Morris Proctor
Is there any body who has contact with him? There is no telephone and the Webseite knows only charging money . I put a code for free training for one month which has been given to me by Logos salesman . I subscribed, but I was charged 19 USD.Not only that I couldn’t open the video as well. I have written on the contact form About it and as usual no response. I have called to Logos the answer is he is not part of our department. I am really surprised some one who wants to earn money and has no telephone number. I hope some one will help me at least to get my refund.
Blessings in Christ.
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Hi Tes,
I found this phone number: To register, contact Morris Proctor Seminars at [redacted, as the number is no longer in service]
I found it here: https://www.logos.com/camp
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Hi Tes
I subscribed on June with code for one month free. They did not charge me during the first month, they only charge me on the second month $19.99.
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Levi Durfey said:
Hi Tes,
I found this phone number: To register, contact Morris Proctor Seminars at 1-877-237-3168
I found it here: https://www.logos.com/camp
Hi Levi, It says "the telephone number you have called is no loger in service"
Blessings in Christ.
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This is the method from Morris's website I got.
"We value your opinion.
Please let us know how your experience has been on the site, and be sure to let us know if there are any ways that we can make your time on MP Seminars Online more productive."
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:
Is there any body who has contact with him? There is no telephone and the Webseite knows only charging money . I put a code for free training for one month which has been given to me by Logos salesman . I subscribed, but I was charged 19 USD.Not only that I couldn’t open the video as well. I have written on the contact form About it and as usual no response. I have called to Logos the answer is he is not part of our department. I am really surprised some one who wants to earn money and has no telephone number. I hope some one will help me at least to get my refund.
I cannot answer as to why it charged you, but I had the same issue with not being about to play the video's and, just like you, I have not received an email either, but I found that you have to click on the "take course" to be able to view the video's.
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I find myself in a very bad position, as I have not kept my thoughts to myself. With Logos, and certainly not with Morris and yet, I am changing my mind with Logos. And various "paid trainers".
My intent is not to necessarily bash or promote anyone. But, when it comes to MP, I do feel the same way, that his sole purpose is to suck more money from us.
In his defense, there are costs associated with training. I get that. He deserves to get paid. I get that. But somehow, I feel his entire purpose is to get paid.
I have flipped on the idea of paying for training on Logos, because I realize that any software requires training. I dont care if it's a simple video game, like Pong, Pacman, a more complex video game of today, business software and now Logos. We have to learn how to use the software as intended. It'd be ridiculous to have to pay to learn how to play Pong. But, businesses pay hefty fees for employees to learn software. So, I get it. But, somehow, even with that, I see the same exact thing with MP, they're there to swallow money.
I prefer the other major trainer, because while he does charge, he seems to be more interested in seeing people understand how to use Logos; the money is incidental and there to pay for the ministry. But, thats me.Tes said:David Owh said:Hi Tes
I subscribed on June with code for one month free. They did not charge me during the first month, they only charge me on the second month $19.99.
You are lucky David. For me their website is only to swallow money.
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My 2 cents: its all about ROI (return on investment).
Personally, I find the grumbling about paying for training silly. I pay the monthly $20 fee for MP Seminars and it has been a very worthwhile investment for me. In the 90s, I spent a lot of money and time learning how to use Microsoft Office. Because of that investment, I was able to use MS Access to build databases that churches and companies benefited from, and that I profited from. And when I use Microsoft Word, I know how to harness its power to make writing a smooth and efficient process. I have watched others spend a lot of time arranging and formatting their documents to make them look right, and in seconds I can teach them a few secrets to automate the process. A good ROI for me and others. Similarly, the time and money I spend learning to harness Logos' power pays rich dividends in allowing me to present Biblical truth for the benefit of those who hear me and to do so in a timely and efficient manner.
I have invested in both paid Logos trainers and find that for me the ROI is better from the MP than from LL.
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To a certain degree, that is my point.
We willingly pay for training on complex software. Whether recreational, or business. So, while I still dont necessarily have the same appreciation for MP, as others do, EVEN IF he is purely in it for the money, that is a judgement I need not make. That is a judgement I am better off leaving for God. God knows the heart; I know only snippets of what I think I see. So, I have pretty much accepted the fact that I do need to be trained on the software, and rather than grumble about it, ask God to open up over things.
