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JLH said:
Very disappointed that my Wordsearch platform is no longer available.
Wordsearch should work just fine until an operating system is unable to run it even in compatibility mode. So take your time getting familiar with the new environment.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I meant after I upgrade to new MAC operating system . Perhaps I will continue to hols on this
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John Fidel said:
Try this:
Open your KJV and make sure it is the reverse interlinear that is tagged. You will know this if you hover over a word it will show you the original language information.
Is there a way to know which of our bibles include the reverse interlinear? Or maybe what I should ask is how to ensure the reverse interlinear is "tagged?"
I appreciate the good detailed instructions [that I deleted for this reply] but I'm not sure how to navigate step #1.
Thanks!!
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Continuing on the reverse interlinear issue.....
I was reading https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028307111-Using-Strong-s-Numbers and it shows the reverse interlinear as part of the ESV. My ESV doesn't show that. Are there different versions of the files that include or do not include that coding in the background? (Still can't figure this out....)
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Richard Ogg said:
Is there a way to know which of our bibles include the reverse interlinear?
Not from the library itself - the functionalities and datasets listed for packages in the store have them. Many users found it helpful to manually tag them in the library - there are 22 English Bibles available that have a Reverse Interlinear, see the screenshot:
Have joy in the Lord!
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Yes, some Bibles originally were published without the reverse interlinear. The quickest way I know to find what RI Bibles you own"
- Open Search
- Select Bible Search all Bibles
- Search for <Person Abraham>
- Run the query. All results are from Bibles with a RI which is how the datatype tag was matched.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Richard Ogg said:
Continuing on the reverse interlinear issue.....
I was reading https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028307111-Using-Strong-s-Numbers and it shows the reverse interlinear as part of the ESV. My ESV doesn't show that. Are there different versions of the files that include or do not include that coding in the background? (Still can't figure this out....)
I don't know anything about which features and datasets you owned in Wordsearch and received in Logos as part of the license migration. If you were a Logos user asking me this question, I'd recommend making sure that you own at least the Starter Feature Set (or any set that includes this), based on the section for interlinears on this page: https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets or alternatively the Fundamentals Set: https://www.logos.com/product/166518/logos-8-fundamentals
Have joy in the Lord!
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MJ. Smith said:
Yes, some Bibles originally were published without the reverse interlinear. The quickest way I know to find what RI Bibles you own"
- Open Search
- Select Bible Search all Bibles
- Search for <Person Abraham>
- Run the query. All results are from Bibles with a RI which is how the datatype tag was matched.
Hmm. I get the search heading[?] shows "Search All Bible Text in Entire Bible in All Bibles for" then the search field is "<person Abraham>" and that yields 0 results. [:(]
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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Richard Ogg said:
Is there a way to know which of our bibles include the reverse interlinear?
RI datasets are not automatically included when you buy a Bible from Logos, even if that Bible does have a RI associated with it. If you go to this page and scroll down to the Interlinears section you will see all the Bibles that Logos has produced a RI for. It should also note which of these you own.
The way one obtains RI Bibles is by buying one of Logos' feature sets (Starter, Bronze, or Full), or by buying a Logos base package with the feature sets it includes.
I don't know what Logos included for WS users in this transition, so you may or may not own one or more RIs.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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This forum definitely needs a "Like" button.....
Mark Smith said:Richard Ogg said:Is there a way to know which of our bibles include the reverse interlinear?
RI datasets are not automatically included when you buy a Bible from Logos, even if that Bible does have a RI associated with it. If you go to this page and scroll down to the Interlinears section you will see all the Bibles that Logos has produced a RI for. It should also note which of these you own.
The way one obtains RI Bibles is by buying one of Logos' feature sets (Starter, Bronze, or Full), or by buying a Logos base package with the feature sets it includes.
I don't know what Logos included for WS users in this transition, so you may or may not own one or more RIs.
This is very helpful. It shows that I was given credit for about 4 RI files on the transition from WS. I'll need to do some work in WS to see exactly how widespread the capability was, but it seems that I could launch into the information on the original Greek word from just about (if not every) Bible I had. And maybe I let them keep working on stuff and phone later in the week, depending on how the conversion seems to be going. I know that the Customer Support team will be buried all week.....
Meanwhile, I'll add one of those to my common Bibles or at least the layouts where I do study work.
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JLH said:
I meant after I upgrade to new MAC operating system . Perhaps I will continue to hols on this
I don't do MAC, but could you clone your current HD, either in whole or in part, to your forthcoming new system. If that is a possibility, then you would still have WS functionality, or so I would assume.
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Richard Ogg said:
It shows that I was given credit for about 4 RI files on the transition from WS.
Well that is good news. RIs carry a lot of the load in Logos, enabling many of its best features. I'm glad you have a choice of Bibles with which to work.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I don't know about the cloning, but thanks for suggestion. I do know that Wordsoft is not compatible with ne MAC operating system .
