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DalePritchett said:Matt Barclay said:
(My youth would probably buy it around $15-20 and then buy devotionals with their new logos accounts.)
This is a fresh thought to me. I confess that I never thought about the potential of youth with this application. What are you thinking about in an ideal scenario?
Ideal scenario? They buy the app for the Bible & are able to use the app to get books that they're youth pastor (me) recommends. They can make notes, and bring them to church, and we can read books together (this would of course, mean getting more popular level books in libronix format, but the Zondervan deal will help with that I bet). What others have said about pbb format for mlogos would also be great- I could blast out my notes to them, questions, or even places I need to take issue with the author of the book we're reading together.
I think this will also work out for Logos from a marketing perspective. I know that I only use 1 digital music library (iTunes) simply because they got to me first. If logos is the digital book library, they might stick with that when they get older and move on to the main products- which not only helps Logos, but enriches their own faith!
The "i" world (iPhone, iPod, iTunes) is full of youth- I hope the product & pricing reaches out to previous customers like us, as well as the new market. Can't wait to see the final product!
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Any purchase made on a Kindle is free. However, to load one's PDFs, Word Documents, or any other personal file onto a Kindle costs $.99 currently which was my point. To upload documents that you already have costs, and yet people are doing it.
Why are they paying for it? Because having it on the mobile device is a greater convenience and as with many things, you have to pay a bit for convenience and mobility.
Look, I'm not saying that I hope they do it that way, I'm just saying it makes sense from their perspective. They have the program out there for free for anyone to jump on, they make money from new users as they purchase various books to add to their library, AND they having ongoing income from their current users.
One could argue that it would be a backhanded way to threat their current customers, but it would probably earn them the greatest profit while maximizing the availability of their program to new users.
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Jacob Hantla said:
They put more into the libronix application for the pc, but don't charge for that...because it generates books sales.
Jacob,
They originally charged for the libronix application on PC...only it was originally called, if I am correct, LLS, not LDLS.
all about Christ,
David
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PhilipGurgel said:
One could argue that it would be a backhanded way to threat their current customers, but it would probably earn them the greatest profit while maximizing the availability of their program to new users.
I wold have no problem with one time cost for the engine (15 - 20 USD) and even a small one time fee for the existing book to get it to my iLogos or how we call that little thing. But not paying every time I get book in to the iPhone. I might end up with doubling the price of the book eventually.
Bohuslav
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Well, certainly if they were to do that, you should only be charged once for each resource. They shouldn't be charging you over and over for adding and removing the same resource. That said, I don't understand the reason why anyone would be adding and removing their resources over and over in the first place.
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I just got an iPod Touch and can't wait for an app that will allow me to use my Logos Library! Would certainly like to be able to use a Bible or two without needing internet access ... though Bluetooth connection with my Mac would work IF my Mac was within earshot ... just for a quick look-up anywhere, or following a reading at church, or to show a friend the real quote (oh, yeah, misquote heaven abounds!). Would be nice if I could make a note or two by the text regarding an insight from a sermon thereon.
For now, get it started and keep improvements coming as quickly as possible. The sooner the better for a beginning!
Thanks for doing this!!
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PhilipGurgel said:
That said, I don't understand the reason why anyone would be adding and removing their resources over and over in the first place.
I can imagine that situation very well. I would put some set of books I want of study, let's say Messianic collection, and than, after a few months or a year I would want to review the material. However to keep all the books in my 8GB iPhone, with all the music, pictures, iTunesU lectures etc. etc., would be impossible. I would have to delete some books from time to time and than to get them back. Of course, when I get 32 GB iPhone, the problem will be solved (I hope [:)])
Bohuslav
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PhilipGurgel said:
Any purchase made on a Kindle is free. However, to load one's PDFs, Word Documents, or any other personal file onto a Kindle costs $.99 currently which was my point. To upload documents that you already have costs, and yet people are doing i
That's not entirely true. You can upload all the word and pdf documents you want to your kindle for free as long as you do it directly over usb. It's the wireless transfer that they charge you for, and that is only because it costs them money to pay for that wireless data transfer.
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So the new picture on the far top right. My guess is that is the iPhone app icon, but what do you think the blurred text next to it is? I wonder if it is the status of the app from apple.
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We need an expert in rendering blurred text. Christopher where are you? [;)]
iLogos Bible
Version X.X.X
AppleID: XXXXXXXXX
App Details:
Date Submitted: ?? October 2009
Status [] In Review
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Yeah it is called iTunes, so looks like the App icon. Works for me.