For the record, I find LL to be more in tuned to my needs; and his humility overshadows everything else that I may or may not like.MWW said:My 2 cents: its all about ROI (return on investment).
Personally, I find the grumbling about paying for training silly. I pay the monthly $20 fee for MP Seminars and it has been a very worthwhile investment for me. In the 90s, I spent a lot of money and time learning how to use Microsoft Office. Because of that investment, I was able to use MS Access to build databases that churches and companies benefited from, and that I profited from. And when I use Microsoft Word, I know how to harness its power to make writing a smooth and efficient process. I have watched others spend a lot of time arranging and formatting their documents to make them look right, and in seconds I can teach them a few secrets to automate the process. A good ROI for me and others. Similarly, the time and money I spend learning to harness Logos' power pays rich dividends in allowing me to present Biblical truth for the benefit of those who hear me and to do so in a timely and efficient manner.
I have invested in both paid Logos trainers and find that for me the ROI is better from the MP than from LL.
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Batman said:
My intent is not to necessarily bash or promote anyone. But, when it comes to MP, I do feel the same way, that his sole purpose is to suck more money from us.
In his defense, there are costs associated with training. I get that. He deserves to get paid. I get that. But somehow, I feel his entire purpose is to get paid.Thankful for attending a Morris Proctor seminar so could see his eyes light up (and MP team members) as they helped attendees learn.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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If you have the chance of contacting him I would be glad if you could forward my disappointments.
Blessings in Christ.
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Always good to have you chime in. You've been one who has seen me rant, the first time, and seen me change directions. You have been compassionate, and stern and always a pleasure.
As one who teaches, and has taught, I must admit, that I do understand when a teacher "breaks through" and yes, one can see it. It is incredible.
I have not gone through his training; dont think I ever will. At least not at this point. But, I have to say, given the choice, being there is preferable.Thankful for attending a Morris Proctor seminar so could see his eyes light up (and MP team members) as they helped attendees learn.
Keep Smiling
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Batman said:
I prefer the other major trainer, because while he does charge, he seems to be more interested in seeing people understand how to use Logos; the money is incidental and there to pay for the ministry. But, thats me.
I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of the trainers but you have "hit the nail on the head". We will learn best from a trainer with whom we feel compatible and who stresses the elements important to us. It is worth following the blogs, watching the FL videos, trying the various 3rd party vendors ... and seeing what gives you the most benefit for your time and money.
Within the software and FL websites we have:
- in house (blogs, Logos training, purchased resources, YouTube)
- Morris Proctor
- Devin Roza
Outside vendors include
- Morris Proctor
- John Fallahee
- Danny Zacharias (also at udemy)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Now that brings up another issue. I'm not disagreeing at all, but, at the same time, I can't see me having the time to "follow the blogs, watching the FL videos, trying the various 3rd party vendors". I do try to follow some of the blogs, and some of the videos, and now the LL videos and even a couple personal training sessions. Yet, it is all extremely overwhelming to me; as you have seen from my posts over the years.
I have come to terms with the concept that paying for training is not a "big bad evil" I had seen it as. Again, we will pay for training else where (I haven't, but, companies I have worked for have) so, I see it in a much better light than I did, even 2 weeks ago. But, when I can't find a verse on Logos, and find it elsewhere, in split seconds;;; well, you've seen all my most recents, so, you know where i am at.
And, thanks for the list. I am unfamiliar with Roza and Zacharias but inhouse, Fallahee and Proctor I am.MJ. Smith said:Batman said:I prefer the other major trainer, because while he does charge, he seems to be more interested in seeing people understand how to use Logos; the money is incidental and there to pay for the ministry. But, thats me.
I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of the trainers but you have "hit the nail on the head". We will learn best from a trainer with whom we feel compatible and who stresses the elements important to us. It is worth following the blogs, watching the FL videos, trying the various 3rd party vendors ... a seeing what gives you the most benefit for your time and money.
Within the software and FL websites we have:
- in house (blogs, Logos training, purchased resources, YouTube)
- Morris Proctor
- Devin Roza
Outside vendors include
- Morris Proctor
- John Fallahee
- Danny Zacharias (also at udemy)
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Batman said:
I am unfamiliar with Roza and Zacharias but inhouse, Fallahee and Proctor I am.