Wordsoft ws in final stage of an upgrade, but that has been abandoned.
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Richard Ogg said:
It shows that I was given credit for about 4 RI files on the transition from WS.
The following reverse interlinears were included in the "WS Feature Set" that you were given in the migration:
- KJV1900
- LEB (Lexham English Bible)
- LES (Lexham English Septuagint, 2nd Edition)
- Apostolic Fathers (Brannan)
- Apostolic Fathers (Lake)
(Other WS users may have been given a different feature set.)
These don't correspond to licenses migrated from WS, but were unlocked to help you experience some of the advanced features of Logos. (Some of these reverse interlinears also come in Logos 8 Basic, which is a free purchase.) The Bibles for these reverse interlinears were included in your feature set, so they should be ready to use immediately; the Apostolic Fathers reverse interlinears will be available to use if you ever purchase the corresponding text.
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NB.Mick said:NB.Mick said:Daniel Radke said:Kennet said:
I can't find College Press NIV Commentary which I bought in wordsearch,
I am having the same issue.
It looks like we have a mismatch on our side that's preventing these from being unlocked. Since these are in Logos, you should get access to them soon when we fix this. Thanks for your patience.
Thanks Bradley. That was exactly the resource(s) I was missing and wanting to ask for.
Thanks again for your presence on the forums and the great customer service.
And guess what: College Press NIV Commentary just downloaded - awesome!
I've got them now too! Thank you to Bradley and all the Faithlife staff. I'm sure there is so much more involved behind the scenes in making this transition from WS to Logos than has been shared, so thank you Faithlife for working so hard on this and addressing our issues!
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The following reverse interlinears were included in the "WS Feature Set" that you were given in the migration:
You get some more Reverse Interlinears by "purchasing" the free Logos Basic: https://www.logos.com/product/168880/logos-8-basic
Everything in this package is free to use, but you don't actually own it, the books in it will show as temporary licenses in your library.
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Hi Bradley,Jay said:I seem to be missing the New Living Translation, Second Edition and the New International Version (not the Anglicised version) in my account. I have them in Wordsearch. How do I get those in Logos?
I'm not seeing NLT in your Wordsearch licenses. Can you confirm the version you have in Wordsearch by going to the Library, right-clicking on NLT, choose Properties, and copying the Book ID?
It looks like we didn't link up the NIV correctly; we will fix that soon.
The Book ID of the NLT2 that I have is "0:30". It looks like the NLT was pushed to my Logos Bible Software this morning. But it's not the NLT2.
Oh, also, the NIV84 was pushed to me over the weekend also. So I assume the NIV84 is the same or updated version of the NIV that I have in Wordsearch (Book ID: 0:7), and if so, I'm good to go there. Thanks!
One other thing I noticed this morning (if I need to make this is a different thread, just let me know) is that the NASB 1995 Update that I have in Wordsearch (Book ID: 0:32) shows the text in paragraph style. However, the NASB95 that I have in Logos show each verse on a separate line. I've tried going into Visual Filters but none of the settings I'm allowed to check will put it in paragraph style. In doing some research, apparently a paragraph style version came to Logos several years ago. Is it possible that the incorrect NASB95 was pushed to my account? I prefer the paragraph style.
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Jay said:
the NASB95 that I have in Logos show each verse on a separate line. (...) apparently a paragraph style version came to Logos several years ago. Is it possible that the incorrect NASB95 was pushed to my account? I prefer the paragraph style.
If you now own the NASB95, you should be able to get the paragraph version for free - check out https://www.logos.com/product/145179/the-new-american-standard-bible-1995-update
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:Jay said:
the NASB95 that I have in Logos show each verse on a separate line. (...) apparently a paragraph style version came to Logos several years ago. Is it possible that the incorrect NASB95 was pushed to my account? I prefer the paragraph style.
If you now own the NASB95, you should be able to get the paragraph version for free - check out https://www.logos.com/product/145179/the-new-american-standard-bible-1995-update
You ROCK!! Thanks so much, Mick! That's exactly what I was looking for. I have so much to learn. [:D]
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Glad to help you - and I do hope Logos will be a blessed experience for you.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Jay said:
The Book ID of the NLT2 that I have is "0:30". It looks like the NLT was pushed to my Logos Bible Software this morning. But it's not the NLT2.
We don't have the NLT2 (I assume you mean 2004 edition) in Logos.
We are unlocking the 2015 edition for WS users who own either 0:30 or 0:16129.
Jay said:Oh, also, the NIV84 was pushed to me over the weekend also. So I assume the NIV84 is the same or updated version of the NIV that I have in Wordsearch (Book ID: 0:7), and if so, I'm good to go there. Thanks!
