iPad or iPad Pro

I'm mulling over getting a new iPad or iPad Pro. My wife took my old iPad and I have been using a Kindle Fire 10 for some time. As a reader and do some things, it's pretty adequate, but it is limited for more in-depth work. The newest base iPad seems decent, but should I consider a Pro model instead? I would probably factor in a keyboard in either case.

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Mike Binks

should I consider a Pro model instead?

Partly depends whether you can set the cost off against income tax. If you can then it depends on the proximity of retirement, redundancy, sacking etc.

I personally wouldn't want the iPad as my main workhorse but then again I work with two monitors and a lot of spaces.

JT (alabama24)

For the purposes of Logos, the only reason to get the PRO is for screen size. I have an older PRO, which is essentially the same size as the new regular iPad. Most of the features I have from back then are now included with the much cheaper regular one.

Reid A Ferguson

I've been a heavy iPad user for several years now and just debated upgrading. I went with the iPad Air 3. For the difference in cost it is a powerhouse. And unless you the extra screen space - the 3 @ a 10.5 screen but with the blazing new chip gave me an upgrade over the old iPad without the Pro price point. Check Youtube for Pro/Air3 comparisons.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073275#Comment_1073275

Great advice. Thank you all.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073298#Comment_1073298

Appears to me that the one other important factor is getting enough storage space. Looks like you can actually put a whole library on an iPad now. Not that you need that every day but pretty amazing if you want to do it.

Reid A Ferguson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073453#Comment_1073453

I have my entire library (nearly 5,000 vols.) on my iPad and love having it all there. I have 256gigs of storage, and with all of Logos, a tone of music, documents, apps, etc., I've used a little under 60 gigs. Pretty amazing.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073453#Comment_1073453

Appears to me that the one other important factor is getting enough storage space. Looks like you can actually put a whole library on an iPad now.

Well, no. Not really. FL never intended for the mobile app to download all books. At user request, they added that ability in a hidden manner. They have since pulled that feature due to support issues. There is great debate about this!

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073462#Comment_1073462

I'm being more about the possibility than using it all. Having a lot of the stuff not in need of a download is more of what I mean. Not everyone with an iPad can afford to have cellular on it or expect to be near public wifi.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073471#Comment_1073471

Not everyone with an iPad can afford to have cellular on it or expect to be near public wifi.

I understand why some users would want it, but it isn't designed for it. When considering which "level" to purchase, extra storage space for Logos should not be a consideration (for most users). The exception: If the user lives in an area without internet for weeks or months, that might make a difference. However, downloading that many resources will be quite a task (especially since "download all" was removed).

T-Bone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073480#Comment_1073480

However, downloading that many resources will be quite a task (especially since "download all" was removed).

Mobile customers that also run Logos Desktop, likely almost everyone in this thread, can use Mobile Management to download all resources (or any selections they wish) to any (or all) mobile devices they may be using on their account.

T-Bone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073462#Comment_1073462

They have since pulled that feature due to support issues.

The "Download All" feature was removed many months after the problem that resulted in thousands of support issues had already been fixed (i.e. previously downloaded resources were not automatically updated while online).

The Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded, as long as one goes online every now and then to make sure that any previously downloaded resources can be automatically updated.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073537#Comment_1073537

However, downloading that many resources will be quite a task (especially since "download all" was removed).

Mobile customers that also run Logos Desktop, likely almost everyone in this thread, can use Mobile Management to download all resources (or any selections they wish) to any (or all) mobile devices they may be using on their account.

Unless something has changed recently, not all resources are eligible to be mobile managed via the desktop app.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073539#Comment_1073539

They have since pulled that feature due to support issues.

The "Download All" feature was removed many months after the problem that resulted in thousands of support issues had already been fixed (i.e. previously downloaded resources were not automatically updated while online).

The Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded, as long as one goes online every now and then to make sure that any previously downloaded resources can be automatically updated.

If this is true, why was it removed?

T-Bone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073542#Comment_1073542

Unless something has changed recently, not all resources are eligible to be mobile managed via the desktop app.

Obviously, since not all Desktop resources will work on mobile devices. Interactives are just one (of many) examples but you already knew that. My point is that all resources that can work on mobile devices can be downloaded using the Logos Desktop app mobile management feature. If you are aware of any non-mobile capable resources that can be downloaded to mobile devices using Logos Desktop's mobile management feature please let us know what they are.