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Dale,
It seems that different people are willing to pay very differently according to how they will be using the app. What about an incremental price for different number of resources allowed in the app, would Apple allow it?
For example, you can have (1) A free app that allows only 10 resources downloaded in it, but people can delete and add resources as they wish but it can hold no more than 10 resources, (2) a $19.99 app that can hold 30 resources, (3) a $49.99 app that can hold unlimited number of resources [or something similar], with an upgrade option between them?
Regards, Amy
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Another way to do it would be: (1) A free App that holds 10 resources, user can delete and add resources as they wish but the app can hold a maximum of 10 resources; the App registers UUID and login information to allow for upgrade of device later, (2) a "$4.99 Resources Pack" App that add space for 10 more resources, a "$9.99 Resources Pack" App that add space for 20 more resources, and so on. The number of resources allowed is linked to the account and remembered on the server.
The problem is that it is not as flexible as it sounds as each user can only buy each App once in the Appstore. [:(]
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Well, I put an iPod touch on my Amazon wishlist, and I dropped a hint to my wife, who should pass the hint onto the family. But if one of you guys wants to hook me up before Christmas, I'm sure my family could find something else for Christmas.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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PhilipGurgel said:
Well, certainly if they were to do that, you should only be charged once for each resource. They shouldn't be charging you over and over for adding and removing the same resource. That said, I don't understand the reason why anyone would be adding and removing their resources over and over in the first place.
That would happen, for example, if one accidentally deletes, or needs to uninstall and reinstall the app.
There are a number of the things to be considered if Logos wants to charge $0.5 per download, for example, how to deal with: (1) interrupted, incomplete or corrupted downloads, (2) accidental deletion of resource or app and thus the need to redownload resources, (3) re-downloads of resources following restore of OS or upgrade of device, (4) customers unhappy with how a resource is rendered or behaves in the app and thus wants to remove it...
Now we all hope that Logos doesn't get too many unhappy customers from re-downloades and charges associated with it because we know what bad reviews can do to new Apps coming to the Appstore.
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I don't think they are going to charge .50 per resource, since apple's minimum price is .99 for in app purchases, (apple is requiring every company to sell all their resources via in-app purchase)that's what happened to Olivetree they will be selling pretty soon their iphone/ithouch resources via apple, but if logos charges for every resource .99 would be too much, i think a one time fee is ok 19.99 or the highest 29.99 and have access to all our library, that(i think) is fair for them for all their work and for us that already have bought many resources from them, i hope to see Logos app hit the appstore this weekend. can't wait
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Logos,
How are you guys surviving without coffee?!?
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Chris Roberts said:
Logos,
How are you guys surviving without coffee?!?
Seriously, close shop. We understand.
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Sorry for the double post, but I have to ask:
Dan: what size iPod Touch did you buy?
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David Buckham said:
Can I call dibs on an iPod giveaway? Please.
all about Christ,
David Buckhamoooh interesting idea! I figured it was for product testing, but why would marketing do that??? ooooh exciting!
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Do we know for sure this will work on an iPod, not just an iPhone? I would love to have this available and have been hoping for years, but from looking online at the prices... I don't know if I can justify the cost of an iPod/iPhone (even used ones are quite pricey).
Personally, I think the app should be around $20 and include a free iPod.
www.3rdcultureliving.com - Simple Abundant Legacy
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I couldn't understand only having one coffee machine either - but one ESPRESSO machine is a different story (especially if it's say an Expobar or Pasquini and a mazzer mini on the side
). Wow, how I'd love to swing by for hot water topped by an espresso... mmm...Airborne!
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Troy Morken said:
I couldn't understand only having one coffee machine either - but one ESPRESSO machine is a different story (especially if it's say an Expobar or Pasquini and a mazzer mini on the side
). Wow, how I'd love to swing by for hot water topped by an espresso... mmm...Here's a blog post -- from October 2005, four years ago -- that has a pic of the wonderful, wonderful Saeco automated espresso machine. At that time it had a count of 20,000 shots. I wonder what the count is now?
http://blog.logos.com/archives/2005/10/re-caffeinated.html
If you're interested to know the coffee we drink ... check out http://onyxcoffee.com. Yummy.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Rick,
Thanks for the post - wow! What a machine! I have a Saeco grinder from '96 and it's still kicking. But definitely my regards go to the coffee connoisseurs at Logos. Also, the "chubby mug" in the pic reminds me of my college days... ahh espresso.
