In INTERTEXT search how do I specify any quotation?
In an Intertext label search, I only want labels that specify a target. I do not want labels that specify a source. Put another way I only want the quotation ... not the original source. Usually, "any value" is handled by omitting the attribute - which doesn't work in this case. HELP
Okay, I got thrown by inconsistent documentation between the Help and the dataset documentation. So I want to identify all text that is a quotation, Biblical or otherwise. Justin gets me Biblical quotations ... I still need to account for non-biblical quotations.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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How about
{Label Intertext WHERE Source ~<Genesis-Malachi>}?
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Or {Label Intertext WHERE Source ~<Genesis-4 Macc>} to include references to the Apocrypha. Logos tags 77.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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MJ. Smith said:
In an Intertext label search, I only want labels that specify a target.
Visual Filter has an example target search:
Complete Jewish Bible uses Bold text in New Covenant when quoting Old Covenant:
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Big step forward
- I don't care what the source is - non-Biblical texts need to also be recognized as quoted
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Okay using your example, this worked {Label Intertext WHERE Target ~ <Bible Ge-Rv>} ... I was going awry on letting relationships default. Thank you.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I want to require that target be specified and be Biblical - preferably Catholic canon rather than my usual ecumenical canon
Deuterocanonical search: {Label Intertext WHERE Target~<Ge-Rv>}
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay using your example, this worked {Label Intertext WHERE Target ~ <Bible Ge-Rv>} ... I was going awry on letting relationships default. Thank you.
The Target by default is "New Testament", so <Ge-Rev> does not make sense, and you get the same result as <Mt-Rev> i.e. a list of all the sources in whatever bible/canon you chose to search. D-R has more results than NRSV.
If you want to specify a particular source and list the NT targets, use {Label Intertext WHERE Source ~<1 Macc>} (5 results) or {Label Intertext WHERE Source ~<lxx-r Sirach>} (32 results).
Dave
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Where I am getting myself confused is not the NT use of the OT but the non-canonical texts - my apologies re: the forum treatment of the indentations.
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Structure
Each Intertext label includes some combination of the following attributes:
• Relationship: The intertextual relationship between the canonical and noncanonical references.• Citation: An explicit reference to scripture with a citation formula (e.g. “It is written,” or “the Lord says,” or “the prophet says,” or something along those lines).
• Quotation: A direct reference to scripture, largely matching the verbatim wording of the canonical source but without a citation formula.
• Allusion: An indirect but intentional reference to scripture, but likely intended to invoke memory of the scripture.
• Echo: A verbal parallel evokes or recalls a scripture (or series of scriptures) to the reader, but likely without authorial intention to reproduce exact words.
• Corpus: The noncanonical corpora analyzed and curated for this dataset include:
• Apostolic Fathers
• Dead Sea Scrolls Sectarian Material
• Old Testament Pseudepigrapha
• Nag Hammadi Codices
• New Testament Apocrypha
• Works of Josephus
• Works of Philo
• Source: The canonical (Biblical) source of the intertextual relationship
• Target: The noncanonical reference that is in intertextual relationship with the canonical text
Relationship to the New Testament Use of the Old Testament Dataset
This dataset and the New Testament Use of the Old Testament Dataset use the same Label, Intertext. They also both use a Corpus attribute to allow targeting of a particular corpus with an intertextual search. If a Corpus of New Testament is specified, then only intertextuality in the New Testament will be evaluated. Similar restrictions occur if a Corpus of Apostolic Fathers is specified.Rick Brannan, Noncanonical Texts’ Use of the Bible: Dataset Documentation (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2017).
I've managed to fully confuse myself on how to identify Biblical texts that are quotations of non-canonical texts ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I don't see what to do except make a passage list of all the targets from Genesis-Revelation, then a passage list of all the sources from Genesis to Revelation and then make a third passage list based on the difference between the two. It is clunky but without a NOT operator, I don't see a better way. I guess you could just list the target as all of the non-cannonical books with OR. But that seems even clunkier to me.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Basically, yes. Use {Label Intertext WHERE Target ~ <Bible Mt-Rev>} on a canonical OT text and get a Passage List. Then run it on a non-canonical text (LXX) and get a PL. Then get the difference between the two.
Dave
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Drats. Thanks for the help ... I guess I wasn't confused so much as unwilling to accept the results of my thought.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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