T-Bone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073543#Comment_1073543

If this is true, why was it removed?

Please ask Faithlife about why it was removed.

The Faithlife Mobile apps work extremely well while offline (with all resources downloaded). I've tested this extensively for hundreds of hours.

Your next question might be "well, with how many downloaded resources?"

Well over 130,000 resources. Yes, Faithlife has that many - pretty amazing for a small company.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073547#Comment_1073547

If you are aware of any non-mobile capable resources that can be downloaded to mobile devices using Logos Desktop's mobile management feature please let us know what they are.

I do not keep up with this, and it is possible that this has changed. At one point... and not too long ago (relatively speaking), there were resources which were ineligible to be managed in this manner. I <think> that most/all Zondervan titles were included. I just checked and could not see any that weren't allowed to be managed, so this may have changed.

T-Bone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073462#Comment_1073462

Appears to me that the one other important factor is getting enough storage space. Looks like you can actually put a whole library on an iPad now.

Well, no. Not really. FL never intended for the mobile app to download all books. At user request, they added that ability in a hidden manner. They have since pulled that feature due to support issues. There is great debate about this!

The Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded. So, yes, really.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073585#Comment_1073585

The Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded. So, yes, really.

You are making claims that FL has explicitly contradicted. If this is the case I will gladly stop making these comments in the forums.

T-Bone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073587#Comment_1073587

The Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded. So, yes, really.

You are making claims that FL has explicitly contradicted. If this is the case I will gladly stop making these comments in the forums.

JT, you are making claims that FL has never explicitly declared.

Please share the posts where FL has explicitly declared that the Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are not designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded.

Daniel Di Bartolo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073592#Comment_1073592

Hi all,

There are historical reasons why we added the ability to download all of your resources at the tap of a button. We removed that functionality after we added the ability to bulk download in our new Library view (shipped earlier this fall).

All resources now automatically update when you are connected to wifi, which means the people who used bulk download in the past to update their resources no longer need to do that.

For the majority of users, bulk downloading a limited selection of resources meets their needs. If you download your resources as you need them, over time your stable of local resources grows. We even tried to make it easier to see what is downloaded or not via the faceted filtering in the Library. Use faceting to filter down to "Not Downloaded" and whatever subject you want. Then bulk select multiple resources (up to 100) to download.

We've heard from many of you that you enjoy being able to initiate a download of all of your resources at once. We hear that some of you really miss that functionality for a variety of reasons.

We hear you. We'd like remove the limits on what you can download and leave the decision up to you on whether or not you want to initiate such a download to your device. Devices have more storage than ever and you have to fill those drives up!

We'll remove the existing limit.

I don't have a timeline for you on when we'd ship this. It will take some design and technical work to get it right. Those on our beta channels will be the first to know when we are ready to roll it out.

In the meantime, you can select up to 100 resources at a time and download them in the library today.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073599#Comment_1073599

Thanks Daniel. I wasn't even aware of bulk download.[8-|]

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073599#Comment_1073599

Hi all,

There are historical reasons why we added the ability to download all of your resources at the tap of a button. We removed that functionality after we added the ability to bulk download in our new Library view (shipped earlier this fall).

All resources now automatically update when you are connected to wifi, which means the people who used bulk download in the past to update their resources no longer need to do that.

For the majority of users, bulk downloading a limited selection of resources meets their needs. If you download your resources as you need them, over time your stable of local resources grows. We even tried to make it easier to see what is downloaded or not via the faceted filtering in the Library. Use faceting to filter down to "Not Downloaded" and whatever subject you want. Then bulk select multiple resources (up to 100) to download.

We've heard from many of you that you enjoy being able to initiate a download of all of your resources at once. We hear that some of you really miss that functionality for a variety of reasons.

We hear you. We'd like remove the limits on what you can download and leave the decision up to you on whether or not you want to initiate such a download to your device. Devices have more storage than ever and you have to fill those drives up!

We'll remove the existing limit.

I don't have a timeline for you on when we'd ship this. It will take some design and technical work to get it right. Those on our beta channels will be the first to know when we are ready to roll it out.

