Question on Atlas Tool & Its Status
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Sean, thanks for your help with this.<snip>
This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy). But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond. For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).
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Rick, I'd like to better understand the Atlas slowness you're experiencing on your system. For example, on my modern MacBook Pro just now:
- I restarted Logos, and then started from the Factbook page on the Arnon River and clicked on the map in the Media section with tooltip Battles of the Wandering Israelites.
- I'd say it took about 7 seconds to open the Atlas panel, bring up the map, zoom in and show the orange circle.
- Having loaded the map, zooming and panning seem nearly instantaneous
- Switching to a different map in the sidebar takes a few seconds at most
What's your experience like?
First, I apologize for not responding sooner. I haven't had much time to be on the forum the last few days or to use Logos for the past week or so. And available time for the next couple of weeks may be spotty as well so it may be a while before I'm able to provide timely replies.
Now down to business. This morning I started Logos and opened the Atlas. It opened to the last map I had used which was "From Athens to Thessalonica -- Timothy". It took 17 seconds to open and load the map, although it took a little longer to completely finish as I had the Atlas in "terrain" view and it continued rendering some of the terrain features for another 5 seconds or so.
Initially, I couldn't get the map to either tilt or rotate. It would zoom in and out, but wouldn't tilt or rotate. So I tried another map. Same scenario. So now I was confused, because as previously noted, although it had been slow, it had worked for me before. What I eventually figured out is that the tilt and rotate would not work UNTIL I dragged/moved the map. I didn't have to move it much, but it simply would not tilt or rotate any map I tried until I moved the map--even if ever so slightly.
After figuring that out, most of the requests to rotate or tilt the map would complete within 2-3 seconds, although I found I could not simply hold the arrow keys down to start and then continue a tilt or rotation process. I'd have to release, then re-press the arrow key in order to further tilt or rotate the map, AND if I didn't leave a second or two between the arrow key presses, subsequent presses were ignored (no further rotation or tilt). At the beginning of this paragraph I said most requests to rotate or tilt the map would complete with 2-3 seconds. But there were a few times when the map simply stopped responding, even though I was leaving a second or two between arrow key presses. One of the times, the map started responding again after a considerable delay (20-30 seconds?), but not as quickly as before. And a couple of times, I had to leave the map and reopen it to get it working again.
After playing with several maps in terrain mode I switched to flat mode to see if that made any difference in the behaviors experienced in terrain mode. All was the same except I noticed when rotating the map, the arrow indicating the map's rotation angle was not changing--it always pointed straight up and pressing it would not reset the map. I then switched back to terrain mode and noticed the rotation arrow was no longer moving in that mode either and as in flat mode, pressing the arrow would not reset the map.
In general, loading maps in flat mode was a little quicker then in terrain mode, with many flat maps loading in 5-7 seconds, though a few took a little longer. In terrain mode it varied a lot more, ranging from 5-20 seconds. I also noted that when using the filter to list only those maps that had "Timothy" in the title, the original map I started with this morning (From Athens to Thessalonice -- Timothy) opened with the map positioned (and IIRC zoomed differently) than when opening it from the full list of maps.
So...in general, the Atlas was responding faster than it has for me in the past--not sure why--hope to play with it again within the next week or so. But even with the better response times this morning, there were several glitches in behavior sometimes causing delays in response time, sometimes getting no response at all. So overall, even though response time was much better than in the past (including recent past), it still made for a rather confusing and unsettling experience.
Hope this helps.
Thanks again! [:)]
EDIT: One additional note regarding tilting the map. There is obviously a limit as to how far the map can/will tilt, but there is no message or indicator that I can see that lets you know you've reached that point--the map simply stops responding. But when it stops responding on my system, the map is not nearly at an extreme enough tilt angle to make me suspect I've hit the tilt limit. That leaves me waiting and thinking something is wrong. I think it would be helpful if some kind of message or indicator was provided to let the user know the tilt limit had been reached.
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DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!
Here is what I used for my collection. I also had to manually add three books for a total of 72 resources.
title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image
I like it! Gave me a few more results though I added one more to the list:
title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image OR mytag:atlas
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Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have.