Yes; owners of 0:7 get NIV84 and owners of 0:4510 get NIV2011.
Jay said:One other thing I noticed this morning (if I need to make this is a different thread, just let me know) is that the NASB 1995 Update that I have in Wordsearch (Book ID: 0:32) shows the text in paragraph style. However, the NASB95 that I have in Logos show each verse on a separate line. I've tried going into Visual Filters but none of the settings I'm allowed to check will put it in paragraph style. In doing some research, apparently a paragraph style version came to Logos several years ago. Is it possible that the incorrect NASB95 was pushed to my account? I prefer the paragraph style.
I'll ask our migration team about swapping this. Never mind; NB.Mick offered a better option.
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I am missing
Mentor Commentary: Psalms, Volume 1
Chapters 1-72
A Mentor Commentary: Psalms, Volume 2
Chapters 73-150
A Mentor Commentary: Matthew, Volume 1
Chapters 1-13
A Mentor Commentary: Matthew, Volume 2
Chapters 14-28
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Kennet said:
I am missing
Mentor Commentary: Psalms, Volume 1
Chapters 1-72
A Mentor Commentary: Psalms, Volume 2
Chapters 73-150
A Mentor Commentary: Matthew, Volume 1
Chapters 1-13
A Mentor Commentary: Matthew, Volume 2
Chapters 14-28
These were sold as individual ebooks in WS, but are combined into a single resource in Logos. We are still working through these alignments that aren't 1-1.
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If I may, I agree with both of you. I spent a year waffling between the 2. Once I started payments on Logos only to cancel them. A couple times I subscribed to get the full feature set but never spent much time with it. I was spending more time learning the program than actually studying the Bible which is just another resource on Logos.Rene Atchley said:Jeff Frazier said:So far, my experience has been less than satisfactory. I tried downloading the Logos software to my computer to no avail (says file missing). When using the web version, I noticed that my resource, Dispensational Truth, was text only, and the charts and other features are "sold separately." I paid almost $100 for that resource, and now Logos expects me to pay even more to maintain what I had. Moreover none of study resources have migrated yet. So, I will have to continue using both apps until then.
For folks like me who loved the simplicity of Wordsearch, I am disappointed thus far with this so-called superior product. Most of us wrestle with complicated software and complex programs at work that are ever changing. It was nice having a simple resource to study God's Word.
One difference that I have come to realize in the difference between WordSearch and Logos is that are intended to functional totally differently...Dr. duh you say. Consider for a moment that WordSearch is a bible program is actually designed only to work as a bible software platform that is easy to use, quick, and intuitive. While Logos is really more of a search platform designed to search multiple libraries (i.e. secular academic, Catholic, and various faith tradition libraries) which means it is far more complicated and difficult to use. In short Logos is a ai based librarian that tries to be all things to all people in the digital world not a bible program (i.e. e-sword, Olive software) which spits out predigested "bible studies" (i.e. data bases). Be prepared to spend a great deal of money, time, and effort to master this ai product...imo.
Logos seems to tell you how to do things when it comes to writing sermons or keeping notes. I love using the Alpha numeric style of outline with indentation. If I create one in Logos and then try to export or copy and paste it into something else, all that goes out the window, so writing a sermon in any other document than the "Silver Level" sermon editor doesn't seem to work for me.
The other thing I have trouble with is the fact that every random note, passage list, sermon etc. is backed up online in your documents folder and you cannot purge it. The only way I have found to delete a note that I don't want stored online is to open un-delete the document, delete everything that was in the document and then delete the document again. The title will still be stored in your backup documents but now it's updated to be blank. Call me paranoid, I don't care.
Wordsearch was designed for pastors, preachers, teachers and students of the Word. I think they just got backed into a corner when they added in all the other programs and they would have had to rewrite it from the ground up.
Logos is top notch if you work on different devices or even if you can only access the web app. They aren't as generous with the sales and entice you to upgrade by giving you access to features and resources that you currently don't have.
If there would be one feature to remove all my doubts about Logos, it would be to give me control my documents: what is backed up online, and better compatibility when exporting them.
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Good comments. So far , I miss the ease of using Wordsearch fro Bible study.
Perhaps I will like Logos more after a year of use, Wordsearch was more intuitive.
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This!! [Y][Y]Keith Steele said:
If I may, I agree with both of you. I spent a year waffling between the 2. Once I started payments on Logos only to cancel them. A couple times I subscribed to get the full feature set but never spent much time with it. I was spending more time learning the program than actually studying the Bible which is just another resource on Logos.Rene Atchley said:Jeff Frazier said:So far, my experience has been less than satisfactory. I tried downloading the Logos software to my computer to no avail (says file missing). When using the web version, I noticed that my resource, Dispensational Truth, was text only, and the charts and other features are "sold separately." I paid almost $100 for that resource, and now Logos expects me to pay even more to maintain what I had. Moreover none of study resources have migrated yet. So, I will have to continue using both apps until then.
