ZIBBC NT John Is Out
Zondervan just released Kostenberger‘s replacement volume on John by Craig Keener. When will Logos release it?
DAL
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DAL said:
Zondervan just released Kostenberger‘s replacement volume on John by Craig Keener. When will Logos release it?
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[Y] PleaseDAL said:Zondervan just released Kostenberger‘s replacement volume on John by Craig Keener. When will Logos release it?
DAL
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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I wonder what Faithlife would do in this case... If we own the old volume, do we get the newer one for free or would we have to purchase it again? Exchange?
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It appears the ZIBBC NT volumes are not available for purchase, perhaps FL is renegotiating the contract in preparation for adding the new volume.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Beloved said:
It appears the ZIBBC NT volumes are not available for purchase, perhaps FL is renegotiating the contract in preparation for adding the new volume.
Weird contract to say the least! Accordance never stopped selling the remaining volumes. I got the entire OT and NT (minus John) for $99 on a super sale they had.
DAL
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DAL said:Beloved said:
It appears the ZIBBC NT volumes are not available for purchase, perhaps FL is renegotiating the contract in preparation for adding the new volume.
Weird contract to say the least! Accordance never stopped selling the remaining volumes. I got the entire OT and NT (minus John) for $99 on a super sale they had.
DAL
Unfortunately, FL has made it impossible to search your order history by removing the search option from the page, so, I can't tell you when or for how much I got my resources. I have John and it was before I was keeping track of when I bought the titles that's all I know.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Beloved said:
Unfortunately, FL has made it impossible to search your order history by removing the search option from the page, so, I can't tell you when or for how much I got my resources. I have John and it was before I was keeping track of when I bought the titles that's all I know.
It's still possible: https://classic.logos.com/account/orders/history
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Dale E Heath said:Beloved said:
Unfortunately, FL has made it impossible to search your order history by removing the search option from the page, so, I can't tell you when or for how much I got my resources. I have John and it was before I was keeping track of when I bought the titles that's all I know.
It's still possible: https://classic.logos.com/account/orders/history
Thanks Dale for the tip, but I found the command+f feature works just fine. I bought ZIBBC as a set along with Jouon and Muraoka for close to $400, so I spent quite a bit more for this title back in 2013.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Beloved said:
It appears the ZIBBC NT volumes are not available for purchase, perhaps FL is renegotiating the contract in preparation for adding the new volume.
Still not ready. Anyone heard any word on this?
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Thanks Dal!
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I wonder if anyone can answer my query?
When Zondervan first released its statement on the replacing of John in Vol.2 of the ZIBBC NT it said that customers could return the volume for credit. Here is the relevant part of the statement and the link:
"The digital formats of the John part of volume 2 are also out of print and withdrawn from the market. Individuals who have purchased this volume and wish to return it for credit should call 1-800-727-3480 for instructions." (https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/statement-from-zondervan-academic-on-dr-andreas-kostenbergers-john-commentary)
My query: does anyone know if the replacement volume will be provided automatically to all Logos format owners of the ZIBBC NT or do we all individually need to call Zondervan directly?
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Gordon Jones said:
My query: does anyone know if the replacement volume will be provided automatically to all Logos format owners of the ZIBBC NT or do we all individually need to call Zondervan directly?
You quote Zondervan with "Individuals who have purchased this volume and wish to return it for credit" which to me clearly implies that this doesn't happen automatically - I guess a lot of owners want to retain rather than return Kostenbergers commentary, and would be in an uproar if Logos just took it away and replaced it by the new volume.
There's also a technical issue. Zondervan pointed out that Kostenberger on John can be returned, whereas Arnold on Acts is not affected. The Logos edition of ZIBBC has both in one resource. Returning John and retaining Acts is not really feasible (there's no ZIBBC Acts standalone and the prepub of ZIBBC John does not state that Acts again is bundled). Maybe the Zondervan call center has a solution for you - or Logos Customer Service.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Or transfer the license of the Kostenberger volume to me and I’ll buy the new John Volume by Keener for you! I’ll pay for the transfer and it’s a win-win situation for both of us 👍😁👌
DAL
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So how does one get the rest of the Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary on the New Testament?
What are FL's plans there for those of us late to the game and don't own the previous volumes?
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NB.Mick said:Gordon Jones said:
My query: does anyone know if the replacement volume will be provided automatically to all Logos format owners of the ZIBBC NT or do we all individually need to call Zondervan directly?
You quote Zondervan with "Individuals who have purchased this volume and wish to return it for credit" which to me clearly implies that this doesn't happen automatically - I guess a lot of owners want to retain rather than return Kostenbergers commentary, and would be in an uproar if Logos just took it away and replaced it by the new volume.
What makes this less than straightforward is that I, and I would expect many other Logos users, purchased the volume in question as part of a set. As we know, Logos licences are for the entire purchased resource whether that is a single book, a set of related books (as in this case) or a collection of books (such as a base package library). How would one return part of a Logos resource to a publisher? How does one return anything in Logos to a publisher when the Logos ecosystem is closed? Furthermore, only half the volume is being replaced: what Zondervan is now calling Volume 2A i.e. John's Gospel without Acts. So is it necessary to give up the Acts commentary in order to receive the corrected John? And even if owners were willing to do that then, again, I don't know how that would work given that Logos doesn't split licences. This is an unusual situation and I'm actually more interested in understanding the process than in returning, replacing or getting credit for anything.
