuck with a legacy version that does work. Resource updates would be available as normal, but those that require newer versions of Logos will not work.

Also, what if Logos just came out with an update from 8.4 to 8.5, let's say? Would the same steps still be in play?

That will happen within 6 weeks, but you should still be able to update normally. Why are you considering to remove the Internet?

Read the section Unsupported in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007391412 for further implications of remaining with Win 7.

Paul L. White

Dave Hooten: I am talking about what I will do in 2020 on my machines that still have Windows 7. Since I'm on fixed income, I'm thinking my solution at that time will be to buy a refurbished computer with Windows 10 already on it. That way I can keep using my older equipment.

But even if I bought a version of Windows 10 Pro, and put it on my current main PC, I will still have Windows 7 on my laptop.

The steps listed above in this post were for updating resources on another computer. But I wasn't clear as to whether they applied to when your software is updated to a newer version. I'm thinking strictly of January 2020. Like someone said, though, the newer updates of the software itself at that time probably won't work on Windows 7...so I will have to be content to strictly move my library resources to the laptop once mid January comes upon us, and even some of those might not work.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, and thank you for your time.

Paul

Jan Krohn

For those of us with Windows 7 on our machines, the requirement for Windows 10 starting January of 2020 brings something of a dilemma. We are going to have to either purchase that OS and install it on each of our current computers, or simply buy another one with Windows 10 already on it.

By the way, Microsoft is silently still supporting free upgrades from Win 7 to Win 10. Just install Windows 10 on top of Win 7, or do a fresh install and enter a Win 7 product key, and Windows 10 will be fully activated. There's no need to purchase anything from Microsoft to accomplish an upgrade.

Robert M. Warren

By the way, Microsoft is silently still supporting free upgrades from Win 7 to Win 10.

I didn't know that, which makes this a very valuable reply. Thanks, Jan! I just did this and everything worked fine, activation (silent; it just does it) and all.

For additional details, I found this page: https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/

Larry Craig

I thought that 10 cannot be installed over 7, that it needs a clean install. In fact, Windows recommends buying a new computer instead of installing it.

Tong Shin Kai Clarence

Windows 10 can definitely be upgraded from windows 7, however i am not sure if the free program is still available. If not might have to pay a fee. However upgrading to windows 10 might if the computer is too old suffer from performance degradation and slowness.

Larry Craig

I asked if 10 can be installed over 7, without cleaning the hard drive and then installing.

Bill Anderson

For those of us with Windows 7 on our machines, the requirement for Windows 10 starting January of 2020 brings something of a dilemma. We are going to have to either purchase that OS and install it on each of our current computers, or simply buy another one with Windows 10 already on it.

Just so you know, you are still able to update a validly-licensed copy of Windows 7 to Windows 10 without charge. Microsoft had a program in place for this that technically expired in 2016. However, you can still use the method to install Windows 10 for free on your Windows 7 computer. It's legal and legit. I did it about 2 months ago on my mom's Windows 7 computer.

Here is the link: Here's how you can still get a free Windows 10 upgrade

Paul L. White

Bill Anderson,

Thank you so much. And man do I wish I had heard from you back in April! :-)

The phrase "it's legal and legit" is what I couldn't get from my Googled sources. I kept reading "I'm not a lawyer, but...." and then "you can download."

So, since I want this for purposes of personal and, I hope, once-again, church ministry, I thought I'd better *make sure* I was legal, and bought a USB drive version of Windows 10 Professional from Amazon.

I sure appreciate your advice, and time, and information. I am going to save that link, in case I want to try doing that on my laptop. But I think it's a bit too old for Windows 10, as it is slower than the PC I'm now using, but has almost identical configuration (except for the video card added to this machine).

Gotta love advice from someone with the same name as one of my favorite Country Music singers!!! [:D]

Oh, PS: this machine I am using is a "refurbished" one bought 2 or 3 years ago from Sears. A technician worked on it to add memory, an extra hard drive for data, and remove all of the viruses (both my laptop and this machine are "refurbished" versions, and both had 26 viruses that needed to be removed).

What I'm *hoping*, and I may be just ignorant, is that, by having a full and paid for version, it can correct any deficiencies that were in the refurbished version of Windows 7. I presume the refurishers do some sort of gerry-rigging to make the install process faster, and it may not be a perfect install from them. I, obviously, don't know for sure, but hope I'm removing any doubtful installation issues with this purchased version of Windows 10. Blessings.

Dave Hooton

What I'm *hoping*, and I may be just ignorant, is that, by having a full and paid for version, it can correct any deficiencies that were in the refurbished version of Windows 7. I presume the refurishers do some sort of gerry-rigging to make the install process faster,

If you didn't get an original MS Win install disk, the Win 7 license could be 'invalid' and you'll have problems when trying to install on top of Win 7 (particularly with a free Win 10). Doing a fresh install with your paid version (wiping Win 7) would avoid any problems.

Paul L. White

Dave,

Arrgh! :-) I just finished finding a way to get the product key with a vbs script I copied and pasted into notepad, and saved as a .vbs file. So I will be sure and print those out before I start with Windows 10 install.

I was thinking I would go ahead and *try* to install Windows 10 over the Win 7, and let it keep the programs, just to see what would happen. I presume the option of Installing and removing the programs would still exist, if that first process didn't work.

Are you saying that you have to manually delete everything on Drive C *before* the Win 10 install? I keep my data files, for the most part, on a separate hard drive ("D"), and was planning to back those up before installing Windows 10.

If you choose to do a "fresh install," will Windows 10 go head and wipe the hard drive for you? Thanks.

PS I think it's possible, is it not, to save the Logos data files, before Windows 10 installs, to a data drive, then copy them back after it is finished, and save the 13 or 14 hours necessary to download and install a new Logos version?

Thanks for your time.

As a footnote, and you seem to be an administrator type person, I really respect Graham Criddle, and feel he was disrespected after his comment. Do I have a right to complain about that? Thanks.