OT: John MacArthur's Successor to be Named
At the three-minute mark of the season 2 trailer of the MacArthur Centre Podcast - The Expositor...
"Finally, we will answer the question everyone is asking. Who is it who will take over for John MacArthur when he's gone? What's the succession plan? Who is the next JMac?"
There's eight episodes planned for season 2 so guess this will be answered in the last episode of the season.
The Expositor | The MacArthur Center Podcast
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There isn’t really “the next Johnny Mac.” They should just say: “We’re gonna announce our next employee,” because that’s all it is. They are going to hire someone else to replace JM but nobody can be the next JM because everybody is unique. This is Preacher idolatry at its very subtle best! It’s so subtle that people don’t notice it and they just accept it as something normal, but it’s not.
They would be better off saying: “We’re having a retirement party and we’re going to honor so-and-so and announce his replacement.” There’s nothing wrong with that.DAL
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I just went to look and I noticed that Season 2 Episode 1 is marked explicit (on ios)
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DAL said:
This is Preacher idolatry at its very subtle best! It’s so subtle that people don’t notice it and they just accept it as something normal, but it’s not.
Oh, so you agree with one of the famous early writers ... 'neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God'?
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DMB said:
Oh, so you agree with one of the famous early writers ... 'neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God'?
lol; [Y]
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DAL said:
This is Preacher idolatry at its very subtle best! It’s so subtle that people don’t notice it and they just accept it as something normal, but it’s not.
Indeed. And MacArthur can't be replaced soon enough, IMO.
https://julieroys.com/macarthur-shamed-excommunicated-mother-take-back-child-abuser
Ministry should never raise a person to a status of thinking they are God's untouchable instrument and can do no wrong. Congregations should not put their ministers up on a pedestal of adoration. And after Mark Driscoll, Ravi Zacharias, Bruxy Cavey, and many more, I've pretty much stopped listening to any megachurch pastors, no matter what end of the theological spectrum they are on. It's just not a normal situation for a fallible human being to be in, and it brings out the worst in people.
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It is best to wait for all of the facts before jumping to a conclusion. Julie has always had it out for J-Mac. That doesn't mean she is incorrect but I am positive there is more to this story than is let on.
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Mattillo said:
It is best to wait for all of the facts before jumping to a conclusion. Julie has always had it out for J-Mac. That doesn't mean she is incorrect but I am positive there is more to this story than is let on.
My casual observation is that MacArthur-haters tend to be one-stringed banjos who are incapable of crediting him with anything good, and for whom even the remotest nth-degree association he has with anyone who has ever done anything wrong is an occasion to blame him.
I personally owe him much for exposing my wife and me to what real preaching actually looks like. That isn't idolatry, it's just honest gratitude.
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Robert M. Warren said:
My casual observance
Yep, casual. I've always seen my disagree'ers as one-string banjos. If they'd only agree with me, I'd credit them another string.
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Robert M. Warren said:
…it's just honest gratitude.
Honest gratitude is fine but trying to find the next Johnny Mac is not. Jesus didn’t say to Peter, “ Hey Peter you’re gonna be the next me!” Or to keep it more realistic, Paul didn’t say to Timothy, “Hey Timothy you are going to be the next me…yay!” That’s not normal; at least no normal Biblical person would say that. One thing is to imitate good qualities from someone another is trying to be someone you’re not.
And no, I don’t think anybody here “hates” MacArthur. I take what’s good and shun the bad. I like his outlines but not his theology.
DAL
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DAL said:
And no, I don’t think anybody here “hates” MacArthur.
Well, maybe there's one. And I do play a 1-string (actually Okinawa shamsin with drone strings). I checked my multi-thousand library, and not a single resource popped up under MacArthur (if that's the spelling). I'm good.
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MacArthur is someone who didn't use a computer but became the reason I became a Bible student and a Logos user. I started with a MacArthur Logos CD. So I owe him a great gratitude. I am also very indebted to William Varner who teaches at the Master's College.
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I agree DAL the way this has been presented is over the top. It does leave a bad impression but I was simply bringing this ‘news’ to the attention of those interested rather than looking for people to offer personal opinions about the man as some others have chosen to do.
DAL said:There isn’t really “the next Johnny Mac.” They should just say: “We’re gonna announce our next employee,” because that’s all it is. They are going to hire someone else to replace JM but nobody can be the next JM because everybody is unique. This is Preacher idolatry at its very subtle best! It’s so subtle that people don’t notice it and they just accept it as something normal, but it’s not.
They would be better off saying: “We’re having a retirement party and we’re going to honor so-and-so and announce his replacement.” There’s nothing wrong with that.DAL
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DIsciple II said:
I agree DAL the way this has been presented is over the top. It does leave a bad impression but I was simply bringing this ‘news’ to the attention of those interested rather than looking for people to offer personal opinions about the man as some others have chosen to do.