The "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" is a traditional atlas. I don't know how many maps it has overall: but the chapter on Paul includes
- Saul's Early Years
- The traditional maps of 3 missionary journeys and his journey to Rome (in a few versions)
- A map on International Gateways of the Northeastern Mediterranean
- The Jerusalem Council
Atlas, by contrast, isn't a prose resource, and includes zoomable (not static) maps for biblical stories. It has about 35 maps covering the life of Paul, so the maps are more fine-grained. The Biblical Places Maps are more like a traditional atlas resource.
Out of the two, which would you recommend first, the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" or "The Biblical Places Maps" although I do not see the latter listed for sale by Logos.
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Out of the two ...
Bootjack, Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.
Rose is a specialty atlas. If you wanted the best, a new thread with what you prefer ... forum mappers have great advice. That's how I found Zondervan.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks for the update Denise!
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I mentioned Zondervan (edited post above) because it operates similar to Atlas. It has the usual historical section, etc. But most important a dictionary by place. This latter includes a small discussion (hooks to a Bible using a CitedBy panel), and then a choice of maps for the location. This latter is also good since there's a popup letting you know what the clickable map discusses ... saves mindlessly bouncing across maps.Thanks for the update Denise!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.
Biblical Places Maps is available in all Feature Sets, and Connect subscriptions. It appears in Library, but it has lost the ease of viewing it had in Logos 4/5.
Dave
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Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.
Biblical Places Maps is available in all Feature Sets, and Connect subscriptions. It appears in Library, but it has lost the ease of viewing it had in Logos 4/5.
Used to be purchasable, if I remember.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I think biblical Place Maps could go from a Ok resource to a great resource with a few changes.
Like a commentary list all the scripture verses related to the map event so you can link your bible and it will automatically scroll to the right event map. When you in the Bible double click on the city and the map will automatically zoom in to the location. Right now you have to play with the Control F key. Then create a visual filter to show in your Bible the locations that are on that map.
I now logos philosophy is invest in Logos 8 maps but why not fix both. Logos 5 maps are more colorful.
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I mentioned Zondervan (edited post above) because it operates similar to Atlas. It has the usual historical section, etc. But most important a dictionary by place. This latter includes a small discussion (hooks to a Bible using a CitedBy panel), and then a choice of maps for the location. This latter is also good since there's a popup letting you know what the clickable map discusses ... saves mindlessly bouncing across maps.Thanks for the update Denise!
Is the something one can purchase from Logos?
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Out of the two ...
Bootjack, Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.
Rose is a specialty atlas. If you wanted the best, a new thread with what you prefer ... forum mappers have great advice. That's how I found Zondervan.
Would you consider Rose as good or better than Atlas?
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Would you consider Rose as good or better than Atlas?
Someone else will need to answer about Rose. Being a bit catty-ish, I can't imagine a sellable atlas equal to Atlas.
Regarding Zondervan:
https://www.logos.com/product/26727/zondervan-atlas-of-the-bible
Keep in mind Zondervan and me don't get along. But this atlas is so interesting (I have to make an exception). The MVP-guy in Europe recommended it to me, I think. It was tough pushing the Buy button.
Anyway in the dictionary part, you have all the locations, of course. Then for each, a short description, and where ref'd in the Bible. Map coordinates, if you're automating. Miles and direction from more well known places, the modern name where available, and then the maps that show it, each with a pop up as above.
I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Got ya Denise. Thanks so much for the info. Presently I'm nearing a comatose state to attempt asking anything half intelligent but the map-tag thing sounds interesting. Let me get back to you sometime regarding that. Thank you again.
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In my opinion Rose Maps are far better than Zondervan. There are more maps and they stick with local events better. Rose Maps have many of the Carta Bible Atlas Maps which is the top of the line Bible Atlas. The New Moody Bible Atlas would be my second choice.
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Denise, when I saw the map and read Mattillo's reply, I had exactly the same thought about it. I would not have seen that as a river and was very disappointed to think that Faithlife saw that as a way to locate/label a river on a map.Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...
I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'. I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping.
On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'.
I suppose I'd have to allow for it as being adequate and that I should have seen it as a river, provided there's a clear legend on the map showing that is how rivers are represented, but even in that case, from my perspective, it's just not good map-making practice and not very user friendly.
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I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.
Could you explain what you mean by a "map tag" & and how one sets that up?
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I think biblical Place Maps could go from a Ok resource to a great resource with a few changes.
