Unexpected results in Bible Browser Tool

Graham Criddle

I was suprised to see these results in the Bible Browser Tool - where I am filtering on God speaking to Abraham and Abraham is not involved in the interaction in Gen 20

If I change the display mode to Verse then no results for Gen 20 are shown.

Is this a bug in the tool or am I misunderstanding how it works?

Andrew Batishko

In your example, Bible Browser is showing all the pericopes that contain both God speaking (marked in yellow) and Abraham being spoken to (marked in blue, visible in vs 9 and after). There is no requirement that those cover the exact same text.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1186284#Comment_1186284

In your example, Bible Browser is showing all the pericopes that contain both God speaking (marked in yellow) and Abraham being spoken to (marked in blue, visible in vs 9 and after). There is no requirement that those cover the exact same text.

Thanks Andrew - I had clearly misunderstood how the filters combined.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1186284#Comment_1186284

In your example, Bible Browser is showing all the pericopes that contain both God speaking (marked in yellow) and Abraham being spoken to (marked in blue, visible in vs 9 and after). There is no requirement that those cover the exact same text.

Andrew, I find it to be unexpected. Why change the interpretation between Verse and Pericope? i.e.

Verse: {Speaker <Person God>} AND {Addressee <Person Abraham>}  ----> God speaks to Abraham

Pericope: {Speaker <Person God>} AND {Addressee <Person Abraham>}  -----> God speaks + anyone who speaks to Abraham

Add a further Addressee (Moses) and we have:-

Verse: {Speaker <Person God>} ({Addressee <Person Abraham>} AND {Addressee <Person Moses>})

Pericope: I don't understand this because it includes  a Quarreling Israelite speaking at Acts 7:27, 35

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1186373#Comment_1186373

Andrew, I find it to be unexpected. Why change the interpretation between Verse and Pericope? i.e.

Thanks Dave

What I took from Andrew's explanation is that the Verse / Pericope setting is not just a display option but it affects the scope of the search as well.

So in both cases, the search terms are effectively combined with an AND operator - but the scope of the AND is either the verse or the pericope.

Edit: However, I see this doesn't explain the quarrelling Israelite case you mention!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1186373#Comment_1186373

In the Bible Browser there is no INTERSECT (or any other relationship) - each facet you enter is treated totally independently. The only logical relation is an implicit AND - because each additional facet only looks at the current results.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1186373#Comment_1186373

Pericope: I don't understand this because it includes  a Quarreling Israelite speaking at Acts 7:27, 35

The pericope of Acts 7:1-53 is included because it includes text where God is the speaker (such as 7:3), it also includes text where Abraham is being spoken to (such as 7:3), and it also includes text where Moses is being spoken to (such as 7:27).

There is nothing that requires the selected speaker and addressee to intersect the same range of text.

MJ described it well just above.

The way it works is by doing three independent checks:

1. Does the pericope include text where God is speaking?
2. Does the pericope include text where Abraham is being spoken to?
3. Does the pericope include text where Moses is being spoken to?

If the answer to each of those independent questions is "yes", then the pericope is displayed.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1186393#Comment_1186393

There is nothing that requires the selected speaker and addressee to intersect the same range of text.

MJ described it well just above.

Yes. I understand it now.

I had to look  closely at Acts 7:27, 35 to see that the addressee was Moses.