In the meantime, you can select up to 100 resources at a time and download them in the library today.

Thank you Daniel! Can you tell us from FL/Logos' perspective... are there issues with downloading your entire library to a mobile device such as an iPad? If issues are present, is that something in the future FL/Logos will address? There have been arguments back and forth for a while now as to whether or not it is recommended for one to download their library to a device.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073592#Comment_1073592

JT, you are making claims that FL has never explicitly declared.

Please share the posts where FL has explicitly declared that the Faithlife Mobile Reader apps are not designed to work well when ALL resources are downloaded.

As an example:

Downloading all books in a single transaction is no longer supported, because doing so has caused many problems in the past.

We don’t recommend that you download all Library resources, but only those resources that are absolutely necessary. Of course, you are free to download more than that, if you wish.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/185084/1067292.aspx#1067292

Daniel Di Bartolo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073612#Comment_1073612

While we have recommended not downloading all of the resources in the past, moving forward our recommendation will be to download as many resources as you'd like.

Factors that will impact your experience:

Slow or spotty wifi/data will increase the time it takes to download your resources
If you approach your storage capacity on device, it can impact your device performance (not unique to us)

When we remove the limit for downloading at one time (currently 100), we will work to support that feature and will actively address issues that come up to make it a great experience for you moving forward.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073628#Comment_1073628

While we have recommended not downloading all of the resources in the past, moving forward our recommendation will be to download as many resources as you'd like.

Factors that will impact your experience:

Slow or spotty wifi/data will increase the time it takes to download your resources

If you approach your storage capacity on device, it can impact your device performance (not unique to us)

When we remove the limit for downloading at one time (currently 100), we will work to support that feature and will actively address issues that come up to make it a great experience for you moving forward.

Awesome!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073628#Comment_1073628

When we remove the limit for downloading at one time (currently 100), we will work to support that feature and will actively address issues that come up to make it a great experience for you moving forward.

[Y]

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073632#Comment_1073632

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mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073633#Comment_1073633

Thought I would followup. I picked an iPad Air with 256GB. Ordered it through Amazon and saved about $50 on it and got the keyboard for $100. Ordered a case Jetcase off of eBay for $11 instead of the Apple one which is about $40. Big splurge was 2 day delivery for $16. Very decent savings.

I just got it this afternoon. It's so blisteringly fast and very light. Feeling spoiled already.[8-|]

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073599#Comment_1073599

Hi all,

There are historical reasons why we added the ability to download all of your resources at the tap of a button. We removed that functionality after we added the ability to bulk download in our new Library view (shipped earlier this fall).

All resources now automatically update when you are connected to wifi, which means the people who used bulk download in the past to update their resources no longer need to do that.

For the majority of users, bulk downloading a limited selection of resources meets their needs. If you download your resources as you need them, over time your stable of local resources grows. We even tried to make it easier to see what is downloaded or not via the faceted filtering in the Library. Use faceting to filter down to "Not Downloaded" and whatever subject you want. Then bulk select multiple resources (up to 100) to download.

We've heard from many of you that you enjoy being able to initiate a download of all of your resources at once. We hear that some of you really miss that functionality for a variety of reasons.

We hear you. We'd like remove the limits on what you can download and leave the decision up to you on whether or not you want to initiate such a download to your device. Devices have more storage than ever and you have to fill those drives up!

We'll remove the existing limit.

I don't have a timeline for you on when we'd ship this. It will take some design and technical work to get it right. Those on our beta channels will be the first to know when we are ready to roll it out.

In the meantime, you can select up to 100 resources at a time and download them in the library today.

Daniel

Any updates as to when this functionality will be added? I'd really like to download everything onto my iPad and this limit of 100 resources is really cramping my style

Daniel Di Bartolo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1083716#Comment_1083716

We'd like to tackle this in 2020. We're looking at the work now and should be able to give a more specific timeline soon.

Happy new year!

Chris Rees

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1073537#Comment_1073537

Can you show how to download a selection (or all) of your library to one or more mobile devices from the Desktop version?
I can't see this
Thanks

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1188908#Comment_1188908

Hi Chris - and welcome to the forums

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016752591-Using-the-Library#h.8a5m6mgbbr5l provides some pointers on this

Graham