Like a commentary list all the scripture verses related to the map event so you can link your bible and it will automatically scroll to the right event map. When you in the Bible double click on the city and the map will automatically zoom in to the location. Right now you have to play with the Control F key. Then create a visual filter to show in your Bible the locations that are on that map.
I now logos philosophy is invest in Logos 8 maps but why not fix both. Logos 5 maps are more colorful.
You can link Atlas to your Bible, and then Atlas will display relevant maps for the current passage. Since there are often multiple maps (an overview and a story map), you'll have to pick which one you want.
Here's an example for Acts 13:1 (sorry for all the localized Atlas versions: English-only users will only see the two, Biblical World-The Early Church, and Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus).
If there are no story maps in Atlas (like Acts 12:18), you'll only see the overview map. Ctrl-F will find any places named in the passage.
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Denise, when I saw the map and read Mattillo's reply, I had exactly the same thought about it. I would not have seen that as a river and was very disappointed to think that Faithlife saw that as a way to locate/label a river on a map.Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...
I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'. I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping.
On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'.
I suppose I'd have to allow for it as being adequate and that I should have seen it as a river, provided there's a clear legend on the map showing that is how rivers are represented, but even in that case, from my perspective, it's just not good map-making practice and not very user friendly.
Making good maps involves a lot of design decisions and compromises. This map is a tough case, because the primary point of the map is to show the territories of the tribes that were gathered by Deborah and Barak. But the colored polygons that show that make some other details hard to see.
Here's a more typical Atlas map that shows the Kishon river. Our map styling is consistently a blue line for the river and a smaller, italic font for the label. If you zoom in, you'll typically see a label following the river line, often at multiple points depending on zoom level.
We've chosen a particular technical approach to support zooming, localization, and maintainability. That means we can't easily tweak some details like a static map: a map like this one is really more like 10 different maps at different zoom levels, with different labels and features hidden or shown depending on the zoom level.
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I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.
Could you explain what you mean by a "map tag" & and how one sets that up?
Hi Bootjack
Map tag is a Denise-ism for a plain-jane tag (library resources) named maps (and charts). You could equally drag your map resources into a collection (and name it as desired). Then, you put a CitedBy panel next to your Bible (Old Testament best of course). Click the Add button on the CitedBy panel, select your map resources tag or collection, then link the panel to your Bible. If this sounds complicated, it's really not.
I guess I've ended up with maybe 4 atlas, plus charts, so somebody's always referring to a Bible passage. The funny one is 1 Kings 8:5, where the accountants lost their inventory count. I was on the phone this morning because the state revenuers gave us back all our taxes (suddenly a big bank account!). When we called up to complain, they said 'Enjoy!' Sounded just like Solomon.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Sean:
I was talking about the Logos 5 maps.
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I stick all my atlas's in a map tag, then CitedBy it to my Old Testament layout. Very, very nice ... when a location, all my maps that show it.
Could you explain what you mean by a "map tag" & and how one sets that up?
Hi Bootjack
Map tag is a Denise-ism for a plain-jane tag (library resources) named maps (and charts). You could equally drag your map resources into a collection (and name it as desired). Then, you put a CitedBy panel next to your Bible (Old Testament best of course). Click the Add button on the CitedBy panel, select your map resources tag or collection, then link the panel to your Bible. If this sounds complicated, it's really not.
I guess I've ended up with maybe 4 atlas, plus charts, so somebody's always referring to a Bible passage. The funny one is 1 Kings 8:5, where the accountants lost their inventory count. I was on the phone this morning because the state revenuers gave us back all our taxes (suddenly a big bank account!). When we called up to complain, they said 'Enjoy!' Sounded just like Solomon.
Thank you so much Denise for the Denise-ism plan! I wouldn't have thought of that so your suggestion (instructions) are so much appreciated. When one gets a refund from the government for over-payment in income tax or other tax, it motivates that one to gallop right out to Starbucks for a grand celebration.
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Sean, this is a nice feature--I've used it before and do appreciate it. Thanks for pointing it out again.I think biblical Place Maps could go from a Ok resource to a great resource with a few changes.
Like a commentary list all the scripture verses related to the map event so you can link your bible and it will automatically scroll to the right event map. When you in the Bible double click on the city and the map will automatically zoom in to the location. Right now you have to play with the Control F key. Then create a visual filter to show in your Bible the locations that are on that map.
