Book of Jasher... Apocrypha?

Please forgive my ignorance but I was curious why this site lists the above as an apocryphal book but I don't see it in any of my logos as Apocrypha books? I know you can't believe everything you read on the internet 😃

https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/index.htm

I stumbled into it reading about Babel and got pointed to Jasher chapter 9

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DMB

Jasher was mentioned in the OT, and in the 1800s (I think), someone wrote a decent looking Jasher! So, indeed apocryphal, but technically pseudo (fake).

Randy W. Sims

I'm equally ignorant but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-canonical_books_referenced_in_the_Bible

[quote]

The Book of Jasher is mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18 and also referenced in 2 Timothy 3:8.[1] From the context in the Book of Samuel, it is implied that it was a collection of poetry. Several books have claimed to be this lost text, some of which are discounted as pseudepigrapha. Certain members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints secured the copyright to a particular English translation of one of these and republished it in 1887 in Salt Lake City[2].

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055001#Comment_1055001

Interesting. I knew it was mentioned a few times but I thought the book was lost so I was surprised to see that this morning. I tried searching my library but didn't have the actual book in the link and I don't think I saw it in the logos catalogue... To my dictionaries next

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055003#Comment_1055003

Logos does have several resources that list all the missing OT and NT ref'd books (plus subsequent fathers refs). Jasher was a bit player.

Kenute P. Curry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055005#Comment_1055005

So do we have all of these Apocryphal Books like the Book of Jasher in Logos or Faithlife Ebooks????? And if we don't, why not?

Thomas Pape

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055012#Comment_1055012

PB-Logos

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055017#Comment_1055017

Thanks! I was planning to make my own but this saves me some time

Kenute P. Curry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055019#Comment_1055019

MY SUGGESTION FOR FAITHLIFE WOULD BE TO GET ALL OF KEN JOHNSON'S BOOKS IN LOGOS:

Ken Johnson was born in 1965 and became a Christian at the age of 12. He quickly realized there were differences in doctrine in various denominations and sought out to prove to himself the correct interpretation of these issues that divide Christians. After an intensive study of the first century church he sought to bring back the teaching of the disciples of the 12 apostles. He has authored numerous books and made ancient Jewish scrolls available to the English speaking world. He currently travels to churches inside the USA, speaking on these and other topics.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055060#Comment_1055060

Kanute, where's the Christian College of Texas? Google seems to only know from Johnson's self-bio's. Been to Texarkana many times ... never heard of it.

Kenute P. Curry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055064#Comment_1055064

Denise I had the opportunity to ask Ken Johnson himself. He said that it was simply called "The Christian College of Texas" in Texarkana, back in the 80s. He told me that it is not there anymore

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055012#Comment_1055012

So do we have all of these Apocryphal Books like the Book of Jasher in Logos or Faithlife Ebooks????? And if we don't, why not?

No, not all of them are available - especially those associated with the Oriental Orthodox churches where we do not necessarily have access to all of the canonical works, let alone apocryphal ones. I believe the same is true of some of the African Jewish canons as well but haven't checked recently.

Why not? Lack of sufficient numbers of scholars with the skills and interests to produce Western language editions/manuscripts of the text. It is only recently that Syriac materials began being explored.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055064#Comment_1055064

Been to Texarkana many times ... never heard of it.

Interestingly, the site I use to detect phony credentials has not heard of it either - not closed, not purchased, not renamed ...

Dave Hooton

https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/index.htm

I stumbled into it reading about Babel and got pointed to Jasher chapter 9

I got interested in the Book of Jasher, so I compiled the PB from Wyn Laidig (above), which is based on this book. I also constructed a timeline of Adam to Shem based on the book of Genesis, and began to pick up some errors in Jasher.

Jared was 62 vs.162 when Enoch was born (2:37) and Methuselah was 87 vs.187 when Lamech was born (Ch 3:13). Also, see LXX.

