Attn Faithlife: Tagging of elohim

Dave Hooton

The 'genesis' of this comes from Elohim sense categorized as deity vs idol and Elohim Sense Errors.

Baiscally it concerns the tagging of <H430> elohim, which is usually translated gods or God, and whether the gods are treated as idols and tagged as <Things> or <Persons> and the consistency with <Sense>. I understand that the tagging may differ from the translation, but that is not the issue here.

1. <Sense = idol>  INTERSECTS <H430> applies to Ex 20:23 and 10 others where <Thing idol> or another <Thing...> are usually applied. But Dt 4.28, 1 Sam 7.3, 2 Kings 17.29, and 2 Chronicles 25:14 have <Person Any Deity> or specific <Person...>. Why the <Person> tag without a <Thing> tag?

2. Ex 32:31, Ex 34:17, Lev 19:4 are particularly inconsistent. <H430> is tagged as <Sense = deity> and <Person Any Deity> but their context clearly indicates that they are idols. Only their 'qualifier'  is tagged as an idol e.g. 'cast metal', 'of gold'

3.  <Sense = deity> INTERSECTS <Thing Idol>,  <Sense = idol> show other inconsistencies.

4. <Person Any Deity> INTERSECTS <Sense God (Israelite)> INTERSECTS <H430> shows inconsistencies both ways i.e. where elohim is clearly Yahweh and elohim is clearly not Yahweh. Results include Psalm 82:6 and 138:1.

Into Grace

Thanks, Dave for creating this thread. Following.

Jeremy Thompson

Hi Dave:

Thank you for pointing out the inconsistencies. I can see from the examples in 2 there are some definite problems here, so I will review our tagging of elohim.

Into Grace

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1147590#Comment_1147590

Hi Jeremy,

Please look into Psalm 45:6. This human king (vocative translation: “O God”) has the sense tagged as “God (Israelite).” It is a wedding coronation of a Dividic king (possibly Solomon) that went on to have children. 

Thank you.