I now logos philosophy is invest in Logos 8 maps but why not fix both. Logos 5 maps are more colorful.
You can link Atlas to your Bible, and then Atlas will display relevant maps for the current passage. Since there are often multiple maps (an overview and a story map), you'll have to pick which one you want.
Here's an example for Acts 13:1 (sorry for all the localized Atlas versions: English-only users will only see the two, Biblical World-The Early Church, and Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus).
If there are no story maps in Atlas (like Acts 12:18), you'll only see the overview map. Ctrl-F will find any places named in the passage.
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Sean, I do not envy the design teams. So many things to consider. So many different audiences and needs. What to do, what to do???
Denise, when I saw the map and read Mattillo's reply, I had exactly the same thought about it. I would not have seen that as a river and was very disappointed to think that Faithlife saw that as a way to locate/label a river on a map.Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...
I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'. I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping.
On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'.
I suppose I'd have to allow for it as being adequate and that I should have seen it as a river, provided there's a clear legend on the map showing that is how rivers are represented, but even in that case, from my perspective, it's just not good map-making practice and not very user friendly.
Making good maps involves a lot of design decisions and compromises. This map is a tough case, because the primary point of the map is to show the territories of the tribes that were gathered by Deborah and Barak. But the colored polygons that show that make some other details hard to see.
Here's a more typical Atlas map that shows the Kishon river. Our map styling is consistently a blue line for the river and a smaller, italic font for the label. If you zoom in, you'll typically see a label following the river line, often at multiple points depending on zoom level.
We've chosen a particular technical approach to support zooming, localization, and maintainability. That means we can't easily tweak some details like a static map: a map like this one is really more like 10 different maps at different zoom levels, with different labels and features hidden or shown depending on the zoom level.
I fear I sometimes come across as a cranky old complainer. I am getting old, but don't mean to come across as either cranky or a complainer. I did re-read my post about this map the day after making it and wished I worded it differently, as I do think it sounded a bit haughty--my apologies for that. Unfortunately, it was too late to edit it.
Thank you for sharing the strategies you're trying to follow when producing the maps, and thanks for being so gracious in your replies to cranky, old, complainers.
I do appreciate all the decision making and hard work I know goes into these maps.
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this is a nice feature--I've used it before and do appreciate it.
Rick: How did you get the map to default to Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus? When I link my bible to the map and type in Acts 13:1 I get the Map for Biblical World-the Early Church. It doesn't seem to default to biblical events maps first. I tried both the ESV and NKJV.
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this is a nice feature--I've used it before and do appreciate it.
Rick: How did you get the map to default to Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus? When I link my bible to the map and type in Acts 13:1 I get the Map for Biblical World-the Early Church. It doesn't seem to default to biblical events maps first. I tried both the ESV and NKJV.
Hi, John! I had never made any attempt to link the Atlas to an entry for Acts 13:1--my comment to Sean was simply a generic comment that in the past, I had linked the Atlas to a Bible when doing some Bible reading. But after seeing your question, I did link the Atlas and a Bible and opened the Bible to Acts 13:1, resulting in the Atlas presenting a list of two maps that related to Acts 13:1.this is a nice feature--I've used it before and do appreciate it.
Rick: How did you get the map to default to Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus? When I link my bible to the map and type in Acts 13:1 I get the Map for Biblical World-the Early Church. It doesn't seem to default to biblical events maps first. I tried both the ESV and NKJV.
Here's what I did:
- Opened the NIV and assigned it to link-set "A".
- Opened the Atlas tool and assigned it to link-set "A".
- Opened the NIV to Acts 13:1
At that point, the Atlas replaced the generic list/index of all maps with just the following two maps:
- Biblical World -- The Early Church
- Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus
I selected "Paul and Barnabas on Cyprus".
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Hi Rick,
Sean asked me to look into some of the Atlas issues you pointed out. Thanks for the feedback.
----Regarding the slowness and load times...
My Atlas/map load times seem more in line with Sean's times (~4 seconds to load the Atlas tool, then another ~4 - 5 seconds to load the map within Atlas). See here for a visual of my Arnon-to-Atlas load time. Our load times should be a little faster, as (1) our bandwidth is greater than 12 Mbps, and (2) we're physically closer to the Atlas-related servers (Seattle for overlays like labels and arrows/lines, and various Mapbox server locations for the background/terrain), but a 8 second difference seems to much considering these circumstances. Would you mind giving us more information (maybe how long does that Atlas window take to load, and how long it takes for the map within Atlas to load)?----Regarding the failure to tilt/rotate a map (via "shift + arrows
")until panning has occurred...