For folks like me who loved the simplicity of Wordsearch, I am disappointed thus far with this so-called superior product. Most of us wrestle with complicated software and complex programs at work that are ever changing. It was nice having a simple resource to study God's Word.
One difference that I have come to realize in the difference between WordSearch and Logos is that are intended to functional totally differently...Dr. duh you say. Consider for a moment that WordSearch is a bible program is actually designed only to work as a bible software platform that is easy to use, quick, and intuitive. While Logos is really more of a search platform designed to search multiple libraries (i.e. secular academic, Catholic, and various faith tradition libraries) which means it is far more complicated and difficult to use. In short Logos is a ai based librarian that tries to be all things to all people in the digital world not a bible program (i.e. e-sword, Olive software) which spits out predigested "bible studies" (i.e. data bases). Be prepared to spend a great deal of money, time, and effort to master this ai product...imo.
Logos seems to tell you how to do things when it comes to writing sermons or keeping notes. I love using the Alpha numeric style of outline with indentation. If I create one in Logos and then try to export or copy and paste it into something else, all that goes out the window, so writing a sermon in any other document than the "Silver Level" sermon editor doesn't seem to work for me.
The other thing I have trouble with is the fact that every random note, passage list, sermon etc. is backed up online in your documents folder and you cannot purge it. The only way I have found to delete a note that I don't want stored online is to open un-delete the document, delete everything that was in the document and then delete the document again. The title will still be stored in your backup documents but now it's updated to be blank. Call me paranoid, I don't care.
Wordsearch was designed for pastors, preachers, teachers and students of the Word. I think they just got backed into a corner when they added in all the other programs and they would have had to rewrite it from the ground up.
Logos is top notch if you work on different devices or even if you can only access the web app. They aren't as generous with the sales and entice you to upgrade by giving you access to features and resources that you currently don't have.
If there would be one feature to remove all my doubts about Logos, it would be to give me control my documents: what is backed up online, and better compatibility when exporting them.
I've watched videos all weekend, slow walked through basic functions and got as far as sermon editor. But, right now, I've concluded I am spending too much prep time just trying to figure out the "How". As vast as the program is it, it feels as if "ease of use" has not been a priority.
At one point I ran across someone "selling" Logos training.....that my friends, is not a good witness.
Please don't take this as a slam on the company, I am merely trying to communicate what, from my humble perspective, will determine whether I ever upgrade anything or just take what I have for free. I am grateful for Logos taking over WS12 and am grateful that my existing WS12 will remain intact offline. If I could request one "feature", it would be a "full backup" option in WS12. Make it so that our existing WS12 program, with full install and libraries contained in one package, can be saved to a backup HDD or other external device in 1 click, ensuring that we can move it from one computer to another when we need to upgrade our computers0 -
First I want to say that i am thankful that my WS books are moving to Logos.
I haven't been a long time user as I just signed up a few months ago. I had an old Logos disc from the early 2000's or something like that but couldn't find a working floppy drive to try it out and see if it could be upgraded.
I'll admit I was at first frustrated with Logos's seemingly complicated u.i. and busy front page. In the long run though, and after trying out the other popular bible programs, I finally got my head around what I was trying to accomplish and just before deleting the free version of Logos off my machine I tried it one more time. I turned off the workflow helpers and finally saw what it could do for me. It was quite intuitive after all and I love how it syncs things between the iPad and computer. Bit by bit I've figured out the little niggles to where I can dive in and find answers in my study of the Word of God. "Pro Tip" scroll down through the guides toolbar and find the explorer guide. You can drag it up to the top of the list to make them more readably available or better yet to the Logos tool bar and then turn it on. It was only after watching the built in tutorials that I found that out. I have Logos 8 Fundamentals and for a small fee, it adds some great benefits above the free version. I'm not sure which Logos library we get with this merger as I haven't seen any change to my Logos account yet.
The only thing was that WS often has, "easier on the pocket book", pricing and so I ended up with 2 libraries and was still, when it made sense, adding resources to WS.
I'm so excited about this change and am still checking every day to see if any books have merged over yet. Maybe it takes longer to get to Canada? :-)
*** God bless you guys at Logos as you deal with the humongous task of transferring licenses and resources between platforms and deal with all the questions and comments in the process! ***
Don
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Don M. said:
I'm not sure which Logos library we get with this merger as I haven't seen any change to my Logos account yet.
Faithlife is transferring your WS books only. Their libraries would not match up with what you've purchased on WS so they will give you your books and the Logos engine for free. I am not sure what datasets and features they are providing, but it is a set that as best as they can matches what you had in WS.
So, bottom line, don't look for a new library in Logos.
Glad you are happy.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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