Did Denominational Tags Make it into L9?
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Hamilton Ramos said:
Do you know of any resources in L9 that go in deep into all of this?
I reliably recommend https://ref.ly/logosres/trntynntrdtrngd on the subject of the Trinity.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Hi SineNomine:
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are really distinct: they are three hypostases or persons; each exists or subsists in a proper manner
Emery, G. (2011). The Trinity: An Introduction to Catholic Doctrine on the Triune God. (M. Levering & T. J. White, Eds., M. Levering, Trans.) (Vol. 1, p. 83). Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press.
I thought the reason why the perceived Divine Substantive Realities were named Hypostases, was precisely because it was incorrect to apply anthropomorphism to God.
God is not a Being that we have experience of what the particularities are because we are not Him.
To say God is a Person is precisely what we should not do, because He is more than that, He is the creator of Persons. Our contextual experience as living beings does not permit us to know for sure what being God is like.
We perceive Divine Substantive Realities that (to our limited perceptual capacity) seem to be persons, but obviously are not:
The Holy Spirit is one, but is atop millions of believers guiding and helping each. Hardly a person, but perfectly a Divine Substantive Reality.
And is that mystery what I think Blair is talking about.
From what I understand Hypostases does not equal person.
As some critics would say, It seems that an uninspired person (Athanasius) made Hypostases equal to person, violating the original intent of the Hypostases concept.
Is there a L9 resource that goes into deep about the definition of "person" in the trinity definition?
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Hi Hamilton Ramos,
I sent you a message through faithlife.com with my contact info so we can go more in depth. Thanks for responding to this thread0 -
Rosie Perera said:
It's a good thing I'm not an author
Actually... I'm pretty sure you ended up in the author data at some point for some particular reason. Didn't you contribute some data at some point that for a while showed up as an attribution or something? Or am I thinking of someone else? At any rate, you show up in Factbook! Although you don't appear to currently have any works associated with you, and there isn't any other actual data...
Wow! I'm in Factbook?! Cool. Maybe it's because I'm the photographer who took this photo of Eugene Peterson (and another one of Peter Harris) in an article in Christianity Today in 2011 (vol 55, no. 1).
But this is weird...a BUG: It says it finds 12 Factbook entries for me. But 11 of those entries it found (even using my name in quotation marks) are for people that had either Rosie or Perera as part of their name.
Also, why is the font size so much smaller in the Factbook than in the Search results?
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Hamilton Ramos said:
Is there a L9 resource that goes into deep about the definition of "person" in the trinity definition?
Yes. https://ref.ly/logosres/trntynntrdtrngd?ref=Page.p+83 (Same book: I suggest you read all of chapter four, the first page of which you quoted from. As you know, that chapter is called "Three 'Persons' or 'Hypostases'".)
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Rosie Perera said:
It says it finds 12 Factbook entries for me. But 11 of those entries it found (even using my name in quotation marks) are for people that had either Rosie or Perera as part of their name.
This is not a bug. The Factbook autocomplete does its best to find near matches. It's much more "fuzzy" than our other autocomplete searches.
Rosie Perera said:Also, why is the font size so much smaller in the Factbook than in the Search results?
They look the same on my machine. Perhaps you changed the panel's font size in either the Search or Factbook panel.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Rosie Perera said:
Also, why is the font size so much smaller in the Factbook than in the Search results?
They look the same on my machine. Perhaps you changed the panel's font size in either the Search or Factbook panel.
Ah yes, that was it. I'd forgotten that you could change the font size in panels that weren't resources. I must have done that in the Search panel at some point.
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Ok Blair.
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Yes SineNomine, I will read, thanks for sharing it.
I found a promising book also:
https://www.logos.com/product/17537/person-grace-and-god
I also found some information. It seems that Boethius was the one giving a definition of person.
For a person, according to the classical definition of Boëthius, is nothing else than an individual substance of a rational nature, ‘persona est rationalis naturae individua substantia’. Nor is it to be wondered at that the subsistence of a being endowed with reason should enjoy the privilege of a special name: it is a free agent, and master of its own actions and responsible author of its own destiny; it is the sole kind of being that is conscious of its own individuality; and accordingly it realizes in a way beyond all other things that fullness and independence of being and action which constitute the characteristic of subsistence.
Mercier. (1916–1917). A Manual of Modern Scholastic Philosophy. (T. L. Parker & S. A. Parker, Trans.) (Eighth Edition, Vol. 1, p. 485). London; St. Louis: Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co., Ltd.; B. Herder.
The problem I see here, is that a presupposition is that is talking about "created persons", how can you then apply such definition to the Hypostases of Divine Nature precisely involved in the creation of persons (humans)?
By the way FL, very good the improvement of the Factbook, just by hovering over the person keyword in the dictionaries section, gives a brief look, and is obvious that there was a massive problem in the translation of the greek term Hypostases.
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