How to have Logos pronounce a word....

Time to time... I want to hear a word pronounced. I have Strongs Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary and it works but.... I have to open it up go to the word and then hear it spoken.

So... I search the forums..... and either missed it or didn't find how to do it...

I believe there is an easier way in Logos.... what am I missing?

Thanks

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Kevin A

If you right click a word in your bible that has a reverse interlinear, you can choose of the left side Lemma (little Bible Word Study round symbol) and choose Pronounce on the right. This will be lemma pronounced rather than the manuscript word ,which often differ but mostly only very slightly.

You can also use the Pronunciation Tool from the Tool menu.

The Greek has different pronunciations for Erasmian/Koine/Modern, and the pronounce in the right click menu uses which ever system you had set last in the Pronunciation Tool.

Nick Steffen

I've only used the resource That’s Easy For You to Say: Your Quick Guide to Pronouncing Bible Names. After putting it into the priority list, I right click on the term, then hover over it in the Look Up section. For example, if was curious how to pronounce Mount Mizar, this resource tells me it should be pronounced "MIGH zahr". If you click into it, you can play an audio clip of each pronunciation if the instructions aren't clear.

Mike Binks

Time to time... I want to hear a word pronounced.

I won't be bothering with this facility until Faithlife get their act together and release the Dead Sea Tapes!

Who wants to learn how Aramaic is pronounced with a Mid Western drawl or, probably slightly worse a Yorkshire burr?

(However in Yorkshire-folks favour; they are about the only ones with a population who use Thee and Thou in regular speech so they could be closer to the original than we imagine)

Andrew Batishko

Time to time... I want to hear a word pronounced. I have Strongs Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary and it works but.... I have to open it up go to the word and then hear it spoken.

Make sure you have both your Bible and Strong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary open. Use the panel menu on each to place them in the same Link Set (Put them both in "A" for example). Then you can just click on a word in the Bible and it will navigate to the correct place in the dictionary.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1192921#Comment_1192921

I won't be bothering with this facility until Faithlife get their act together and release the Dead Sea Tapes!

Ah, shucks. you English lost the pronunciation guide from the Romans. Now, you want us Colonials to just guess.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1192929#Comment_1192929

Thanks everyone.

Mike.... are you trying to uncolonize us??? lol

Robert M. Warren

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1192929#Comment_1192929

Maybe do as Amazon does and offer the Samuel L. Jackson pronunciation option.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1192984#Comment_1192984

Thanks everyone.

Mike.... are you trying to uncolonize us??? lol

Sorry xnman

Despite the obvious merits of the idea I am forbidden to enumerate them due to forum guidelines.[;)]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1192984#Comment_1192984

A little known factor in early Christianity, was indeed local accents. Iraneus spoke with hints of French (though his writing spoke to an odd North African latin-ish). Athenathius often slipped into Coptic, with back translations to greek. Jerome was well known for his Italian greek lilt, often confused with ancient hebrew. And non-orthodox were well known for accents .... from where they came from (!). In the 3rd and 4th century councils, signs at the entries said 'Speak Greek!! (so many had specially learned Turkish).

Now, to find my spell-checker.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193055#Comment_1193055

When using the audio pronunciation feature for Greek lemmas used in the New Testament, the audio pronunciation provided by "Stong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary", is often very different from the pronunciation provided by Logos when right-clicking on a word in an interlinear Bible, then selecting the lemma option in the left pane, followed by the pronunciation option in the right pane.

Why is this?

Kathleen Marie

Do only WordSearch people have Strong's Talking? I only see it as a prepub.

Most words come up as a right click, but not always. For example "basemath" in Gen 26:34 in the NASB95. That is when I found the pronunciation tool in Tools.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193082#Comment_1193082

Kathleen Marie: - I do think Strongs Talking is a product from WordSearch which WordSearchers have. Logos may make it available to all... that I don't know.

To Mike: ... "obvious merits of the idea"... lol .... gotta love a man true to his heart. Love ya man!

To Kevin: ... Thanks... and I knew about that.... basically, I was wondering if there were a shorter process to hear a word spoken. What would be nice....is to be able to right click on the word and click "pronouce"... which as you point out... it pretty close to that.

Thanks to all.

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193073#Comment_1193073

When using the audio pronunciation feature for Greek lemmas used in the New Testament, the audio pronunciation provided by "Stong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary", is often very different from the pronunciation provided by Logos when right-clicking on a word in an interlinear Bible, then selecting the lemma option in the left pane, followed by the pronunciation option in the right pane.

Why is this?

Would anyone with a knowledge of Biblical Greek have a thought as to why the two Logos audio pronunciation sources noted above, provide such different pronunciations of Greek words?

If both sources are providing "valid" pronunciations, are the pronunciations from one source considered more commonly followed and generally used than the pronunciations from the other source?

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193418#Comment_1193418

Would anyone with a knowledge of Biblical Greek have a thought as to why the two Logos audio pronunciation sources noted above, provide such different pronunciations of Greek words?

The pronunciations in Strong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary were not created by Faithlife. They presumably come from WORDsearch, who originally published the resource.