DAL said:There isn’t really “the next Johnny Mac.” They should just say: “We’re gonna announce our next employee,” because that’s all it is. They are going to hire someone else to replace JM but nobody can be the next JM because everybody is unique. This is Preacher idolatry at its very subtle best! It’s so subtle that people don’t notice it and they just accept it as something normal, but it’s not.
They would be better off saying: “We’re having a retirement party and we’re going to honor so-and-so and announce his replacement.” There’s nothing wrong with that.DAL
No worries! I guess is just bad propaganda in the sense that it was not planned well…oh well!
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Dal... what you are talking about is something that a lot of people I know call "preacherites". People that hang on every word the preacher says... .and never fact check what the preacher says with their Bibles. Luke 6:39 says it best... "And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?"
No man can take the place of another man, good or bad. Yet people hold up some man like he's the one that hung the sun, the moon and the stars.... instead of Jesus being the one.
Logos is a gooood tool to fact check any man!
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I'm so weary of JM. The thing I appreciate from him is the backbone he has shownto stand against government overeach. Otherwise, he couldn't retire soon enough. His 'Strange Fire' borderline blasphemy was absolutely grieveous. Regardless, I wish him well in retirement. Hopefully his replacementwill do better!
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Scott said:
His 'Strange Fire' borderline blasphemy was absolutely grieveous
I've read nothing by him, but I still recognize insulting language when I see it.
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Not insulting.
The insult was JM insulting the Holy Spirit and millions of Christians who experience Him in ways JM doesn't like.
Just calling it what it is. Not here to debate or call anyone a name or tell anyone they are just playing a one string banjo.
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It came across to me that you were being insulting towards a brother in Christ. All you needed to say was while you share different perspectives to him on certain matters of theology you wish him well in his retirement and respect they way he stood up to government overreach.
But I’ll be the first to put up my hand a day I’ve come across as insulting when I had no intention of being so.Scott I hope you find forgiveness in your heart for the way you feel you have been wronged by him because he doesn’t share your theology. No matter how he expressed that difference of view let the Holy Spirit work in you.
Scott said:Not insulting.
The insult was JM insulting the Holy Spirit and millions of Christians who experience Him in ways JM doesn't like.
Just calling it what it is. Not here to debate or call anyone a name or tell anyone they are just playing a one string banjo.
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Not trying to take sides....I don't know JM from beans, have not read his teachings or doctrines or listened to him in any way..... But...
If a person preaches "there is no church" (example only and is false teaching)... is it an insult to show him his wrong doctrine? Many times I think the attitude of "no insults" is just to protect someone who may be teaching something false and to "point the focus of blame" at the one trying to show the false doctrine. In other words... "don't insult" is used as a weapon against showing the truth.
False teaching is still false teaching. A false prophet is still a false prophet... and to let them dwell in their false believing ways without telling them is nothing more than an "insult" to truth seeking people. The biggest wrong, it seems to me, is to not care enough to take the chance to help someone see the error of their ways. Or to allow modernism thinking to hinder the process.
Granted, Christians should show love and care and sometimes we need to show tough love.
IMHO...[8-|]
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xnman said:
Christians should show love and care and sometimes we need to show tough love.
My brother-in-law is a pastor; I am not a church worker. We email back + forth on topics. Neither of us have moved a nanometre in our beliefs. Both of us see these efforts as negative. We are trying to be irenic, but this leads to just stating our views, not really addressing the other's.
Love works here; tough love would not work at all, because neither asked in interest of changing one's view. We both say, 'I am right. See, its in the Bible.'
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MJ. Smith said:
I've read nothing by him, but I still recognize insulting language when I see it.
Sometimes the most accurate and appropriate language for describing particular behavior is ugly because the behavior is ugly.
Some might call Putin a monster.
Some might complain that is insulting.Maybe it is...but it is an earned description. One could also say that it is disingenuous or even irresponsible to refuse the description. Either/or & both/and.
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xnman said:
If a person preaches "there is no church" (example only and is false teaching)... is it an insult to show him his wrong doctrine?
Depends on when and how:
- If the person who says it is a wrong does so in an inappropriate forum and/or uses inappropriate language, it is an insult .
- If the person who says it is wrong does so with hubris rather than humility, it is an insult..
- If the person who says it is wrong does not bother to know enough to actually understand what the person with the "wrong" teaching is actually saying, it is an insult.
- If the attack is against the person or the church rather than a specific teaching, it is an insult.
Who is insulted:
- The person whose doctrine is questioned.
