New in Logos 9: Counseling Guide
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Interesting situation. With the current state of the tagging, which I know will get better soon. I actually had better results opening the new Factbook, entering my term, and choosing counseling theme from the drop-down menu. I now have a new L9 reading plan for a book I found in my library that was just what I was looking for. The number of resources it brought up was still limited as I have 5X as many resources in my library on that topic than what it did bring up, but It was a good start and had more information, especially Bible Passages than the Counseling Guide.
I am not gripping or complaining, just reporting on what I found. I am eagerly anticipating the full build-out of the Counseling Guide. I have great hopes for it.
Carla
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Angela Schira said:
It seems the Verbum packages don't come with any of these resources.
The Verbum packages--at least some of them--definitely come with relevant resources that I am sure will be tagged for the Counseling Guide. That just hasn't happened yet.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Sounds like a helpful workaround for now, Carla.
I, too, am excited about the potential for the Counseling Guide. I just need to be patient. [:)]
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Sean Boisen said:
(Liz, our curator, managed to come up with one for arachnophobia though it's a little indirect).
Excellent choice!
A little bit tongue-in-cheek, but... Gen 7:23, Lev 11:41-43... more seriously: Hos 2:18.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Angela Schira said:
It seems the Verbum packages don't come with any of these resources. I am trying to decide on a package to buy and based on this information it seems the counseling guide would not be usable within Verbum. I'd have to buy a Logos package to have any of the connected resources.
Verbum Silver Feature Upgrade includes the Counseling Ontology (https://verbum.com/compare/featuresets), but I'm not sure about the various resources. The Clinton Quick Reference Collection would provide be a solid set of content.
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cshover8669 said:
I actually had better results opening the new Factbook, entering my term, and choosing counseling theme from the drop-down menu. I now have a new L9 reading plan for a book I found in my library that was just what I was looking for. The number of resources it brought up was still limited as I have 5X as many resources in my library on that topic than what it did bring up, but It was a good start and had more information, especially Bible Passages than the Counseling Guide.
I'm glad that strategy is working well for you, though i'm a little puzzled: i'd expect the Factbook information for a Counseling Theme to be about the same as what's in the Counseling Guide. I'd be curious to know what Factbook pages work this way for you.
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I agree as well, The Journal of Modern Ministry would also be a good addition.
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Chaplain Joseph Mayer said:
Only a few of them are coming up in the Counseling Guide
I agree, I have Jay Adams works, Gary Collins and the Journal of Biblical Counselling and none are coming up. I hope there are plans to expand the guides reach. All in all, Logos has done a great job on L9.
David
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cshover8669 said:
The number of resources it brought up was still limited as I have 5X as many resources in my library on that topic than what it did bring up, but It was a good start and had more information, especially Bible Passages than the Counseling Guide.
These guides will always be curated in terms of what resources are tagged to work with them which once enough resources are tagged and providing you own those resources will make the great starting points. But there will always be other information in your library beyond what the guides point too and so making use of search collections to get to those resources not curated for the guide will always be necessary and valuable when you want even more depth or breadth of information on a topic.
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David R. McAllan said:Chaplain Joseph Mayer said:
Only a few of them are coming up in the Counseling Guide
I agree, I have Jay Adams works, Gary Collins and the Journal of Biblical Counselling and none are coming up. I hope there are plans to expand the guides reach. All in all, Logos has done a great job on L9.
I understand the choice of starting of with June Hunt resources due to their breadth in order to kick it off. These was a Chaplains base package that was available a number of years ago built around this set. But agree with you both that Jay Adams and Gary Collins are no-brainers in terms of individuals whose writings need to be grafted with urgency into this guide if FL want to target writings n this field are known and respected. And the Journal of Biblical Counselling is another one of those resources that just has to be there. Lots of the target audience will have this through the journal bundles they have picked over the years or because they work in this field and will have it so it's not lilke very few people would have it in their libraries who are either pastors or working in counselling.
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...and the Quick Reference Guides with Tim Clinton.
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Where can I find a list of the counseling themes included in the Counseling Guide? Carla
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cshover8669 said:
Where can I find a list of the counseling themes included in the Counseling Guide? Carla
They're not all listed in the application at this point. Until then, you can download the list i posted here, and open the file with a web browser: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194964/1129913.aspx#1129913
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Sean Boisen said:cshover8669 said:
Where can I find a list of the counseling themes included in the Counseling Guide? Carla
They're not all listed in the application at this point. Until then, you can download the list i posted here, and open the file with a web browser: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194964/1129913.aspx#1129913
Thanks Sean, much obliged. Carla
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Sean Boisen said:cshover8669 said:
Where can I find a list of the counseling themes included in the Counseling Guide? Carla
They're not all listed in the application at this point. Until then, you can download the list i posted here, and open the file with a web browser: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194964/1129913.aspx#1129913
I've fixed the link above for those that want to follow it. Thanks for providing this list Sean.
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Here is a list of what I would like to see tagged for the Counseling Guide.
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cshover8669 said:
Here is a list of what I would like to see tagged for the Counseling Guide.
