Septuagint reference off by one chapter vs typical English translations?

Greg
Greg Member Posts: 75
edited November 21 in English Forum

Does anyone know why the Lexam Septuagint is offset by one chapter vs other translations?

NASB is chapter 97

Psalm 97:7 (NASB95)

7 Let all those be ashamed who serve graven images,
Who boast themselves of idols;
Worship Him, all you gods.

Same verse in the Lexam Septuagint is chapter 96

Psalm 96:7 (LES)
7 *Let them be dishonored,
all those who worship carved idols,
those who pride themselves in their idols.
Worship him, all his angels!

Another Septuagint version also shows this verse in chapter 96

Psalm 96:7 (Brenton LXX En)
7 Let all that worship graven images be ashamed, who boast of their idols; worship him, all ye his angels.

In this version of the Septuagint, it shows the chapter as "96 (97)" indicating that it also is referred to as Psalm 97

How did this numbering system get to be different from the normal versions?

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  • David Thomas
    David Thomas Member Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭

    I would have to go back and compare chapter by chapter to find out which one, but LXX combines a couple of English psalms into 1 and also, some translations number the psalm heading as v.1  I learned this while teaching a Russian class and the Russian Synod translation had the same numbering as the LXX

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,133

    Does anyone know why the Lexam Septuagint is offset by one chapter vs other translations?

    It isn't ... the (selected) other translations are offset from the Septuagint. [:D]

    How to Untangle the Numbering of the Psalms - Hebrew vs. Septuagint Ennumeration - Taylor Marshall ">

    The table below should clarifying everything:



    Greek Numbering
    of Psalms    		Hebrew Numbering
    of Psalms
    1-8
    9 9-10
    10-112 11-113
    113 114-115
    114-115 116
    116-145 117-146
    146-147 147
    148-150

    * Psalms 9 and 10 in Hebrew are together as Psalm 9 in Greek
    * Psalms 114 and 115 in Greek are Psalm 113 in Hebrew
    * Psalms 114 and 115 in Greek are Psalm 116 in Hebrew
    * Psalms 146 and 147 in Greek form Psalm 147 in Hebrew
    * Psalms 10-112 and 116-145 (132 out of the 150) in Greek are numbered lower by one than the same psalm in Hebrew
    * Psalms 1-8 and 148-150 (11 psalms in total) are numbered the same in both the Greek and Hebrew editions.

    How did this numbering system get to be different from the normal versions?

    There is no "normal" version. Does Malachi have 3 or 4 chapters? It depends on the translation/manuscript. Logos supports more than 80 different chapter/verse divisions, translating from one to the other for the user.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,682

    Does anyone know why the Lexam Septuagint is offset by one chapter vs other translations?

    NASB is chapter 97

    Psalm 97:7 (NASB95)

    7 Let all those be ashamed who serve graven images,
    Who boast themselves of idols;
    Worship Him, all you gods.

    Same verse in the Lexam Septuagint is chapter 96

    Psalm 96:7 (LES)
    7 *Let them be dishonored,
    all those who worship carved idols,
    those who pride themselves in their idols.
    Worship him, all his angels!

    A Text Comparison with an English bible as base and some LXX bibles will show that Ps 9-10 are combined into LXX Ps 9. Thereafter there is an offfset of 1 in Psalm numbering.

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  • Greg
    Greg Member Posts: 75
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1206566#Comment_1206566

    Thank you everyone!  I learned something new!

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