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I pray that Logos 10 incorporates ZipScript from WordSearch... or has something like it to insert biblical text into document in Logos or outside of Logos such as Word, Powerpoint, Excel, and others.
All you have to do is get familiar with Logos and you’ll see it can do all those things already. See my previous post on my assessment of both ZScript and Logos.
Wordsearch users need to embrace Logos, period! WORDsearch is not around anymore, so no use crying over spilled milk 🥛 The only thing I miss about WORDsearch are the cheap prices and my sales rep, but other than that, Logos has always been my main Bible Software, Accordance my second and WS used to be # 3. Now I’m down to two which is so much better. I will uninstall WS to free up some space in my laptop 👍😁👌
DAL
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and, unless I am mistaken a 'one platform pony' ie only works on machines running Windows?
It wouldn't be if it ran as a part of the Logos app. I have both Windows and Mac and I think it would be a matter of convenience to have on my Mac.
Can someone explain why they would close the program on a regular enough basis to make opening it a chore?
I'm a layperson who prefers to read a hard copy of my Bible and books. I am not responsible for teaching, nor am I a student. I only use Logos about once or twice a week on average and then only for maybe 15-30 minutes at a time, usually to consult a commentary or dictionary. There is no need for me to keep it open constantly. Plus, my wife logs me off when I am not at home and logs onto her computer user account.
You all seem to be set against Logos incorporating this tool. I don't know why. I don't use the majority of the tools that Logos has but I don't actively discourage them from developing more.
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You all seem to be set against Logos incorporating this tool. I don't know why. I don't use the majority of the tools that Logos has but I don't actively discourage them from developing more.
Because the functionality is already there and there are higher priority items many of us would rather Faithlife invest development time into.0 -
Can someone explain why they would close the program on a regular enough basis to make opening it a chore?
Maybe it's Verbum .... your images look like Logos, but hard to say if Verbum is different.
Today's excitement was Logos in Desktop 2 flashing between Logos 'windows' in a Desktop. Even the top menu bar! Had to force close it.
Then there's the problem of tagging multiple resources ... tag textbox inactive unless you force a redraw (move the 'window' border a hair).
And the problem when closing down, of refusing to close down (forced close necessary) ... that one is easy to predict ... just get used to it.
Don't forget the you've got updates banner (serious?), that when closed, comes right back.
And on and on. I'm new to both my BMP and the Logos version on the Mac. So, maybe I just notice these minor inconveniences that probably don't merit bug-mention.
I close Logos daily ... I don't think it's all that stable. And not a criticism ... if FL is like most companies, there's the 'real' platform. And then there's that other one.
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So, maybe I just notice these minor inconveniences that probably don't merit bug-mention.
Far from not meriting a bug-mention I would say that these aberrations deserve a thread, one for each of them.
Maybe it's Verbum .... your images look like Logos, but hard to say if Verbum is different.
The screen shots are of Logos. I don't think that Verbum is significantly different from an underlying program point of view. I do think that developing a second fork to the program was a mistake and is still something I resent. In my opinion the management should have have allowed the Verbum features to be incorporated, or not, by simple program options.
Today's excitement was Logos in Desktop 2 flashing between Logos 'windows' in a Desktop. Even the top menu bar! Had to force close it.
This atypical behaviour and needs to be investigated – it is bound to bite somebody else eventually.
And the problem when closing down, of refusing to close down (forced close necessary) ... that one is easy to predict ... just get used to it.
I have always found Logos slow to close but it always has done eventually. I put it down to the amount of phoning home it needs to do to keep its files in order. I have 'just got used to it' on the rare occasions that I do shut the program down. It seems to shut down much quicker in response to a 'restart for updates' request.
Don't forget the you've got updates banner (serious?), that when closed, comes right back.
Yeh they do. I just give in and let the update proceed, it rarely takes more than a minute of two. Once it is done I am confident that I have the latest version available.
I close Logos daily ... I don't think it's all that stable.
I often close Logos weekly, I probably restart the Mac monthly on average - almost always because of OS updates but sometimes due to power glitches. Oddly I restart my MacBook less often - I can leave it running for about 10 days with the lid shut before power loss becomes a problem and when that happens it restarts where I left it once it is plugged in again.
If you are having problems with the Mac version and are having to start and restart either the machine or Logos daily please start other threads the bugs need to be squashed. It should be possible to sort them out as apart from the slow shutdown the others seem to be fairly unique to your way of working.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Far from not meriting a bug-mention I would say that these aberrations deserve a thread, one for each of them.
Well, Mike, I appreciate your comments. And I don't wish to appear negative; my impression of the Phoenix team, is they're peddling hard.