I'm sure that Zondervan and Logos' customer service departments have the answers. I just always like to ask the forum first. I've lost count of the many times that I've stumbled across helpful answers because someone else on the forum asked a question [:D]
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This is interesting and I never thought of that before. I kept the original volume but if they are going to put out a correction volume I'd think original owners should at least get the corrected volume instead of having to repurchase it? I wonder what they did change? I'll have to poke around a little for that one.
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I compared the first page of the preview to my old John and the wording and notes are different. Some similar but definitely different so this might be worth picking up if you already have the old one. I'm suprised (though not really) Keener was able to make a whole new one that quick! He does write large books though.
Therefore it wouldn't make much sense to give the old owners this new one if it is different unless you can work some sort of exchange with Logos though I would keep the old one if you haven't. Why give it up!
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Compare for yourself if interested. Here is the old volume. You can see the preview pages on the logos site...
The Word’s Eternal Preexistence (1:1–2)
Like the other evangelists, John gives an account of the life and ministry of Jesus. But he does so differently from the start. Matthew and Luke begin their Gospels with Jesus’ family tree and an account of his birth. Mark jumps immediately to the ministry of John the Baptist, Jesus’ forerunner. But John begins his account by showing Jesus embarking on a journey—not from Galilee to Jerusalem, but from existing eternally with God to becoming a human being like us. Thus we start in 1:1 in eternity past and arrive in 1:6 around a.d. 29 in the land of Palestine. Jesus’ ministry is about to begin.
In the beginning (1:1). When hearing the phrase “in the beginning,” any person in John’s day familiar with the Scriptures would immediately think of the opening verse of Genesis: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” John reaches back even farther into eternity past. His point is that in the beginning, even prior to creation, someone already existed along with the Father: the Word (cf. 1 John 1:1).
Was the Word (1:1). Echoes of the creation account continue here with allusion to the powerful and effective word of God (“And God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and there was light”; Gen. 1:3). The psalmists and prophets alike portray God’s word (logos) in almost personal terms (e.g., Ps. 33:6; 107:20; 147:15, 18; Isa. 55:10–11). Isaiah, for instance, describes God’s “word” as coming down from heaven and returning to him after achieving the purpose for which it was sent (Isa. 55:10–11). John takes the prophetic depiction of God’s word in the Old Testament one decisive step further. No longer is God’s word merely spoken of in personal terms; it now has appeared as a real person, the Lord Jesus Christ (cf. 1 John 1:1; Rev. 19:13).
While the primary source of John’s depiction of Jesus as the Word is the Old Testament, his opening lines would resonate with his Greek-speaking audience. In Stoic philosophy, for instance, logos was used to refer to the impersonal principle of Reason, which was thought to govern the universe. It is a mark of John’s considerable theological genius that he is able to find a term (“the Word”) that is at the same time thoroughly biblical—that is, rooted in Old Testament teaching—and highly relevant for his present audience.1
The Word was with God (1:1). The term “God” (theos) is familiar to John’s readers since it refers to the God revealed in the Old Testament. This word occurs in Genesis 1:1 (lxx) with reference to the Creator. The same expression is also used for “god” in the Greco-Roman world whose pantheon was made up of dozens of deities. In contrast, the Jews believed in only one God (Deut. 6:4).
The Word was God (1:1). Having distinguished the Word (i.e., Jesus) from God, John now shows what both have in common: They are God.2 From the patristic era (Arius) to the present (Jehovah’s Witnesses), it has been argued that this verse merely identifies Jesus as a god rather than as God, because there is no definite article in front of the word theos. But John, as a monotheistic Jew, would hardly have referred to another person as “a god.” Also, if he had placed a definite article before theos, this would have so equated God and the Word that the distinction established between the two persons in the previous clause (“the Word was with God”) would have been all but obliterated. Clearly calling Jesus God stretched the boundaries of first-century Jewish monotheism.3
► The Stoic Understanding of “the Word”
In Stoic thought, which drew on ideas attributed to the pre-Socratic philosopher Heraclitus (c. 500 b.c.), Logos was Reason, the impersonal rational principle governing the universe. Zeno, the founder of this school of thought (c. 336–263 b.c.), believed that “the General Law, which is Right Reason, pervading everything, is the same as Zeus, the Supreme Head of the government of the universe” (Fragm. 162). People were to live in keeping with Reason, whose spark was thought to reside within them, or at least with the wisest and best of them. Stoic teaching on the Logos may have constituted common ground between John and some of his readers but hardly represents the major source of John’s teaching regarding “the Word.”
Moreover, in Greek syntax it is common for a definite nominative predicate noun preceding the verb einai (to be) not to have the article,4 so that it is illegitimate to infer indefiniteness from the lack of the article in the present passage. If, in fact, John had merely wanted to affirm that Jesus was divine, there was a perfectly proper Greek word for that concept (the adjective theios).
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Well, my copy just downloaded 👍😁👌
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Doesn’t hit Logos until 11/26
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Mattillo said:
Doesn’t hit Logos until 11/26
I know! I got this with my new Accordance 13 upgrade 👍😁👌 Version 13 is finally out. It will be more official on Monday. The highlights and “mark ups” are amazing! As with Logos and any other software, the improvements come later with the updates 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, etc. Nobody is exempt from those!
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