I've used all of them except Roza, including paying a fortune to attend a MP seminar in person.
All are good. I thought the MP seminar was worth the money (around a thousand bucks by the time I paid travel, hotel, meals, etc.). But I can't afford to do it again. MP has the best quality technology for producing his videos, IMO.
DZ is an excellent instructor (I bought his Udemy courses, ten bucks for the whole set). He doesn't do as many updates as the others. He also has an excellent intro Greek textbook, BTW. And he responds to messages in his Udemy course.
JF is an excellent instructor as well, and does regular updates. He also offers free webinars from time to time. I bought his "big package" video set for L8 and paid a total of something like $60 or $70 for dozens and dozens of hours of instruction. His is probably the best value given the volume. He will also respond to emails from his customers, and does a good job communicating about updates, changes, etc.
Summary: ALL of them are good instructors, all have plusses and minuses with their product. MP is the most expensive and the most polished. DZ is the least expensive and a great value...anyone who can continue to buy Logos resources can find ten or fifteen bucks for his Udemy course. JF is in the middle, price-wise, and has a huge volume of instructional video for what he charges.
You rolls your dice and you moves your mice, and nobody gets hurt. [:)]
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Thanks Doc B.
I'm currently signed up with John's monthly package. It's $15/mo, $5 cheaper than MPs, but, if one does an annual subscription with MP, there's not a huge difference. MP is definitely polished, which is good, but, feels a bit too slick for me. I could attend an MP live class, honestly, I prefer that; unfortunately, it's still 2 hours off, so, if it's not a hotel, it's gas and time. DZ, again, Ive never heard of, but, even I can afford ten bucks. But, more importantly to me is the Greek textbook. I'm getting overwhelmed by everything, but, I still have 2 yrs of both languages, and supposed to have a semester of Aramaic; so, any helps I can get, cheaply, is always a good thing. Just like Logos, ultimately it becomes a matter of motivation and desire; which is what I tend to lose a lot of quickly.
After your excellent breakdowns, I will look into DZ, and continue with JF but will ultimately find a way to get an MP set in the mix too. So, thank you again. Appreciate it.Doc B said:Batman said:I am unfamiliar with Roza and Zacharias but inhouse, Fallahee and Proctor I am.
I've used all of them except Roza, including paying a fortune to attend a MP seminar in person.
All are good. I thought the MP seminar was worth the money (around a thousand bucks by the time I paid travel, hotel, meals, etc.). But I can't afford to do it again. MP has the best quality technology for producing his videos, IMO.
DZ is an excellent instructor (I bought his Udemy courses, ten bucks for the whole set). He doesn't do as many updates as the others. He also has an excellent intro Greek textbook, BTW. And he responds to messages in his Udemy course.
JF is an excellent instructor as well, and does regular updates. He also offers free webinars from time to time. I bought his "big package" video set for L8 and paid a total of something like $60 or $70 for dozens and dozens of hours of instruction. His is probably the best value given the volume. He will also respond to emails from his customers, and does a good job communicating about updates, changes, etc.
Summary: ALL of them are good instructors, all have plusses and minuses with their product. MP is the most expensive and the most polished. DZ is the least expensive and a great value...anyone who can continue to buy Logos resources can find ten or fifteen bucks for his Udemy course. JF is in the middle, price-wise, and has a huge volume of instructional video for what he charges.
You rolls your dice and you moves your mice, and nobody gets hurt.
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Doc B. Im discovering quite a few courses at Udemy that are of great interest. Never heard of them, but, quite a few courses right now at $10. I'm thinking right now DZ's Greek Made Simple and a few to help at work, and wow. I like the concept. Dont know how great the courses are, but, I did sample several Greek and Hebrew courses too.
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Batman said:
Dont know how great the courses are
Udemy courses are a mixed bag, with more good ones than bad ones, IMO. Read some reviews. Those with high reviews over several hundred folks are usually can't-misses.
I use Udemy quite a bit, and overall have had great luck with it. I recommend it to a lot of college students.
Here's Danny's book- https://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Greek-Made-Simple-Semester/dp/1683591003
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I purchased the 2 volumes of Camp Logos discs after L6. Can anyone answer me if these are still relevant for L8?
