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Personally, I am content with Logos. It does everything I need to do. So I have no need to mention the others.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
We have several Special Interest Groups:
Anglican
Lutheran
Orthodox
Pentecostal & Charismatic
Reformed
Seventh-day Adventist
Verbum [Catholic] [Still missing its own Forum but the only one with a Blog]Only the Verbum group has released a $50 package that allows FULL study of their Beliefs.
[The others are working on Special Interest Group Packages but they will have a hard time matching Verbum.]
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Michael Childs said:
Personally, I am content with Logos. It does everything I need to do. So I have no need to mention the others.
Coming late to the discussion. I use four different programs. Accordance and Olivetree work well for me for somethings and I have no wish to duplicate resources I already own there. Wordsearch offers several items that I can not find elsewhere. They all have their uses.. That being said Logos is used most heavily because at least 75% of all my resources are in it (probably logos has available 90% of all i own). I would be really nice if only one was needed, Logos offers most everything I want but not quite all and their mobile experience while good is not the best for me. I, and others, have asked in forums in the past why dose x company have something so much cheaper. But in the end it matters not.. We are not privy to the inside deals publishers make with various software companies. I know when i asked about the price difference of one item years ago I was told that the publisher would't let them price it as low as company B. I eventually found a Logos 3 CDROM for purchase that had the items on for a good price, and now Logos has a similar if not same price for the work. But that just goes to show you how sometimes contracts ties one companies hands and when all is said and done if we want the cheaper price there is nothing stoping us from using the other software (and doing our own price comparison, i must admit more than once I have bought a CDROM for Logos resources because it was significantly cheaper than getting it directly from Logos).
-Dan
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At one time you could use sources across several publishers because they all used the same step format. That was very nice while it lasted.0
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STEP had unresolvable issues.
Take for example my Logos copy of the NET Bible. Sometimes I'm not entirely sure it's correct. So I compare it to my NET Bible in Olivetree. If the passage is especially difficult, I may also compare it to my NET Bible in PocketBible. Just a couple of days ago I luckily had an NET Bible on my Kindle, which turned out to have the better reading.
I could never have done this in a STEP environment.
Now granted, I could have also cross-checked the NET Bible in my own Bible software, but I 'adjust' the text as needed when NET is incorrect (ok, call me a 'copyist').
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
I could never have done this in a STEP environment.
Why not? I would assume that during the high point of STEP you might have had four STEP based programs and that each would have sold you a version of the NET file. You still could have run all four programs open to the NET or even loaded all four files into any one of the four programs.
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David ... I was only demonstrating the nuttiness of the present situation buying 4 copies plus a free changable one. STEP would have only required a single purchase.
I notice Oaktree updated their Windows page yesterday, with the release on-track for September. I'm thinking to maybe get the NET Bible.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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LaRosa Johnson said:
I think it's cool that all of these companies can work together in one way or another & that they all have the common goal of getting people to study the Word of God
I would like to see them work together in a greater way. I would like to see a common licensing arrangement, or better yet a common file format.
For example: I can go to the store and buy a movie on a DVD or a Blueray disc. I can take it home and insert it into my Blueray player. It does not matter which manufacturer I bought the player from, I can be confident that the disc will play. If I have a Sony player in my living room, and a Panasonic or an LG player in my bedroom, the disc will play in any and all of them.
With Bible software, I have the ESV Study Bible in Bibleworks. I have the NASB and the NLT in Laridian. I have other resources such as TDNT in Olivetree. And numerous resources in Logos.
If I want to view any of these resources on a different platform, I have to purchase them AGAIN. Some of these I have already paid for licenses 3 or 4 times, but still cannot view them anywhere at any time. If I want to read any of these resources on my Nook e-Reader, I have to pay for them over again.
The cost of Logos includes licenses for dozens of resources. But If I also buy another competing product, I have to repay those same license fees over again.
The individual companies that resell these licenses are competing with each other, and they make their profit margin either way. But the customer many times is paying for the same product over again. The customer loses, and until the customers demand change, this unfair system will continue to exist.
This is a crime being committed by the publishers, essentially charging the end user multiple times for the same product. And I know someone will argue against what I am saying here, that the license has restrictions that require you to pay again for A B or C reasons. That argument misses the whole point. The licensing scheme is part of the problem.
In the past, an attempt was made with a format called STEP, which seems to have disappeared from view. The format may have failed, but the idea behind it was good. You could pay for a license for a STEP resource once, and then view it in any software on any platform that supported STEP.
Bibleworks now has the ability to read some Wordsearch resources, which the purchaser can view in either program. This is a step in the right direction for the customer. The question is, will other companies join an effort like this and support it, or continue business as usual and hope that it goes away like STEP did. My guess is the latter, because doing what is right for the customer usually takes a back seat to the bottom line.
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Denise said:
I notice Oaktree updated their Windows page yesterday, with the release on-track for September. I'm thinking to maybe get the NET Bible.
The Windows port is looking pretty good. It is F.A.S.T. I really, really wish Logos would spend a few cycles working on optimization & polish.
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Randy W. Sims said:Denise said:
I notice Oaktree updated their Windows page yesterday, with the release on-track for September. I'm thinking to maybe get the NET Bible.
The Windows port is looking pretty good. It is F.A.S.T. I really, really wish Logos would spend a few cycles working on optimization & polish.
As a long time mac Accordance user I can say it's speed is one of the things i value most about it. It is also generally pretty stable… Version 10 seems to have brought some interesting glitches but I am sure those bugs will get squashed soon. Logos 5 mac seems pretty stable but it does feel very bloated and less responsive than I would like. That being said it is a improvement over 4 and I realize that Logos has to get things working perfectly before they can work too hard on optimization.
-Dan
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Well, first things first.
Sgt Joe Friday on the Los Angeles Police Department: 'Just the maps, maam.' (Dragnet; per Wikipedia, that was not quite the quote.)
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
David ... I was only demonstrating the nuttiness of the present situation buying 4 copies plus a free changable one. STEP would have only required a single purchase.
Ok. Now I understand. One of the reasons that STEP died is that it allowed the use of the file under more then one program. The publishers want their cut for every reader program we use. Logos is cutting a lot of red tape. [And some of the STEP readers let one copy and paste formats]
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