That said, even the Greek pronunciations that Faithlife created (in the Pronunciation tool and elsewhere in the software) are available in three different pronunciation schemes: Erasmian, Koine, and Modern. Even with those you will not find complete agreement as to exactly how words are meant to be pronounced.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193423#Comment_1193423

[Even with those you will not find complete agreement as to exactly how words are meant to be pronounced.

That is so surpriZing ... or maybe surpriSing. Or maybe sIrprising. Or southern sUprisin'.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193423#Comment_1193423

There are multiple dialects in many languages. And there is often a dialect that is considerd the standard.

In American English, the standard dialect used on National TV News is a midwestern dialect, not a southern drawl.

In German, the standard dialect and grammar is spoken on national news, and known and taught in schools (High German), but difficult for some in southern Germany or Austria (which also speaks German) to pronounce without a lot of effort. And I find it nearly impossible to understand someone from Austria who is speaking a German dialect, unless they are trained in standard High German. There is all kinds of local slang that is not considered standard in each region and sometimes special in a given city.

I suppose that FaithLife tried as much as possible to use the standard dialects in their pronunciation tool that speaks the words in Koine Greek, Modern Greek, etc. That's good enough for me, at least its close to the standard way its was spoken.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193423#Comment_1193423

Even with those you will not find complete agreement as to exactly how words are meant to be pronounced.

That is what comes of the using a broad brush approach, your customers need some finer divisions.

How about...

Old Testament Hebrew and Aramaic with options

i. as pronounced by Abraham

ii. as pronounced by David

iii as pronounced by Jeremiah

New Testament Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic with options

i. as pronounced by Jesus

ii as pronounced by Peter

iii as lisped by Herod

That would be real service.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193441#Comment_1193441

I suppose that FaithLife tried as much as possible to use the standard dialects in their pronunciation tool that speaks the words in Koine Greek, Modern Greek, etc. That's good enough for me, at least its close to the way it was supposed to be spoken.

I would have preferred how it was supposed to be spoken, instead of the standard dialects that FL tried to use.

More seriously, Logos offers resources arguing that you'd get closer to koine with modern greek, than earlier wanna-be's.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193447#Comment_1193447

More seriously, Logos offers resources arguing that you'd get closer to koine with modern greek, than earlier wanna-be's.

Interesting. What resources describe this?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193451#Comment_1193451

Interesting. What resources describe this?

Caragounis had a good discussion, if you have the book:

The Development of Greek and the New Testament: Morphology, Syntax, Phonology, and Textual Transmission

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193423#Comment_1193423

Thank you Andrew!

I compared the pronunciations provided by "Strong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary" with the three pronunciation flavors (Erasmian, Koine, Modern) used natively in Logos, and the Strong's pronunciations are usually very different than any/all of the Logos flavors.

Can you tell me which one of the four pronunciation flavors (when including Strong's), is most likely to be used at the present time by Bible Colleges/Universities when teaching Biblical Greek? Basically, I would just like to learn the pronunciations college/university students would be learning. Or... is that all over the board too--no consensus amongst scholars and educators.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193456#Comment_1193456

Can you tell me which one of the four pronunciation flavors (when including Strong's), is most likely to be used at the present time by Bible Colleges/Universities when teaching Biblical Greek?

My understanding is that it varies from school to school, and possible between professors in a school.

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193456#Comment_1193456

is that all over the board too--no consensus amongst scholars and educators.

This has been my experience in American Evangelical institutions. (Generally Erasmian, but varies by professor)

This 2015 thread - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/119401/784209.aspx#784209 refers to a 2011 blog posting. I guess this question recurs every 5ish years.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193441#Comment_1193441

There are multiple dialects in many languages. And there is often a dialect that is considered the standard.

I just realized I was only talking about dialects here and should have been talking mainly about accents (pronunciation), but also dialects.

Sorry.

An accent is simply how one pronounces words—a style of pronunciation.

A dialect includes both pronunciations and vocabulary and grammar.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193477#Comment_1193477

Here is an interesting youtube from "Master New Testament Greek", with this episode sponsored by Logos

Koine Greek pronunciation: What is the right pronunciation?

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193466#Comment_1193466

Can you tell me which one of the four pronunciation flavors (when including Strong's), is most likely to be used at the present time by Bible Colleges/Universities when teaching Biblical Greek?

My understanding is that it varies from school to school, and possible between professors in a school.

Thanks again, Andrew.
Some additional light research I did confirms what you said. At the same time, it seems to indicate that the Erasmian pronunciation has possibly been used more widely (or at least, as widely) as any other, so I've set that to be my default in Logos. However, I'm more than willing to listen to any thoughts and opinions others may have on the topic.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1193507#Comment_1193507

I listened to the Logos pronunciation for the same word in Erasmus, Koine, and Modern, and for the small sampling of words I tested there is very little difference.

The main thing for me is to have a pretty close idea of how it is pronounced.

Tim Campbell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1192919#Comment_1192919

Thank you -- EXACTLY WAHT I WAS LOOKING FOR!!