BUG: Lost morphology capability

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,822
edited November 2024 in English Forum

These are the morphology coding choices I have now:

These are my previous morphology coding choices:

You will notice a distinct change in what is available for Greek. That does not make me happy as I used them to illustrate that grammar is descriptive and can be described in multiple ways.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • MJ. Smith said:

    These are the morphology coding choices I have now:

    Morphology choices depend on Library resources:

    Logos wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Morphology_Codes has note about Logos 5 Robinson Greek Morphology resources being migrated to Logos Greek Morphology (Robinson indentified 2nd Aorist and Indeclinable type)

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  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 16,046

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morphology choices depend on Library resources:

    Maybe that has changed, in the sense that previously morph-search (initially) offered all Greek morphologies available in the software, and now offers those that are available to execute against a resource.

    There's only one current resource with Friberg morphology: AGNT - https://www.logos.com/product/1787   

    and two with Swanson morphology, UBS4 (!) & WH combined here: https://www.logos.com/product/7839 

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  • MJ. Smith
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    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morphology choices depend on Library resources:

    NB.Mick said:Maybe that has changed, in the sense that previously morph-search (initially) offered all Greek morphologies available in the software, and now offers those that are available to execute against a resource.

    I'll double check my library ... it would make sense to suppress morphologies not in one's library.

    IIRC Swanson moves towards a functional grammar rather than grammatical form; Friberg is a step towards discourse analysis.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • NB.Mick said:

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morphology choices depend on Library resources:

    Maybe that has changed, in the sense that previously morph-search (initially) offered all Greek morphologies available in the software, and now offers those that are available to execute against a resource.

    Morph Search of a Bible Collection offers morphologies in English Bibles that have been enabled for Interlinear Text Comparison

    In contrast, searching All Resources in my Library offers all morphologies available.

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  • NB.Mick
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    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    searching All Resources in my Library offers all morphologies available.

    This is what I meant with "possible change". I open a new search window and direct a morph search to All Resources and see basically the same as MJ, i.e. only Gramcord and Logos for Greek. I'm not sure (and don't have a screenshot to prove either way) how this used to look in the past. 

    While four Greek morphologies are theoretically available in Logos, the two I see are all morphologies available in the sense of all that are present in my library (which lacks the three resources I mentioned above which are the only three currently offered - and to the best of my knowledge ever were offered - with Swanson and with Friberg morphology). 

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  • NB.Mick said:

    There's only one current resource with Friberg morphology: AGNT - https://www.logos.com/product/1787   

    Morph Search for Determiner (Definite Article) using Friberg Greek Morphology finds result in one resource (AGNT in my library), but Bible Search of All Bibles finds nothing

    NB.Mick said:

    and two with Swanson morphology, UBS4 (!) & WH combined here: https://www.logos.com/product/7839 

    Morph Search for Definite Article using Swanson Greek Morphology finds results in two resources (UBS4 & WH), but Bible Search of All Bibles finds nothing

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  • Dave Hooton
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    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morph Search for Determiner (Definite Article) using Friberg Greek Morphology finds result in one resource (AGNT in my library), but Bible Search of All Bibles finds nothing

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morph Search for Definite Article using Swanson Greek Morphology finds results in two resources (UBS4 & WH), but Bible Search of All Bibles finds nothing

    Are they of Type Bible?

    From Morph Search with @N, clicking Basic Search returns a list of morphologies current and past:

    (([field bible, content] <AFMorphHeb ~ N???????>), ([field bible, content] <AFMorphAram ~ N???????>), ([field bible, content] <BHtMorph ~ N???????>), ([field bible, content] <CALMorph ~ N??>), ([field bible, content] <FrMorph ~ N?????>), ([field bible, content] <ArcInsMorph ~ N????+S???G?>), ([field bible, content] <SemInsMorph ~ N????+S???G?>), ([field bible, content] <SWGreekMorph ~ N???>), ([field bible, content] <LogosMorphGr ~ N????>), ([field bible, content] <LogosMorphHeb ~ N?????>), ([field bible, content] <LogosMorphAram ~ N????>), ([field bible, content] <LogosMorphLa ~ N????>), ([field bible, content] <GrMorph ~ N???>), ([field bible, content] <WestMorph ~ n????+S???E?>), ([field bible, content] <AramaicMorphology ~ n????+S???E?>), ([field bible, content] <LPIMorph ~ N>), ([field bible, content] <MRMorph ~ N???>), ([field bible, content] <SyrMorph ~ N???+S???E?F?Y?T?D?R?>), ([field bible, content] <SESBMorphAram ~ N????+S???>), ([field bible, content] <SESBMorphHeb ~ N????+S???>), ([field bible, content] <WIVUMorph ~ N????>), ([field bible, content] <WIVUMorphAram ~ N????>), ([field bible, content] <WIVUMorphHeb ~ N????>))

    GrMorph = GRAMCORD

    LogosMorphLa, LPIMorph??

    Dave
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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,822

    Thank you Dave - just what I wanted

    LogosMorphLa I would guess to be Latin

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morph Search for Determiner (Definite Article) using Friberg Greek Morphology finds result in one resource (AGNT in my library), but Bible Search of All Bibles finds nothing

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Morph Search for Definite Article using Swanson Greek Morphology finds results in two resources (UBS4 & WH), but Bible Search of All Bibles finds nothing

    Are they of Type Bible?

    Yes, Bible Search of All Bibles

    Repeated Morph Search, duplicated Search, then changed to Bible Search found Friberg search (FrMorph) works in Bible Search, but SWGreekMorph finds nothing in Bible Search (while works in Morph Search)

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