Collection rule not working

Hello.

I am trying to create a rule with just the sermon books in Logos. But the rule I wrote doesn't seem to be working. It is still showing me commentaries even though I typed in the rule field "ANDNOT..... type:calendar,commentary,magazine."

subject:sermon,sermons OR series:"Expository Pulpit Series" ANDNOT (title:illustration,outline,autobiography,history OR type:calendar,commentary,magazine OR communitytag:homiletics,theology,discipleship,illustration,preaching)

I tried putting the first two in a parenthesis, but it is still not working:

(subject:sermon,sermons OR series:"Expository Pulpit Series") ANDNOT (title:illustration,outline,autobiography,history OR type:calendar,commentary,magazine OR communitytag:homiletics,theology,discipleship,illustration,preaching)

Thanks for the help.

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MJ. Smith

Welcome to the forums. You appear to be using types in a way other than they show in the library - you are excluding non-Bible commentaries. Biblical commentaries are "Bible Commentaries"

Make that correction and we can make the next step. However, the rule type:sermon OR title:(sermon,homily) should pick up all books of sermons although there may be a few sermons scattered among other writings that are missed. The test on title is simply because some homilies of early church fathers are treated as Biblical commentaries rather than sermons.

Andrew Batishko

type:calendar,commentary,magazine

This is equivalent to type:calendar OR commentary OR magazine, which is definitely not what you want. You need something more like type:(calendar,commentary,magazine) or like type:calendar,type:commentary,type:magazine

Radjun

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158583#Comment_1158583

Thanks, MJ and Andrew. Your suggestion, MJ, indeed missed out some books as you predicted but it also picked up other ones I didn't want there like illustrations. So I tried simplifying it somewhat:

subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons ANDNOT type:"Bible Commentary", illustrations

It didn't work. I still see illustrations and Bible commentaries. So I tried Andrew's suggestion to use the parenthesis another way:

subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", illustrations)

Same results.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158609#Comment_1158609

subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", illustrations)

Try putting the first half of the string - before the ANDNOT - in parentheses:

(subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons) ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", illustrations)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158609#Comment_1158609

Same results.

Graham gave you a good answer. But just to be sure, you do understand that the Bible Commentaries picked up are in fact sermons not commentaries from the point of view of the author and the original audience.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158609#Comment_1158609

subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", illustrations)

It's picking up illustrations because you fixed one instance of the problem, but not the other. When you use a field identifier, it has a higher "precedence" than the comma. That means that it's only going to apply to the first term in the list. You would have to use parenthesis to indicate that the field applies to all the terms in the list.

(subjects:(sermon,sermons) OR type:sermons) ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", illustrations)

Radjun

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158680#Comment_1158680

Thanks for the suggestions. The placing of the parenthesis worked. I just had to include in the ANDNOT argument a lot of other things I didn't want in the collection.

I did this: (subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons) ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", Illustrations,magazine,"Media Collection","Festschrift","Journal","Handbook","Biblical Theology","Courseware Textbook","Study Bible")

It worked. Thanks.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158855#Comment_1158855

I did this: (subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons)

I believe you may have meant (subject:(sermon,sermons) OR type:sermons).

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1158855#Comment_1158855

I did this: (subjects:sermon,sermons OR type:sermons) ANDNOT type:("Bible Commentary", Illustrations,magazine,"Media Collection","Festschrift","Journal","Handbook","Biblical Theology","Courseware Textbook","Study Bible")

You missed parentheses around the subjects options again! However, you can simplify that with (subj:sermon OR type:sermons) because partial matches are allowed.

Your results will include type:"Sermon Outlines"; which you do not exclude with the ANDNOT. Therefore consider (subj:sermon OR type:sermon) because type:sermon will match type:"Sermon Outlines".