This seems to be a Mapbox limitation (the tool we use to display and render an Atlas map). Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do to change this. However, as a work around, "shift + right-click" also tilts/rotates the map and works before panning.----Regarding holding "shift + arrows" continually doesn't continually rotate the map...
This one is a bug on our end. I've submitted a bug report, but it might be a while before it's fixed (seems lower priority).----Regarding the rotate button (located under the zoom buttons) getting stuck in flat style...
This one is a bug on our end. I've submitted a bug report, good catch.----Regarding the limitation on tilt, as well as a request for an indicator for when most extreme tilt has been reached...
This seems to be a Mapbox limitation (won't allow tilting past what you see). This is unfortunate as I also think the tilt stops far too soon. I'm not sure if a max-tilt message or indicator would be helpful for most users though. I'll talk this over with Sean.0 -
Ben, thank you for looking into this and for the update. I will re-check load times for the Atlas and for maps and get back to you, but two quick questions first.Hi Rick,
Sean asked me to look into some of the Atlas issues you pointed out. Thanks for the feedback.
----Regarding the slowness and load times...
My Atlas/map load times seem more in line with Sean's times (~4 seconds to load the Atlas tool, then another ~4 - 5 seconds to load the map within Atlas). See here for a visual of my Arnon-to-Atlas load time. Our load times should be a little faster, as (1) our bandwidth is greater than 12 Mbps, and (2) we're physically closer to the Atlas-related servers (Seattle for overlays like labels and arrows/lines, and various Mapbox server locations for the background/terrain), but a 8 second difference seems to much considering these circumstances. Would you mind giving us more information (maybe how long does that Atlas window take to load, and how long it takes for the map within Atlas to load)?----Regarding the failure to tilt/rotate a map (via "shift + arrows
")until panning has occurred...
This seems to be a Mapbox limitation (the tool we use to display and render an Atlas map). Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do to change this. However, as a work around, "shift + right-click" also tilts/rotates the map and works before panning.----Regarding holding "shift + arrows" continually doesn't continually rotate the map...
This one is a bug on our end. I've submitted a bug report, but it might be a while before it's fixed (seems lower priority).----Regarding the rotate button (located under the zoom buttons) getting stuck in flat style...
This one is a bug on our end. I've submitted a bug report, good catch.----Regarding the limitation on tilt, as well as a request for an indicator for when most extreme tilt has been reached...
This seems to be a Mapbox limitation (won't allow tilting past what you see). This is unfortunate as I also think the tilt stops far too soon. I'm not sure if a max-tilt message or indicator would be helpful for most users though. I'll talk this over with Sean.- Regarding giving a separate time for the Atlas to load from the times for the maps to load,. For me, the Atlas never loads without also loading a map at essentially the same time. Please clarify the point at which I should consider the Atlas to have finished loading and the loading of the initial map to begin. Giving specifics on subsequent map load times will be no problem--just not sure how to separate the Atlas load from the initial map that loads with it.
- Regarding not being able to tilt or rotate with the "shift + arrows" until panning is done. You said "...as a work around, "shift + right-click" also tilts/rotates the map and works before panning." I don't follow how a shift and a right click by themselves can control tilting and rotating. I.e what controls whether your "shift + right-click" request is seen as a tilt request or a rotate request? And more specifically, what controls whether you're seen as requesting a tilt up or tilt down, or in the case of a rotate, whether you're requesting a rotate left or rotate right? I assumed there's more to the control requirements than just a "shift + right-click", but just for fun, I did try doing that on my laptop's trackpad. Nothing happened, although I wasn't expecting those controls alone to be able to do so. What additional key-stroke(s) are needed?
Thanks again for looking into this. It's much appreciated!
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Hi Rick,
There's a bit of overlap on Atlas vs map loads, but I would classify them as such...
- Atlas load time = from when you click on the map link in Arnon's Factbook page to when the map titles show up in the left hand panel of Atlas
- Map load time = from when the map titles show up in the left hand panel to when the map is focused on Arnon
And in regards to the "shift + right click", I totally forgot to specify to hold the right click and move the mouse/pointer (whoops, sorry). The correct instruction is "shift + right click hold + mouse/pointer movement". This may be a bit awkward on a laptop or trackpad.