After posting the above, my next bug was the refusal to display the 'Find' box. Surprisingly, it was 'Finding' quite well. I just had to remember what I had typed (abecedary is just not easy to remember). Later, I'll check if it's relative to the desktop (#2), or maybe available memory.
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Wordsearch users need to embrace Logos, period! WORDsearch is not around anymore, so no use crying over spilled milk 🥛 The only thing I miss about WORDsearch are the cheap prices and my sales rep, but other than that, Logos has always been my main Bible Software, Accordance my second and WS used to be # 3. Now I’m down to two which is so much better. I will uninstall WS to free up some space in my laptop 👍😁👌
When it gets that ONLY SOME PEOPLE can request things in Logos... I will promptly leave Logos. There is no crying over spilled milk. And your "2 click copy" doesn't have the formatting that ZipScript does... I hit 2 keys and type in a verse and hit inter and the verse is pasted into what I am working with .... formatted the way I want it..... you 2 click copy doesn't come close... I never close ZipScript.... I use it that much.
Thank you very much!
Edit: I tried Logos copy and paste.... I just prefer a better way.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Wordsearch users need to embrace Logos, period! WORDsearch is not around anymore, so no use crying over spilled milk 🥛 The only thing I miss about WORDsearch are the cheap prices and my sales rep, but other than that, Logos has always been my main Bible Software, Accordance my second and WS used to be # 3. Now I’m down to two which is so much better. I will uninstall WS to free up some space in my laptop 👍😁👌
When it gets that ONLY SOME PEOPLE can request things in Logos... I will promptly leave Logos. There is no crying over spilled milk. And your "2 click copy" doesn't have the formatting that ZipScript does... I hit 2 keys and type in a verse and hit inter and the verse is pasted into what I am working with .... formatted the way I want it..... you 2 click copy doesn't come close... I never close ZipScript.... I use it that much.
Thank you very much!
Edit: I tried Logos copy and paste.... I just prefer a better way.
Obviously you haven’t really used “Copy Verse” that much, because you can copy and paste with one click into PowerPoint, word and other programs you mentioned and way faster than ZScript. But you don’t mention that, do you? That’s because you only want to see what you want to see. The best is subjective, so what’s best for you is not the best for others.
As far as requesting things in Logos, I have requested many things and I have yet to get them, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to leave because of that. We don’t always get what we want and I’ve learned to live with that 😉 Maybe you should too 😁
DAL
Ps. Nobody closes Zscript, because it runs in the background. At least mine is set up that way 😉
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I have always found Logos slow to close but it always has done eventually. I put it down to the amount of phoning home it needs to do to keep its files in order.
I think Verbum tries to phone Alpha Centauri .... just an example of frequently forcing a quit. But a nice view in our neck of the woods.
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MacDonald's is the most popular and successful hamburger in the world, yet there are thousands of better burgers. Same for some computer applications.
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Dal...
I hope you use Logos copy and paste.... and I wish you well with it...
Hope you can say the same as I use ZipScript.
But that's up to you....
And this conversation is ended by me.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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You can format copy verses how you want too....I hit 2 keys and type in a verse and hit inter and the verse is pasted into what I am working with .... formatted the way I want it..... you 2 click copy doesn't come close... I never close ZipScript.... I use it that much.
Thank you very much!
Edit: I tried Logos copy and paste.... I just prefer a better way.
https://wiki.logos.com/Copy_Bible_Verses#Copy_Bible_Verses_Styles
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You can format copy verses how you want too....I hit 2 keys and type in a verse and hit inter and the verse is pasted into what I am working with .... formatted the way I want it..... you 2 click copy doesn't come close... I never close ZipScript.... I use it that much.
Thank you very much!
Edit: I tried Logos copy and paste.... I just prefer a better way.
https://wiki.logos.com/Copy_Bible_Verses#Copy_Bible_Verses_Styles
Like he himself has said “SOME PEOPLE” are set in their old ways. I just hope he familiarizes himself with the true power and versatility of Copy Verse before Zscript stops working — though my prayer is the “run in the background” functionality gets implemented to be like that of Zscript; though as stated in another thread, there’s already a quick access to that as long as Logos is running in the background…CRTL + ALT + B it’s all a matter of getting familiar with it.
DAL
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Zipscript also does not require any keystrokes of your keyboard, it can be completely used and accessed by mouse clicks, something you can not do with Copy Bible Verse. I use Logos Copy Bible Verse and Visual Copy extensively along with the Media Tool everyday, and get great results, but none of that negates the value and utility of Zipscript.
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Zipscript also does not require any keystrokes of your keyboard, it can be completely used and accessed by mouse clicks, something you can not do with Copy Bible Verse. I use Logos Copy Bible Verse and Visual Copy extensively along with the Media Tool everyday, and get great results, but none of that negates the value and utility of Zipscript.
