How can I do a homiletical outline of John 1:1-18 in Logos? I know that homiletics deals with preaching, so this would be an outline for how I would preach this passage and apply it to a congregation.
use Sermon Starter Guide to find Outlines or/and Sermon Outlines.
How can this be done?
I'm getting a bit puzzled as to how best to answer your questions. You clearly want to study, but in order to study you need to be able to do your own basic research. Should I be directing you to the Logos training e.g. How do I find Sermon Outlines? – Logos Help Center ? Do you need screenshots? How best do I help you learn to find or understand an answer (teach you to fish) rather than giving you an answer that solves the immediate problem but does not move you forward (give you a fish)?
This is great
Teach me to fish
I am not Christian. I am just another student that is probably driving you all nuts at this point. I try to tag along behind Christian, to learn as much as I can without asking it myself, or trying to fish, without yet being trained to fish.
#1. I don't know what I don't know. I am missing critical context needed to understand the thing I am trying to learn. I don't even know what questions to ask.
#2. Sometimes my current assignment is due NOW, and the professor did not factor in time to learn the software, just the time to use the software, or did not expect me to use the software at all.
#3. I don't have all the features and books that the tutorials show and long-time users have. My screen looks different and is not as useful.
#4. I am finding bugs and don't know when it is a bug or when I am not trained enough to use the software yet. Sometimes I don't know I am missing the features you all have.
#5. I am under a firehose of new information, and I cannot absorb and retain all the information being thrown at me. Even what I learn, I forget. I forget that I even forgot things and think they are new. Sure, we have access to all this "timesaving" stuff, but we have to learn to use it. And this is a huge undertaking.
#6. I struggle to prioritize what to focus on. I have learned that the best thing sometimes is to turn off the software, aim for a 40%, and just start writing a piece of trash of the minimum length allowed. Then spend the remaining time trying to clean it up, the "right" way. I tend not to do this until I am desperate. I think the most successful students are those that don't try as hard, and are so clueless that they don't know how bad their papers are. I know someone that keeps talking about the Dunning-Kruger effect. I have lost a link to a blog by a professor that said that professors really don't want to read student papers, so stop trying to write something impressive.
Good luck Christian! And thanks for letting me tag along behind you.
How can I do a homiletical outline
Since the original question is related to the art of making a homiletical outline, I would use one of the sermon prep workflows you can download to your Logos. They give multiple kinds of “fishing techniques.”
My usual fishing technique (based on many workflows):
...a homiletical outline of John 1:1-18... an outline for how I would preach this passage and apply it to a congregation.
Example (John 1: 1-18)
Of course - it goes without saying - your congregation might lead you to a totally different kind of answers found in the same text / pericope. This is what I find so exciting about preaching. Never twice the same!
Olli, I am not the OP, but thank you so much!
I have taught Sunday School children, but I doubt I will every "preach". I am exploring making my academic research papers more sermon like when this is appropriate. I am not even sure why, but I have learned to try my gut and that is what I think I am supposed to do right now.
What you just took the time to write out was amazingly helpful. God bless you!
Forums are funny places. You never have any idea who might be reading and benefiting from public posts, and sometimes only years later when they pop up in a search.
How can I do a homiletical outline of John 1:1-18 in Logos?
Existing workflows are useful. Here's a screenshot on how you can find them in the Desktop App:
1) First, click on the docs. 2) Then, click on the "Public", where you can browse workflows made and shared by other users. 3) Type in the search box the word "sermon", if it's homiletical workflows you're looking for. Instead, you could type the word "homiletical". See what comes up. You can download the workflows made by fellow Logos users. (Many of them are based on already existing Homiletics Books in Logos).
In my opinion using a workflow is a much better way (although a more arduous one) than using existing outlines. This way you can tailor your outline according to your congregation. Of course, if you're busy, there's nothing wrong with existing homiletical outlines.
In my opinion, the homiletical process should be a bilateral process where the two poles are the text being preached and the ordinary, everyday situation of your congregation. Using a workflow that takes into account the other pole, that is: your congregation, guarantees the bilaterality. Using existing outlines makes the sermon easily too unilateral.
Olli, I am not the OP, but thank you so much!... What you just took the time to write out was amazingly helpful. God bless you!
Thanks. Blessings to you, too!
This will depend heavily upon your personality AND/OR your professor's expectation. At a minimum from my Homiletics I course you will want:
Introduction written word for word
Main Point Stated
Transition written word for word
Conclusion/Call for Response
Thank you for sharing your opinion and this advice. "Two poles" is a memorable and useful phrase to apply to writing and speaking! It creates a picture in my mind that will be harder to forget. One that I can paste on top of other outlines and ask myself if I need to tweak the one beneath.
David,
Thank you for typing out this outline. This is pretty much what I have been doing, and having it right below Olli's outline is giving me a chance to think about a recently written paper. I might have been able to merge the two outlines into a better paper than what I wrote.
Lots to think about. Again, I am not the OP, but thanks!
"Main point illustrated"
I have seen books titled "Illustrations" but I have not read any of them yet. In my previous experience, an "illustration" is a visual picture. Every time I see the word "illustration" used in a way that is not a visual picture, I am reminded that I have been grossly negligent in my studies of illustrations.
Introduction written word for word Main Point Stated Main Point Explained Main Point Illustrated Main Point Applied Transition written word for word Main Point Stated Main Point Explained Main Point Illustrated Main Point Applied Transition written word for word Main Point Stated Main Point Explained Main Point Illustrated Main Point Applied Transition written word for word Conclusion/Call for Response
Very much true, if you use a deductive approach. If you use an inductive approach, then it comes up with something like this (using your layout):
Main Problem
etc.
Conclusion/Call for Response"
This would make it much more interesting - not stating your point at the beginning, but rather at the end... They don't know what's coming... You invite your congregation to discover, to explore, on an expedition with you!
If you use an inductive approach...
FYI, this epiphany isn't a brainstorm of my own, and it didn't occure on my mind, but I'm thankful and in debt to Ralph L. Lewis and Gregg Lewis in their book: Inductive Preaching: Helping People Listen | Logos Bible Software, on which I wrote a review to the product page, also.
I added the book to my wishlist and I am going to print some of this thread. I think I have been saved a lot of wasted time in research and trial and error. I knew I was on the wrong track and I knew I needed to look wider for other options. I think I am narrowing down on the one that I am supposed to follow, at least for the short-term. This all makes sense to me. Thanks!
Hi,
After searching sermon, I see few things on right pane. When I click, nothing happens. How to open those? Thanks.
After searching sermon, I see few things on right pane. When I click, nothing happens. How to open those?
I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the question. Are you using the sermon starter guide, the sermon manager, the sermon editor, or reading a books of sermons?
As for the best sermon outlines, I'm afraid I am not the person to ask as I rarely use them and there are few in Logos for my "denomination".