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I don't have them Michael but I guess the real problem will be that of the 'Curates Egg'.
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I'm the not "perfect" person to respond, but, from what I have seen from people is, yes. But at the same time, they are obviously different, so you would probably want to invest in a smaller training for the new things in L8.
John Fallahee has a special right now for L8 training, new features only, download for as low as $25, if you are a VIP member, and $30 if you are not. And, for an additional $12 ($37 for both usb and d/l) for members or $42 for non-members.
https://www.learnlogos.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=2010
That may be a good way to get the best of everythingMichael S. said:I purchased the 2 volumes of Camp Logos discs after L6. Can anyone answer me if these are still relevant for L8?
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If you go to Morris Proctor website, at the very bottom of his website you will find:
Contact
I'm surprised you could not locate it. Morris has excellent training. It is very profitable. You where charged for the
second month, not the first month.
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Mike Binks said:
I don't have them Michael but I guess the real problem will be that of the 'Curates Egg'.
I always love learning new lingo from you Mike. [:)]
I assume you mean "Curates Egg" in the more modern sense.
The old videos will increasingly be less useful as things change. Videos for L6 will be more useful than videos for L4, as an example. Each new version both introduces new features, while also updating and (hopefully) improving some of the old features.
In my opinion, the changes to the right click menu will make much of the older videos considerably less useful.
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Thomas Myers said:
I'm surprised you could not locate it.
If you go back and read Tes' first and fourth posts, he notes that he has tried the web form with no response.
I was seriously considering subscribing to MP Seminars but want a responsive customer service in case there are problems. I've had problems with other web sites similar to Tes' situation and I've become very weary.
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Michael S. said:
Can anyone answer me if these are still relevant for L8?
I also have those resources.
First: There are parts of L7 and L8 that have NOT "re-modeled" any of the items in L6,
These are definitely helpful.
[ALSO: Sometimes while struggling to learn the "newer stuff" I have found it helpful to compare the later changes to how it "used" to be done in L6]
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Wow, and I thought I had problems.
I do.
But, I did not face the issue you did. I actually signed up for the one free month, and was charged $0.00 (unless something changed since this morning). It then says that my renewal date will be Sep. 30th. So, I am wondering if you typed in the code correctly?
Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons I hate companies. They don't want to talk to us. They sure do want to take our money, though.
I hope you get it straightened out; and personally, I am hoping I get the training I need to learn this stuff, within a month (free one) or, even one paid month. After all, a workman IS worth their hire; but, that does not mean they need to be gouging me, or anyone else.Editing to add: By any chance have you already received a free month? Companies generally dont allow for more than one free month within 12 months.
Tes said:Is there any body who has contact with him? There is no telephone and the Webseite knows only charging money . I put a code for free training for one month which has been given to me by Logos salesman . I subscribed, but I was charged 19 USD.Not only that I couldn’t open the video as well. I have written on the contact form About it and as usual no response. I have called to Logos the answer is he is not part of our department. I am really surprised some one who wants to earn money and has no telephone number. I hope some one will help me at least to get my refund.
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Thanks, Brad, but, I think I'll stick with the videos. Cheaper, and I hate reading. lol. But, Doc may be interested, as others may too.
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Rick, Totally agree with that idea. I hate when companies want our money, but dont want to talk to us.
I did happen to go for it, this morning. Everything went through fine. Before submitting and confirming, make sure you get the discount, and renewal date is right. If not, obviously dont submit, and if it is, go for it. First month is free, I paid $0.
I am now wondering if Tes had previously had a free month. That could be a reason there was a charge, I just thought of. ShrugRick said:Thomas Myers said:I'm surprised you could not locate it.
If you go back and read Tes' first and fourth posts, he notes that he has tried the web form with no response.
I was seriously considering subscribing to MP Seminars but want a responsive customer service in case there are problems. I've had problems with other web sites similar to Tes' situation and I've become very weary.
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I subscribed to MP Seminars. After a couple of weeks I had a problem with my password not being recognised.
i contacted them through the website and had a speedy response (can’t remember how long now, but definitely within a few hours). The matter was speedily resolved and I am extremely happy with both content and service.
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