Searching for significant textual variants within Logos
Hi all,
I recently asked Dr. Daniel B. Wallace if there was a resource available which highlighted the textual variants between the various NT manuscripts, categorized them into the different types of non-intentional and intentional errors and highlight which ones are insignificant and which ones are significant.
Here was his answer:
>Ryan, there is no such resource. But the closest we have to it is the apparatus in the UBS Greek New Testament (about 1500 textual problems) and the apparatus in the Nestle-Aland 27 text (about 10,000 textual problems). However, lots of these are insignificant (in both Greek NTs), and there are several somewhat significant textual problems that are not listed by either text.
I found out that some of the critical Greek apparatus classify the variants as type A, B, etc., however to be truthful, I'm not that knowledgeable in the area of textual criticism.
What I'm wondering is how I might search the UBS or NA27 for the textual variants to find what I'm looking for. For instance, if I wanted to look for the most significant variations, how might I do this? Are they tagged in Logos so that this could be done?
Anyone have any ideas?
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RyanSchatz said:
I found out that some of the critical Greek apparatus classify the variants as type A, B, etc., however to be truthful, I'm not that knowledgeable in the area of textual criticism.
I believe these letters signify the degree of certainty the committee had that their selected reading was the correct one. A = Very Certain … D = We don't have a clue.
Jack
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JackCaviness said:RyanSchatz said:
I found out that some of the critical Greek apparatus classify the variants as type A, B, etc., however to be truthful, I'm not that knowledgeable in the area of textual criticism.
I believe these letters signify the degree of certainty the committee had that their selected reading was the correct one. A = Very Certain … D = We don't have a clue.
Jack
Jack has pretty well set forth the idea behind the alphabetical classification of variants. If you wish to know more about variants in the text, I would recommend Metzger's A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (available in Logos) as well as Tischendorf''s Novum Testamentum Graece: Apparatus Criticus (likewise in Logos). Also, I would recommend Comfort & Barrett The Text of the Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts (yep, it's in there too). There is also a collection dealing with NT textual criticism ( only 1 book on OT text crit.).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Thanks, George and Jack. Thanks also for the references on variants.
However, my initial question was about whether or not (and if so, how) I could search my Logos library for the most significant likely variants (ie. A or
. I'm getting the feeling that this might not be possible. For instance, if the variants are tagged in Logos as above, then I can search them. But I guess that would only return all the "A" variants, for example, and not what I am looking for, which would be all the verses where the original wording is debated and the variants are significant.Maybe someone has written a book listing these significant variants... or they are online somewhere?
Ryan
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Check out the work Wieland Willker has done here: http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
In particular, note this PDF: The top textual variants of the Gospels
(His work has been shared as a user-module in BW, so if someone has the PBB tool, Willker may be willing to let his work be converted for use in Logos.)
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RyanSchatz said:
my initial question was about whether or not (and if so, how) I could search my Logos library for the most significant likely variants (ie. A or
. It's not entirely foolproof, but you can open Metzger's Textual Commentary and do a basic search for the entry in angle brackets <"{A}" or "{B}">.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Thanks, George. That does what I asked for. Metzger's commentary is quite helpful.
That being said, that link Mark provided on Wieland Willker's work is quite interesting and ends up giving me the summary that I was looking for.
Thanks all... questions answered!
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What would be really nice is if one or more of the Greek texts were tagged in Logos with which variant quality constitutes the chosen reading so that even if {A} and {B}, etc. doesn't show up in the text, I could still search it to find out which verses used each quality of variant.
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Ryan Schatz said:
if there was a resource available which highlighted the textual variants between the various NT manuscripts
http://openscriptures.org/prototypes/manuscript-comparator/ might be a good resource, but not quite related to what you require:
Ryan Schatz said:categorized them into the different types of non-intentional and intentional errors and highlight which ones are insignificant and which ones are significant.
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Ryan Schatz said:
But the closest we have to it is the apparatus in the UBS Greek New Testament (about 1500 textual problems) and the apparatus in the Nestle-Aland 27 text (about 10,000 textual problems).
But why we can't see those variants in Logos' UBS4 or NA27?
Thanks.
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Are there good resources in the base package about textual variants/criticism?
(I understand that A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce
Metzger is in the Scholar's gold package)Thanks.
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Kolen Cheung said:
But why we can't see those variants in Logos' UBS4 or NA27?
Because the standard edition of the Greek and Hebrew texts that comes with Logos' base package do not have the critical apparatus. If you want these apparatuses you will have to purchase the SESB or SESB for Logos users (although I'd hold off until the German Bible society updates the packages for Logos 4)
Prov. 15:23
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Kolen Cheung said:
But why we can't see those variants in Logos' UBS4 or NA27?
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to licensing restrictions, the BHS, UBS, and NA27 do not include
critical apparatuses. The apparatuses are included separately in the Stuttgart Electronic
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Kevin Becker said:
Because the standard edition of the Greek and Hebrew texts that comes with Logos' base package do not have the critical apparatus. If you want these apparatuses you will have to purchase the SESB or SESB for Logos users
Thanks.
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