All the Biblical Counseling Keys resources (LLS:BCK*) are already tagged: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194964/1127748.aspx#1127748
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I'd like to see the following resources tagged:
- The Journal of Biblical Counseling
- The Journal of Pastoral Practice
- Everything by Jay Adams, especially The Christian Counselor’s Manual: The Practice of Nouthetic Counseling
I'm not quite sure how it would work, but I'd also like the guide expanded to cover counselling methods, rather than just topics. For example, Counselling: How to counsel biblically has chapters that cover things such as Developing a Helping Relationship with Counselees and Instilling Hope in the Counselee. These, and many similar methodological chapters, are vital in counselling, and it would be a real help if they could be surfaced in the guide.
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Mark Barnes said:
I'm not quite sure how it would work, but I'd also like the guide expanded to cover counselling methods, rather than just topics. For example, Counselling: How to counsel biblically has chapters that cover things such as Developing a Helping Relationship with Counselees and Instilling Hope in the Counselee. These, and many similar methodological chapters, are vital in counselling, and it would be a real help if they could be surfaced in the guide.
This is a great idea. It makes me think of the methods and the topics included in the 30 hours of training for track 1 of ACBC certification:
I. Orientation to and Dynamics of Biblical Counseling
A. Basics of Biblical Counseling
1. The Need for Biblical Counseling
2. The Definition and Goal of Biblical Counseling
3. Progressive Sanctification
4. Process of Biblical Change
5. Qualifications of a Biblical Counselor
6. Getting to Heart IssuesB. Key Elements in Biblical Counseling
1. Gathering Data
2. Discerning Problems Biblically
3. Establishing Involvement with Counselees
4. Giving Hope
5. Providing Instruction
6. Giving HomeworkII. Critical Reflection on Various Theories in Counseling
A. Secular and Integration Theories
B. What Makes Biblical Counseling Biblical?III. Husband and Wife Relationships
A. God’s Purpose for Marriage
B. Roles of the Husband and Wife
C. Communication
D. Biblical SexualityIV. Parent and Child Relationships
A. Goal of Parenting
B. Parental Instruction
C. Parental DisciplineV. Frequent Issues in Counseling
A. Guilt and Repentance
B. Forgiveness
C. Trials and Suffering
D. Fear and Worry
E. Anger
F. Depression
G. Sexual SinVI. Medical Issues in Counseling
A. Physical Illness and Biblical Counseling
B. Psychotropic Drugs and Biblical Counseling
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I have taken a quick look at the counseling guide with some interest in its development. On one hand I find the connected listing with related as almost a useless tool for my day-to-day work as a licensed therapist (LCSW/LISW/MSW)/D. Min). On the other hand if this tool can be used, simplified, and meaningful then it is likely that my pocketbook will be a bit more open to FL. Limitations of this guide after purchasing hundreds if not thousands of counseling resources from FL seems more than a bit frustrating. After a drive by of the guide it seems to me that, at best, its a high school guide to mental health topics....for the guide to be useful it needs to be, at minimum, a level 100 general guide accessing my resources. You have my interest FL how about adding substance?
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Hi,
I'm wondering if there are any more additions of resources tagged for the Counseling Guide? I'm looking forward to using this a lot once it is more full (like with the Journal of Biblical Counseling tagged, for example).
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I’m also looking forward to resources like this being tagged!
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cshover8669 said:
Here is a list of what I would like to see tagged for the Counseling Guide.
All the Biblical Counseling Keys resources (LLS:BCK*) are already tagged: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194964/1127748.aspx#1127748
Bradley, I don't know if it is an isolated case or not, but I do know that Biblical Counseling Keys on Depression (LLS:BCKDEPRSSN) is not on that list, nor does it show up in my counseling guide.
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Ryan said:cshover8669 said:
Here is a list of what I would like to see tagged for the Counseling Guide.
All the Biblical Counseling Keys resources (LLS:BCK*) are already tagged: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194964/1127748.aspx#1127748
Bradley, I don't know if it is an isolated case or not, but I do know that Biblical Counseling Keys on Depression (LLS:BCKDEPRSSN) is not on that list, nor does it show up in my counseling guide.
Looks like we may have missed that one: I'll create a case to add it.
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Hi everyone, does anyone know when the Journal of Biblical Counselling and other biblical counselling resources will be indexed (correct terminology?) so they show up under "Books From Your Library" in the Counselling Guide? At the moment there are only a few resources showing under "Monographs" for any given counselling topic.
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Richard Byrne said:
will be indexed (correct terminology?)
The term is "tagged."
Richard Byrne said:does anyone know
No. FL doesn't provide this information normally. The "best" answer you are likely to get is something like "it is on the docket." That, however, doesn't provide any timeframe.
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JT,
I would love to see some sort of timeline. Hopefully, FL can begin updating resources or at least allow it to be customizable for individuals who have already purchase resources for their library.
G
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I see that June Hunt's resources are no longer available for purchase. That takes away a big chunk from the Counseling Guide.
What resources will take over?
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Quick Scripture Reference for Counseling Collection (4 vols.) | Logos Bible Software
I bought the the Quick Scripture Counseling Guides in the December Publisher Spotlight thinking they would appear in the Counseling Guide. They do not seem to be. Does anyone know if there is a list on projected books to be added
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Stephen McCracken said:
Quick Scripture Reference for Counseling Collection (4 vols.) | Logos Bible Software
I bought the the Quick Scripture Counseling Guides in the December Publisher Spotlight thinking they would appear in the Counseling Guide. They do not seem to be. Does anyone know if there is a list on projected books to be added
We completely missed adding those. They seem like they'd be a great addition.
We'll work on getting them added to the Guide. I'd like to say they'll be available by December 21, but January 11 feels more likely.
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