Hope that helps
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OK Ben, following Sean's procedure and your instructions, here's what I came up with in my latest round with the Atlas.Hi Rick,
There's a bit of overlap on Atlas vs map loads, but I would classify them as such...
- Atlas load time = from when you click on the map link in Arnon's Factbook page to when the map titles show up in the left hand panel of Atlas
- Map load time = from when the map titles show up in the left hand panel to when the map is focused on Arnon
And in regards to the "shift + right click", I totally forgot to specify to hold the right click and move the mouse/pointer (whoops, sorry). The correct instruction is "shift + right click hold + mouse/pointer movement". This may be a bit awkward on a laptop or trackpad.
Hope that helps
On average, for the initial load it takes:
- Just 2 seconds for the Atlas to load from the Arnon Factbook page.
- Another 12-14 seconds for the map to load and the orange circles to flash on then disappear, and a majority of the map to be rendered.
- Another 6-8 seconds for the map to completely finish rendering. The map is usable before rendering is complete, but it is distracting since it's hard to know if it's only terrain that remains to be rendered or if anything of importance may still be added.
On average, once loaded it takes:
- 3-8 seconds to change from one map to another. (Most complete in 3-5 seconds but there are outliers.)
- 2-5 seconds to zoom in/out by 1 tap of the +/- keys. (Most complete in 2-3 seconds but there are outliers.)
- 2-4 seconds to pan.
- 2-3 seconds to rotate map "one tap" of the arrow key.
- 1-2 seconds to tilt map "one tap" of the arrow key.
- 2-3 seconds to return map to upright position
FWIW, these are better times than I've experienced in the past, though still not what I would hope for. Changes are very choppy and with each movement, leaves one unsure if the request is complete or if there's going to be more movement before the request is finished. Also, note that I am on the most recent release of Logos, though I don't know if that's a factor.
Let me know if you want any additional info.
Thanks!
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Ben, just for kicks, I went out to the web version of Logos to see how the Atlas responded there. Much faster and smoother than when running it from within the desktop app version of Logos. I did encounter a few glitches, but don't want to get sidetracked with them now. The main point is this... regarding speed and smoothness, I'd have no issue if the Atlas performed from within the desktop Logos app the way it does from within the web app. Why so much difference???
OK Ben, following Sean's procedure and your instructions, here's what I came up with in my latest round with the Atlas.Hi Rick,
There's a bit of overlap on Atlas vs map loads, but I would classify them as such...
- Atlas load time = from when you click on the map link in Arnon's Factbook page to when the map titles show up in the left hand panel of Atlas
- Map load time = from when the map titles show up in the left hand panel to when the map is focused on Arnon
And in regards to the "shift + right click", I totally forgot to specify to hold the right click and move the mouse/pointer (whoops, sorry). The correct instruction is "shift + right click hold + mouse/pointer movement". This may be a bit awkward on a laptop or trackpad.
Hope that helps
On average, for the initial load it takes:
- Just 2 seconds for the Atlas to load from the Arnon Factbook page.
- Another 12-14 seconds for the map to load and the orange circles to flash on then disappear, and a majority of the map to be rendered.
- Another 6-8 seconds for the map to completely finish rendering. The map is usable before rendering is complete, but it is distracting since it's hard to know if it's only terrain that remains to be rendered or if anything of importance may still be added.
On average, once loaded it takes:
- 3-8 seconds to change from one map to another. (Most complete in 3-5 seconds but there are outliers.)
- 2-5 seconds to zoom in/out by 1 tap of the +/- keys. (Most complete in 2-3 seconds but there are outliers.)
- 2-4 seconds to pan.
- 2-3 seconds to rotate map "one tap" of the arrow key.
- 1-2 seconds to tilt map "one tap" of the arrow key.
- 2-3 seconds to return map to upright position
FWIW, these are better times than I've experienced in the past, though still not what I would hope for. Changes are very choppy and with each movement, leaves one unsure if the request is complete or if there's going to be more movement before the request is finished. Also, note that I am on the most recent release of Logos, though I don't know if that's a factor.
Let me know if you want any additional info.
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