If correct, they would impact the ages of Lamech & Noah elsewhere. However:-

Lamech is correctly 56 when Adam died (Ch 3:14) --> else Lamech would have been 256.
Noah is correctly 84 when Enosh died, and correctly 179 when Kenan (Cainan) died (Ch 5:1, 2); and
Noah is correctly 234 (Ch 5:3) when Mahalalel died.

Lamech was 160 vs.168 when Seth died (Ch 4:9) --> a computational error?
Lamech was 180 vs. 182 when Noah was born (Ch 4:11-14) --> 188 in LXX Gen 5:28
Lamech was 770 vs. 777 when he died (Ch 5:20) --> 753 in LXX Gen 5:31
Lamech died when Noah was 195 vs. 595 (Ch 5:19) --> a careless mistake.

From the other dates (770 & 180), Noah would have to be 590
Either way, Lamech died before his father (and within 10 years of the Flood).

Jared died when Noah was 336 vs.366 (Ch 5:4) --> a computational error?
Methuselah died at 960 vs. 969 (Ch 5:36) --> in the year of the Flood or 9 years before?

Both the Bible timeline and Ch 6:1 imply that Methuselah died in the year of the Flood

In Ch 5:1, "Enoch" should be "Enosh" ---> corrected in my PB.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055680#Comment_1055680

Wow that is interesting. Thank you Dave. Besides the one correction you made, any others that you saw that I should make to the original from Wyn?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055702#Comment_1055702

Other textual mistakes:

Content Ch 75 - "think it Time to..."
Content Ch 90 - various Caps
Ch 2:24 - "had withered away..." on a new line.
Ch 65:2 - "the counsellor*s..."
Ch 76:12 - "to bring forth Is rael..."

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055760#Comment_1055760

Content Ch 75 - "think it Time to..."
Content Ch 90 - various Caps

On closer examination, these are clearly idiosyncratic to the document. Don't change them.

Ch 65:2 - "the counsellor*s..."

There are 7 other occurrences. Look for counsellor* in the document.

Eric Casteel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055383#Comment_1055383

Been to Texarkana many times ... never heard of it.

Interestingly, the site I use to detect phony credentials has not heard of it either - not closed, not purchased, not renamed ...

I'm curious as to what site you use to track down fake credentials? (Apart from Google.)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1161144#Comment_1161144

I'm curious as to what site you use to track down fake credentials?

Welcome to the forums. It was a couple of years ago, so I can't remember which sites I used. However, this site is not the place to be discussing Calvary Chapel's practices except in the context of Logos resources directly tied to Calvary Chapel. No problem except I will attach a copy of the forum guidelines as they are not necessarily easy to find.

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Eric Casteel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1161147#Comment_1161147

Thanks, fixed.

Dennis Hardin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055060#Comment_1055060

I have no idea why Faithlife hasn’t added these. Especially the Dead Sea Scroll books. The Essene writings shine shine light on prophetic passages .

Dennis Hardin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055060#Comment_1055060

I have no idea why Faithlife hasn’t added these. Especially the Dead Sea Scroll books. The Essene writings shine shine light on prophetic passages .

Dennis Hardin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055060#Comment_1055060

I have no idea why Faithlife hasn’t added these. Especially the Dead Sea Scroll books. The Essene writings shine shine light on prophetic passages .

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1238838#Comment_1238838

I have no idea why ...

Well, maybe the Dead Sea Scrolls are carried as ... the Dead Sea Scrolls (some of which are OT apocrypha, some pseudepigrapha, and some the later Canon).

And some might be Essene ... a scholarly discussion.

And ... welocome to the forum!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055012#Comment_1055012

So do we have all of these Apocryphal Books like the Book of Jasher in Logos or Faithlife Ebooks????? And if we don't, why not?

We do not have all of them for the simple reason that not all of them are available in translations and in some cases not all of them have been catalogued. I am thinking specifically of the Armenian treasure trove that MIchael Stone has been slowly releasing. see:

However, one needs to make a distinction between lost books such as the Book of Jasher (referenced Joshua 10:12–13, 2 Samuel 1:18, 1 Kings 8:12–13) and other books of the same names.