LINKING THE NASB WITH THE NKJV
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You are absolutely correct JT. The notes I created in the nasb, I wanted to be copied to the nkjv through the visual filter (see below).
The issue as you know is that it did copy it into the nkjv through the "Notes and highlights corresponding", but it duplicated the notes sometimes even 4 times!
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JT: Below I have two screenshots which indicate a visual filter for both translations although I don't see the Exegetical Notes or the Illustrations boxes that it shows on your post (not on the search box either).
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I need to finish a couple projects here at home but wanted to respond real quick to three things:
- The “Exegetical Notes” and “Illustrations” boxes you see on my post are notebooks which I created... You will not have them unless you create them (and there is no reason for you to do so unless you want to put notes into notebooks with those names).
- It would be helpful for you to be more clear with what you mean by “copied.” You wrote: “The issue as you know is that it did copy it into the nkjv through the "Notes and highlights corresponding", but it duplicated the notes sometimes even 4 times! ” The use of the word “copy” or “copied” should not be used when talking about the ”corresponding“ feature. The notes are NOT copied from one translation to another. Rather, the note which is attached to one is SHOWN in the other (through the visual filter menu). Have you manually copied any notes?
- You have mentioned several times that notes have been duplicated, “even 4 times,” yet from your screenshots I haven’t seen even one duplicate note. Can you be explicit to point one out?
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JT, you are correct. I apologize for using the wrong wording. As for your question, I have no copied any notes.
The same notes taken from the NASB are showing 2, 3 or 4 times throughout the NKJV instead of just being one.
Please take a look at verse 16. You will notice that the NASB has one red note while the NKJV has 4 notes. All are exactly the same,
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Why do you think they are the same note? From the screenshots, they don’t appear to be! What happens when you delete one?
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Because I can see they are duplicates. Visually, you can compare the notes that are on one verse located on the left side with the notes that are on the parallel translation on the right and see the difference in the number of notes. As far as I'm concerned, I don't know why the notes that are shown are being duplicated 2, 3 or even 4 times. I have 26,000 plus notes on my NASB.
If I delete a particular note from the NKJV, all the "duplicates" disappear. With that, the original note on my NASB also disappears. In order to avoid that, I have to highlight my original note and use the "copy and paste" procedure to ensure I can recreate it again.
Now, if I recreate the deleted note on my NASB, the duplicates will show up again. But if I recreate my original note on the NKJV, it will remain as one note, but I will no longer have my original note on my NASB. I other words, I can't have both notes at the same time, (but I refer only to the ones that have been duplicated).
I think it is important to add that not all notes that are showing on my NKJV are being duplicated or triplicated.
This is too much work to do by hand. I'm really surprised that helpdesk will not take the time to investigate this issue and find out why it's happening.
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JT. I just tried something new. I clicked on my "notes and highlight corresponding" on my NASB without using the NKJV box of "notes and highlight corresponding", meaning, there is no link between these two translations
What happened is that it duplicated the notes to seven times on my NASB! Please look at verse four of the screenshot. These seven notes are identical. When I checked off the "notes and highlight corresponding" box, it went back to only one note.
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It is easier Joseph if you just embed the image in the forum, using the paperclip icon. Not everyone will have word, or will want to open it.
I have added your image for other to see.
Incidentally, there are 7 words in the nasb that are not in the greek in that verse, although verse 3 has 4 but not 4 extra notes, so maybe not related. Still, maybe could you please turn on your interlinear and then take a screen shot of the verse which will may show further details?
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Thanks, I will do it as you said and copy the screenshot to "paint" instead.
The note that I created is simply a personal observation of the verse of what I think it means. It has nothing to do with the Greek.
The screenshot of my duplicate notes is below,
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I was wondering why the corresponding duplicate notes in the NKJV appears specifcally where they do, eg in Mt4:4 why are there four note icons and some text, and then three note icons? Why at those positions? Viewing the interlinear may help.
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Joseph Luna said:
This is too much work to do by hand. I'm really surprised that helpdesk will not take the time to investigate this issue and find out why it's happening.
I agree! The good news, however, is that I now know what is going on and everything is working "as expected." The bad news, however, is that you experience what you are seeing. It will be easier to illustrate with highlights.
Users have wanted the ability for many years to have the highlights appear from one translation into another. Over the years I have tried to explain to them some of the challenges of doing so. It would be one thing if a highlight ALWAYS included the entire verse, but that is not how highlighting works. Highlights are notes of SELECTION. The selection is key!
When you move from one translation to another, things like word order fly out the window. Consider the following screenshots. The first is the "source" translation (where the note was taken).
The "one" note (brown highlighter) appears to be THREE notes in the second translation, although it is really just one single note. This is exactly what you are seeing, with the exception that you are not using highlighters but rather note indicators.
Moving forward, you have three options:
- Attach the notes to the reference instead.
- Attach the note to a single word. NOTE: This may not be foolproof. If you attach the note to a single word which becomes TWO (or more) words in another translation, you would have multiple note indicators again.
- Continue to make the notes as you have, with the results you see.
This is not a "bug" but rather a necessary limitation of the software.
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Joseph Luna said:
It has nothing to do with the Greek.
Ah, but it does.
The only way for Logos to know "where" to place the note indicator in a different translation is by using the underlying original language material.
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Kevin said:
why are there four note icons and some text, and then three note icons? Why at those positions? Viewing the interlinear may help.
Yes, but see my screenshots (posted after you did). The reason for the "duplicate" note indicators is a change in word order.
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Thanks JT, that all makes sense now. [Y]
Edit - except for example in the Matt4:4 screen shot there is no text selected in that anchor, also word order in English/Greek not that difference, and not matching note positions. Something deeper I think.
Joseph could you a multiview with the NASB95 and NKJV and interlinear showing?
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Kevin: Is this what you are looking for?
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Kevin said:
Edit - except for example in the Matt4:4 screen shot there is no text selected in that anchor, also word order in English/Greek not that difference, and not matching note positions.
I think there may be several issues here, but I have diagnosed one.
For a second issue, are you talking about this screen shot?
If so, I think there may actually be duplicate notes (which was NOT the case with the other problem).
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You are right JT, I can see the other NKJV notes in that list.
I did create a single note for my Mt4:4 NASB after selecting the full text, and showing corresponding notes in the NKJV, you can see in image below that the note does repeat. Interestingly there is a slight manuscript difference at that point, not sure if this is the reason for the repetition at that point?
Joesph no I think it is something sort of repeatable, although I cannot fully replicate your problem because I cannot create a NASB specific note without selecting some text.
Your 'Matthew 4:4 NASB' note in JT's post above does not have any text selected. I can only replicate this by choosing a blank space in the verse and adding a note, however that note will not appear as a corresponding note in other bibles, presumably because there is no greek selected, so I will have to assume your note somehow selects the whole verse without actually displaying the text in the anchor.
You can see in this image I have highlighted the text showing the selected area....your bible specific notes seem to not have this.
Did you create this particular note in the the old note system on Logos 7 or earlier? It may be that they used to anchor like that, I do not recall as had very little use of the old system. Not that I think this will help your current issue, I am just curious.
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Hi Kevin, just to clarify, are you aware that these note duplications are found all over the nkjv when I use the corresponding notes? Sometimes they are duplicated once or more than once, but I don't know why. I can find the duplicates at random if I look for them.
As to your question, most of my created notes are old. They were made in Logos 7 or before.
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I would be polite, but call FL back and make them spend the time to help you. If they don't let me know and I will raise some cane.
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I will. Thank you, [Y]
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