- The others in the forum (or living room) who are exposed to the garage and may have to read through it and the self-justifications and the holier-than-thou hubris ...
- Those working to convert others who have their work undermined by Christians modeling an undesirable life style.
- Faithlife for its users having no respect for the company
- God for his children not even mastering the Golden rule . . .
If you actually know the person showing the wrong belief and you understand their belief system well enough, it is appropriate to take them aside and nudge them towards a more accurate belief -- taking care to recognize that you might be wrong, the changing beliefs is a slow, step by step process when the change is significant,
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More bad news for John MacArthur admirers. https://julieroys.com/scandal-john-macarthur-pulls-out-ligonier-conference/
FWIW, I know more than a complete outsider as it pertains to John MacArthur and his church in Sun Valley. All I will say is that there are several issues that, in my humble opinion, point to cult-like behavior and idolatry more so than NT Christianity. But to each his/her own.
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Gary Osborne said:
More bad news for John MacArthur admirers. https://julieroys.com/scandal-john-macarthur-pulls-out-ligonier-conference/
I personally detest articles like this which encourage us to dismiss a class of people (child abusers) and taint others by association without bothering to find out the facts. Yes, I am strongly opposed to child abuse and know some people who have spent their lives fighting it. But I also know not all child abusers have a conviction for it and not all convicted of it are actually guilty or unredeemable. I hate people throwing out words and expecting me to have a knee-jerk reaction.
Gary Osborne said:point to cult-like behavior and idolatry
I don't know about John MacArthur, but I have seen some examples of this where I live.
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xnman said:
Not trying to take sides....I don't know JM from beans, have not read his teachings or doctrines or listened to him in any way..... But...
If a person preaches "there is no church" (example only and is false teaching)... is it an insult to show him his wrong doctrine? Many times I think the attitude of "no insults" is just to protect someone who may be teaching something false and to "point the focus of blame" at the one trying to show the false doctrine. In other words... "don't insult" is used as a weapon against showing the truth.
False teaching is still false teaching. A false prophet is still a false prophet... and to let them dwell in their false believing ways without telling them is nothing more than an "insult" to truth seeking people. The biggest wrong, it seems to me, is to not care enough to take the chance to help someone see the error of their ways. Or to allow modernism thinking to hinder the process.
Granted, Christians should show love and care and sometimes we need to show tough love.
IMHO...
I don’t disagree with you but there is a biblical way to handle that and these forums aren’t the place for that process to take place. It is not being said you have to overlook your theological concerns. But don’t do it here and when you do it, do it biblically rather than the way it’s been demonstrated here by some. Personally I’m not taking any ‘side‘ either. Just disappointed in the way some have chosen to express their disagreement with his teaching.
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I’m not and admirer or supporter of John MacArthur or any other.particular preacher. I don’t know the facts in this particular case or the source of this ‘news’. If there is truth in it, then it’s not a case of bad news for MacArthur supporters while those who take glee in pointing out his failings have more ammunition to fire. It’s actually bad news for the whole church, we are all one body and should all hurt but at the same time never forget we all fail to live up to God standards and so pointing out others should be should be done on the basis of well established facts and in the appropriate manner and place.
Gary Osborne said:More bad news for John MacArthur admirers. https://julieroys.com/scandal-john-macarthur-pulls-out-ligonier-conference/
FWIW, I know more than a complete outsider as it pertains to John MacArthur and his church in Sun Valley. All I will say is that there are several issues that, in my humble opinion, point to cult-like behavior and idolatry more so than NT Christianity. But to each his/her own.
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Quit peddling garbage- Satan at work here.
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Apparently, MacArthur's successor is not at all being discussed at his church. So forget about it.
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Roys' reporting on this is dishonest. Halfway through that article shows JM cancelled another engagement due to ILLNESS, not the "scandal" (which isn't really a scandal and happened 20 years ago).Gary Osborne said:More bad news for John MacArthur admirers. https://julieroys.com/scandal-john-macarthur-pulls-out-ligonier-conference/
FWIW, I know more than a complete outsider as it pertains to John MacArthur and his church in Sun Valley. All I will say is that there are several issues that, in my humble opinion, point to cult-like behavior and idolatry more so than NT Christianity. But to each his/her own.
This "scandal" reported (and I use that term lightly) by Roys happened 20 years ago and she leaves out important facts, like nothing was reported to the church about the abuse, and they were just going off of what the Grays had told them independently.
The reporting should get no merit from any Christian.
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David Taylor Jr said:
The reporting should get no merit from any Christian.
After watching Julie Roys' "reporting" of Moody Bible Institute, Harvest Bible Chapel, and others, I now group her "reports" in the same classification as "discernment bloggers" -- a broken clock is right 2x daily and smoke =/= fire.
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