HIGHLIGHTING THE FOOTNOTES!

Tomi Canji
Tomi Canji Member Posts: 3
edited November 21 in English Forum

Dear people of Logos,

Will the Logos users EVER be able to underline and make HIGHLIGHTS IN THE FOOTNOTES - desktop and mobile alike?! 

For any serious Bible study, especially when reading a commentary or any other substantial theological work - such a feature is simply - ESSENTIAL! I'm kindly asking you to take this feature into consideration and FINALLY make it happen - thus taking the LOGOS user EXPERIENCE to another level!

Thank you in advance!

Blessings in abundance,

Tomi

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  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,512

    Will the Logos users EVER be able to underline and make HIGHLIGHTS IN THE FOOTNOTES - desktop and mobile alike?! 

    It is not a planned feature, but you can vote for it in Feed Bear. 

    macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
    truth over tribe

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    Will the Logos users EVER be able to underline and make HIGHLIGHTS IN THE FOOTNOTES - desktop and mobile alike?! 

    Only when Logos completely rewrites its storage system for resources -- i.e. give them a 8 or 9 digit gift to promote theeffort --- those are digits to the left of the decimal point...

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • m wilson
    m wilson Member Posts: 5

    Why would this not be planned? It is a very significant shortcoming. 

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,512

    m wilson said:

    It is a very significant shortcoming.

    I'm not arguing with your desire for the feature, but it's significance is limited. Most users don't read the footnotes, let alone want to highlight them. If this were a simple fix, I believe FL would have fixed it a LONG time ago. Since it isn't a simple fix, they have determined that the effort isn't worth it.

    I know that sounds uncaring, but its not meant to be. Consider this: You have a problem at your home which drives you crazy. You REALLY want it fixed. You investigate and find out it will cost $50,000 to fix. Do you do it? In my case, it is a kitchen which I would like updated. It isn't really the color scheme and outdated materials (although that is a part of it), but more so the functionality. I hate that everything is crammed everywhere. I really hate that we have so much silverware (which we use!) that it is always sloshing around in the drawer. The silverware tray isn't "tall" enough to keep 12/16 sets in place. I haven't found any trays that will... or at least not any that will fit into OUR drawer. That is only one of the issues, but you get the idea. We would love to remodel our kitchen and really REALLY want to do so. 

    However. 

    After looking into it, the "fix" would be $50,000 minimum to do a full remodel... perhaps more. We looked at cheaper options, but they didn't get us to where we wanted, it just made everything "new." I know that remodeling our kitchen will increase the value of our home... but not by $50,000. It would be a bad investment since we don't intend to be here long enough to recoup the cost. [I <think> we are going to paint the cabinets and get new countertops, which will be much cheaper and will increase the value of the home more than the cost of the work]

    When it comes to highlighting footnotes, the "cost" has to make sense to FL. The "cost" includes:

    • Money (How much it will cost to make the change)
    • Time it will take to make the change... the "effort" required. 
    • Number of users impacted
    • Wow factor / ability to monetize the effort

    Until those things "make sense" to FL, it isn't likely to do so. 

    macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
    truth over tribe

  • scooter
    scooter Member Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭

    tomi + m wilson above: Every new iteration of Logos, I write in the forums to do just this.

    It has never happened; I figure JT is right re cost vs return.  I doubt it will ever happen.

    So, I highlight the superscript # as important for when I go thru the book again.

  • scooter
    scooter Member Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭

    it is a kitchen

    Thanks for the story, 'Bama.  I have realized for a while that the return on investment would likely not be there for FL.  A good story drives home to me that I am tilting at a windmill in vain......I will still plump for it in the future, because I would like to see it happen.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    scooter said:

    It has never happened;

    If you observe the search carefully you will see why highlighting footnotes has not yet happened. Why don't the proximity operators work in footnotes? Because a footnote is a single address. To highlight you need either the begin and end addresses or you need a beginning address and a length. Ergo, highlighting footnotes is not a simple extension of the current function. Faithlife knows this is a serious limitation but the cost to remedy it is high. What I suspect will happen is that the technology of the hardware and software will change sufficiently that it becomes necessary/cost effective to have a major rewrite of the software to ditch legacy structures that hold it back. When that happens, we will get footnote behaving like other text.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • scooter
    scooter Member Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    scooter said:

    It has never happened;

    If you observe the search carefully you will see why highlighting footnotes has not yet happened. Why don't the proximity operators work in footnotes? Because a footnote is a single address. To highlight you need either the begin and end addresses or you need a beginning address and a length. Ergo, highlighting footnotes is not a simple extension of the current function. Faithlife knows this is a serious limitation but the cost to remedy it is high. What I suspect will happen is that the technology of the hardware and software will change sufficiently that it becomes necessary/cost effective to have a major rewrite of the software to ditch legacy structures that hold it back. When that happens, we will get footnote behaving like other text.

    Now I have it.  I read it 4 times.  One is the onliest # when it comes to a footnote..  Thank you, MJ.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    scooter said:

    One is the onliest # when it comes to a footnote.

    [:D]

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Jeff Falter
    Jeff Falter Member Posts: 4 ✭✭

    I understand MJ’s point about cost-effiveness of such a change. Perhaps, as pointed out above, most people don’t read the footnotes. But, for those of us who do, particularly in more academic or scholarly works, such a capability would be a great improvement. Please keep this issue open for a future software rewrite.

  • Jeff Falter
    Jeff Falter Member Posts: 4 ✭✭

    I understand MJ’s point about cost-effiveness of such a change. Perhaps, as pointed out above, most people don’t read the footnotes. But, for those of us who do, particularly in more academic or scholarly works, such a capability would be a great improvement. Please keep this issue open for a future software rewrite.

  • Ronald Quick
    Ronald Quick Member Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭

    Most users don't read the footnotes, let alone want to highlight them.

    I absolutely believe you are correct.  Most people do not read footnotes or highlight them.  I guess that means I am in the minority that do. [:D]

  • Erin Rodriguez
    Erin Rodriguez Member Posts: 8

    I'm thinking that I'm going to save the location to favorites. For example, Ive made a folder to help me explain 'satans fall' and all pertinent details, and I drag and drop verses etc into that folder. I could make a note next to the sentence where the footnote is I want to remember, saying, 'satan, one-third' and then drag and drop that page to my favorites folder. This way I'd have that footnote available (it's chapter 12 of unseen realm, footnote 12) handy when I want it. This could get tedious over years and years of using Logos though...