Troy
Airborne!
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Hey Rick isn't that the same system someone drove up to Canada to get repaired and the company was "shocked" at the number of cups...?
I knew Logos was a cool place to work back then [:D]
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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I really like how they are posting screenshots and not just mockups anymore.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Jacob Hantla said:
I really like how they are posting screenshots and not just mockups anymore.
Agreed. I also really like how they make sure we know they're posting screenshots and not mock-ups so that we can thank them [8-|]
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David B Phillips said:Jacob Hantla said:
I really like how they are posting screenshots and not just mockups anymore.
Agreed. I also really like how they make sure we know they're posting screenshots and not mock-ups so that we can thank them
just humoring them...if they're gonna go through all the work to make the m.logos.com page and make comments in the source code, we oughta play along
Jacob Hantla
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Well, it's been a week now since they submitted, so I'm thinking it has to be any day now that it will appear in the store. I've heard the typical waiting period for apps is between one and two weeks. Here's to hoping that it's closer to one!
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Not much activity here lately. Maybe today will be the day when all of our questions are answered. Hurry up apple!!!!
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Maybe they bought the itouch so they could run/test the app in a "production environment". Al least that is my guess. But if they give it away - you can find me standing in line right after David.
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ChristopherCarlson said:
But if they give it away - you can find me standing in line right after David.
Thinking of Jesus' teaching, You will find me at the end of the line :-)
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Philip Spitzer said:
Thinking of Jesus' teaching, You will find me at the end of the line :-)
Thinking of Jesus' teaching...at one point I was the first in line and the end of the line
Now we have opened up a whole new can of theological discussion on this thread. Because the line only matters in two instances...1 - Are they really going to give it away or is it my shameful want of them too?
2 - At what point will they return to the thread to rapture the winner?
all about Christ,
David Buckham
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David Buckham said:
1 - Are they really going to give it away or is it my shameful want of them too?
2 - At what point will they return to the thread to rapture the winner?
One other thing to consider....Maybe they have someone on their team with the gift of multiplying loaves....wonder if it works on electronics.....
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I'm in the same boat, though I'm planning (hoping) on getting an ipod touch rather than an iphone. I'm perfectly content not having to pay an extra $30 a month for a data plan.
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Do you think the latest @Logos tweet ("10...") has anything to do with this?
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A countdown maybe? If tomorrow it says 9, then I think it is safe to say it is a countdown.
The question will be: A countdown to what?
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Pastor Jerry Bush said:
A countdown maybe? If tomorrow it says 9, then I think it is safe to say it is a countdown.
The question will be: A countdown to what?
Jerry
whatever it is...I hope it doesn't involve decimals.
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Yes. Seeing 9.9 tomorrow would be rough!
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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i dont think is a countdown since Logos doesnt know when apple is going to approve the app. Does anybody noticed the new images the uploaded today ?the one that says "read the bible in a year" (fifth one on the first row to your left) that picture has the date when they submitted the app to apple 10/16/09 and ends the 23rd(picture) , so the app will be in the store very soon.
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$10?
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David B Phillips said:
I'm in the same boat, though I'm planning (hoping) on getting an ipod touch rather than an iphone. I'm perfectly content not having to pay an extra $30 a month for a data plan.
I received my iTouch as a hand-me-down from my sister (Thanks sis !!!), and it has served me very well. I can't tell you the number of times, though, that I have found myself wishing I had an iPhone because I wanted to use an app or something and I was not in an area that had Wi-Fi. You might not think so now, but the idea of an always on and always with you internet connection is very powerful. There are many times that you will wish that you had it.
On the other hand, I still haven't upgraded to the iPhone for the exact reason that you described. For me, I just can't justify an additional $30 per month obligation. It is simply not a viable option.
I sincerely hope that the new Logos application has a provision for completely offline use. I can picture so many ways that this could be useful to me. But if it requires that I have a live connection to the internet to use it, i might as well just be sitting at my PC.
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Christopher,
It appears from the screen shots shown that ilogos will readily function offline. That's not to say that certain functions won't requrie on-line access, but reading (I'm confident) and searching (I think) will not.
What will we need on-line access for? (I should note, these are my assumptions based on screenshots and what we've been told, and are not necessarily correct [:)])
- Switching books between our bookshelf(local) and our library(on-line)
- Possibly running bible word study type reports
Those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
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