Hey, you never know, maybe all Copy Verse needs is a plug-in to be able to run in the background! Hopefully it gets implemented 👌
DAL
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Zipscript also does not require any keystrokes of your keyboard, it can be completely used and accessed by mouse clicks, something you can not do with Copy Bible Verse. I use Logos Copy Bible Verse and Visual Copy extensively along with the Media Tool everyday, and get great results, but none of that negates the value and utility of Zipscript.
Hey, you never know, maybe all Copy Verse needs is a plug-in to be able to run in the background! Hopefully it gets implemented 👌
DAL
Indeed, making Logos a better experience is always a good objective. It has seen vast improvement since its LLS days.
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Zipscript also does not require any keystrokes of your keyboard, it can be completely used and accessed by mouse clicks, something you can not do with Copy Bible Verse. I use Logos Copy Bible Verse and Visual Copy extensively along with the Media Tool everyday, and get great results, but none of that negates the value and utility of Zipscript.
Hey, you never know, maybe all Copy Verse needs is a plug-in to be able to run in the background! Hopefully it gets implemented 👌
DAL
Indeed, making Logos a better experience is always a good objective. It has seen vast improvement since its LLS days.
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Zipscript also does not require any keystrokes of your keyboard, it can be completely used and accessed by mouse clicks, something you can not do with Copy Bible Verse. I use Logos Copy Bible Verse and Visual Copy extensively along with the Media Tool everyday, and get great results, but none of that negates the value and utility of Zipscript.
Hey, you never know, maybe all Copy Verse needs is a plug-in to be able to run in the background! Hopefully it gets implemented 👌
DAL
Indeed, making Logos a better experience is always a good objective. It has seen vast improvement since its LLS days.
Aaaah!! The blending of both worlds to have a better world! I'll vote for that! [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Can someone explain why they would close the program on a regular enough basis to make opening it a chore?
From this side it seems an odd hobby to indulge in. Logos gets restarted enough for updates without restarting it arbitrarily. Most of the time it sits in my rightmost workspace and simply waits to spring into action. It springs into action with a single click only because the homepage seems to wander off if not paid attention to. :-(
[Windows experience here.] When I had an older system, I closed Logos frequently whenever I needed to free up memory for other applications. Restarting then was a pain because of how slow it was to load. Now that I have a newer system with plenty of memory and an SSD, it stays open all the time*, and I have "Copy Bible Verses" open in all of my layouts so it's handy if I suddenly need it.
*Chrome is now the memory hog that gets shut if I feel I need a little more free RAM. Oh, is it ever a hog.
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Zipscript also does not require any keystrokes of your keyboard, it can be completely used and accessed by mouse clicks, something you can not do with Copy Bible Verse. I use Logos Copy Bible Verse and Visual Copy extensively along with the Media Tool everyday, and get great results, but none of that negates the value and utility of Zipscript.
Hey, you never know, maybe all Copy Verse needs is a plug-in to be able to run in the background! Hopefully it gets implemented 👌
DAL
Indeed, making Logos a better experience is always a good objective. It has seen vast improvement since its LLS days.
Aaaah!! The blending of both worlds to have a better world! I'll vote for that!
I‘d call it a Hybrid Copy & Paste with visuals (Visual copy) 👍
DAL
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If I am understanding what Dal said.... I think he said.... you could use "Ctrl - Alt - B" and pop up Copy Verse and not have to have it opened all the time.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Correct but Logos needs to be running.If I am understanding what Dal said.... I think he said.... you could use "Ctrl - Alt - B" and pop up Copy Verse and not have to have it opened all the time.
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If I am understanding what Dal said.... I think he said.... you could use "Ctrl - Alt - B" and pop up Copy Verse and not have to have it opened all the time.
From (less than) extensive (couple of minutes) testing...
Logos needs to be running, have the focus, and you have to be in the same workspace.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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If I am understanding what Dal said.... I think he said.... you could use "Ctrl - Alt - B" and pop up Copy Verse and not have to have it opened all the time.
From (less than) extensive (couple of minutes) testing...
I can get it to work as long as it is running, no focus or workspace necesasry
Logos needs to be running, have the focus, and you have to be in the same workspace.
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From (less than) extensive (couple of minutes) testing...
Logos needs to be running, have the focus, and you have to be in the same workspace.
I can get it to work as long as it is running, no focus or workspace necesasry
Perchance a Windows facility yet to be integrated into the MacOS version?
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Very much agree! And it doesn't take much. Maybe different colors for the different types of resources...
You've hit on something there and it is colours! I'm still amazed at how Logos insists on leaving out different colours for various panes. Online Bible has done this since it began and here we are in 2022 and we still don't have that feature in Logos. Astounding!
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