What is the difference between these two collections?
https://www.logos.com/product/222069/new-studies-in-biblical-theology-series-collection-nsbt
https://www.logos.com/product/206556/new-studies-in-biblical-theology-series-collection-nsbt
This resource is only in one of them.
Piercing Leviathan: God’s Defeat of Evil in the Book of Job (New Studies in Biblical Theology, vol. 56 | NSBT) | Logos Bible Software
does this series ever go on sale
Individual volumes are often 50% off.
@Paul Caneparo If only Logos would be willing to match there competition prices more or less. I really would like to support Logos as what they have software based is better than Olive Tree. But Olive Tree has a huge special on the series but I don’t want a library in Logos and Olive Tree.
it is available in Logos 2025 Preacher Diamond and the Logos 10 Legacy libraries Reformed Diamond and up - you won't get better discounts than in base package libraries.
Yeah, there's a big difference between $790 and $300. And I don't buy Logos' argument that you're paying for extra tagging when you purchase a Logos title. Every Bible software vendor rigorously tags their resources. But I did speak with a Logos employee who said you should definitely call. I wouldn't just assume Logos won't give you a deal.
@Mark Allison I am in South Africa unable to call. Have been sending email to sales@logos.com and have not received any response from them as yet.
@Lukas I use the web chat facility to talk to sales.
@Mark Allison There responds: Thank you for contacting Logos.
Unfortunately, we can’t price match. The publishers decide on the price. I am sure that we will get a sale price from them in the new year.
This sounds to me like Logos hasn't contacted the publisher to see if they can offer the same sale price.
If all the Bible software vendors are operating under the very same contractual terms from the publisher for the book/set in question, then it is reasonable to question whether Logos is being honest about their inability to price-match.
Use the chat box or WhatsApp where you can call internationally without having to pay. Logos has a WhatsApp number you can call.
Each contract is different. If all were the same, then matching prices wouldn’t be an issue.
DAL
My work here is done ☺️
What do you mean by that? Generally a publisher will want the same percentage regardless of the vendor.
Not necessarily. I work for a pharmacy and depending on the clinic or hospital’s contract that’s how much we charge them for the pharmaceuticals we provide for them. The same applies to publishers when they hire authors or sell books. Royalties vary due contracts. Unless I’m missing something, the same principle applies to a lot of businesses. Same happened when I used to work in a body shop and we used to order parts for cars. We got them cheaper than other body shops in the area.
I worked for Accordance, and Zondervan or Baker (for example) charged the same percentage of royalties regardless of who was distributing their product. You'll notice that's why some publishers get their resources developed quickly, and others, not so much. If a publisher wants 30%, their stuff is going to be made available quicker than a publisher that wants 50%. That's the same regardless of whether it's Accordance, Logos, OliveTree, or Laridian.
@Mark Allison I’ve been wrong before. Maybe is not in Logos’s best interest to match prices and that’s why they don’t bother contacting publishers to match prices. While there’s tagging involved in Logos books as opposed to a kindle book, I’ve never really seen that as a valid reason not to match prices. To me it’s better to match a price and sell than not to sell at all, but in my job, contracts are in place to avoid changing prices all the time. So there might be something we don’t know. Maybe Mansfield can fill us in 😁
BTW Christian, the NST have been on sale before and part of Legacy libraries. That’s how I completed my set. They’ve been on sale before for $7.99 each if I’m not mistaken.
I'd think the big Logos package discounts impact the publishers' negotiated royalties and pricing.
How do these contracts work? 30% of what are they charging the royalties on? Who determines the selling price of the resource? Do the contracts state what price the vendor is supposed to sell the resource at, or does the vendor have freedom to set the price? If the former, is every vendor (Accordance, Logos, OliveTree, or Laridian) supposed to sell at that very same price? As an Accordance employee, were you privy to the asking price for a resource for vendors other than Accordance?
@DAL Happy New Year to you. I use the web chat facility, but didn't know about the WhatsApp. Where can I find the number as I can't see it on the contacts page - maybe it's not generally shared.
The publisher gets a percentage of the selling price. The contract specifies the price that the resource will sell for, and the Bible software vendor needs to get permission from the publisher to put a resource on sale. BTW, there are some resources that are not available in any Bible software app because the publisher wants too high of a percentage. If you've ever requested a resource and never seen it developed, that's probably why. When I worked with publishers at Accordance, they would usually tell me the percentage they were getting from other Bible software vendors. And friends at other Bible software vendors would confirm. That wasn't my primary job at Accordance, but I handled most of the Bibles, and often dealt with those contracts.
Here it is:
US/Canadá (Free): 360-339-7297
International: +1 360-339-7297
Add it to your WhatsApp contacts and you should be able to call internationally without worrying about high phone bills.
It's interesting how different areas of the world operate. What you describe would be illegal in Europe. The vendor can chose what price to sell for and the supplier (publisher in this case) has no say. Additionally the supplier isn't allowed to gain competitor knowledge via the vendor or the competitor. (Of course in Europe the supplier can offer improved terms so the vendor can run a promotion.)
Thanks for these insights. I don't mean to hound you but do you know whether all vendors are supposed to sell a resource at the same price (irrespective of the nature of their platform, customer demographics, the amount of work they put into integrating the resource into their platform, etc.)?
I tried whatsapping this number but I get automated reply options in Spanish🤨
@Roger Pitot the same here Spanish automated reply with options to choose from.
Spanish sales rep can speak English so you can ask them to transfer you.
The publisher can sell it for whatever price they and the software vendor agree on. It can be different from one software vendor to another (as we see in this case). And it can be more or less than the print price. There aren't any regulations controlling this.
Thanks for responding. I promise I'm now done 😊
The NSBT is actually on sale now for $6.99 each. It's part of their Hot Buys sale but I can't seem to find any link to the sale. I only noticed when browsing one of the books.
Here's a link to the series (which is not on sale), but it shows all the titles (at least, most of them).
what I don't understand is the set at Olive Tree is 59 Vol and the Logos set 53. Things just doesn’t make sense.
The other six volumes are available in Logos but are not part of the set.
@Lukas
Buy the individual volumes you want. $6.99 is the best price I've ever seen and better than buying a whole set which may include volumes you'll never use.
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No, only 7 of the volumes are included in the Silver library.
Sorry you're correct. I read it too quickly as I had 7 volumes unowned.
