Timelines
Comments
-
I'd like to ask a question
xnman, did you vote? We need votes and comments.Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD
0 -
I'd like to ask a question
xnman, did you vote? We need votes and comments.(Snaps heels together "click", makes a snappy salute)....Yes Sir.... I want to help all I can!!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
You're a scream. Thanks for all you contribute to these forums.I'd like to ask a question
xnman, did you vote? We need votes and comments.(Snaps heels together "click", makes a snappy salute)....Yes Sir.... I want to help all I can!!
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD
0 -
MJ.... how do I use the Timeline to list the Kings of the Northern Kingdom? I would think that would be something easy for Timeline..
You don't. While the underlying software is capable of doing it, the implementation of categories for selection is intended to provide broader information. To get a chart of kings and prophets, you use a media search and select from one of several customized timelines from graphic artists. I honestly thought I had made that clear in my post - where did I go wrong?
how do we go about trying to make Logos work for us... and us not working for it ...
While there are a number of features that don't have an optimal implementation and there are very different degrees of meeting "all the needs" depending upon your role and denomination, most of learning to use Logos is learning to use the right tool for your needs. The easiest way to learn is to ask in the forums when a tool isn't meeting your need. As you have discovered, the search is not the appropriate tool for identifying Moses' wife. Yes, you can make it do so, but the Factbook provides the data in a simple, nonrepetitive manner. (I think that was the example you used.)
The other aspect of learning to use Logos is to be realistic about what it can do. I want to find all the incidents in the Bible in which a male violates one or more of the 613 mitzvahs -- I obviously cannot do it. In fact, I can only find the mitzvahs because of FL coding - I can't write a search using nothing but the Biblical text that can find them. So to use Logos, I need to have a realistic understanding of when I have to use FL coding and a realistic understanding of what limitations dependence on FL imposes.
But my primary point was that feedback that simply says "too complicated" "too confusing", "too ... is not going to help FL to identify the problems and provide solutions -- we need to say "not suitable as a slide/handout because I can't select only prophets who are also author " ... just as I'd failed to understand that you and Josh were using a search to find a specific fact (what I think of as a lookup) until you mentioned Moses' wife.
FYI - the three weakest functions in Logos from my perspective is (a) the lack of support for multi-word phrases in the Concordance tool, (b) the poor implementation of liturgical calendar dates, and (c) the prayer list function with its petitionary focus and assumption response means stop praying about it.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
MJ, I think you're being too hard on xnman. He comes from a different culture, as he said, and I think I quote, "I didn't grow up with Logos." I think his perspective has some merit. There are instances where FL can improve by scaling down its complexity and most importantly reducing its tendency to overwhelm with information. My question to you is; what do you use the Timeline Tool for and importantly are you satisfied with its performance?MJ.... how do I use the Timeline to list the Kings of the Northern Kingdom? I would think that would be something easy for Timeline..
You don't. While the underlying software is capable of doing it, the implementation of categories for selection is intended to provide broader information. To get a chart of kings and prophets, you use a media search and select from one of several customized timelines from graphic artists. I honestly thought I had made that clear in my post - where did I go wrong?
how do we go about trying to make Logos work for us... and us not working for it ...
While there are a number of features that don't have an optimal implementation and there are very different degrees of meeting "all the needs" depending upon your role and denomination, most of learning to use Logos is learning to use the right tool for your needs. The easiest way to learn is to ask in the forums when a tool isn't meeting your need. As you have discovered, the search is not the appropriate tool for identifying Moses' wife. Yes, you can make it do so, but the Factbook provides the data in a simple, nonrepetitive manner. (I think that was the example you used.)
The other aspect of learning to use Logos is to be realistic about what it can do. I want to find all the incidents in the Bible in which a male violates one or more of the 613 mitzvahs -- I obviously cannot do it. In fact, I can only find the mitzvahs because of FL coding - I can't write a search using nothing but the Biblical text that can find them. So to use Logos, I need to have a realistic understanding of when I have to use FL coding and a realistic understanding of what limitations dependence on FL imposes.
But my primary point was that feedback that simply says "too complicated" "too confusing", "too ... is not going to help FL to identify the problems and provide solutions -- we need to say "not suitable as a slide/handout because I can't select only prophets who are also author " ... just as I'd failed to understand that you and Josh were using a search to find a specific fact (what I think of as a lookup) until you mentioned Moses' wife.
FYI - the three weakest functions in Logos from my perspective is (a) the lack of support for multi-word phrases in the Concordance tool, (b) the poor implementation of liturgical calendar dates, and (c) the prayer list function with its petitionary focus and assumption response means stop praying about it.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD
0 -
Thanks MJ.... So I go over to Google ... type in Kings of Northern Kingdom... and walla... there they are... easy peazy ....
I know how to get information.... just wish I could do it in Logos. [8-|]xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
Nice image! You had to hunt for that though. Similarly in Logos you enter the same string in a media search of charts and timelines in all resources. You'll get images. It is possible in Logos.Thanks MJ.... So I go over to Google ... type in Kings of Northern Kingdom... and walla... there they are... easy peazy ....
I know how to get information.... just wish I could do it in Logos.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD
0 -
Nice image! You had to hunt for that though. Similarly in Logos you enter the same string in a media search of charts and timelines in all resources. You'll get images. It is possible in Logos.
Didn't hunt at all.... I use Chrome browser.... just type "kings of northern kingdom" in address bar... and there she be!
And I must not have the right resources or features in Logos... because I don't get anything like that chart in Logos when I search Media -- Charts; Timeline in all resources for kings of northern kingdom. What chart do you get?
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
Nice image! You had to hunt for that though. Similarly in Logos you enter the same string in a media search of charts and timelines in all resources. You'll get images. It is possible in Logos.
Didn't hunt at all.... I use Chrome browser.... just type "kings of northern kingdom" in address bar... and there she be!
And I must not have the right resources or features in Logos... because I don't get anything like that chart in Logos when I search Media -- Charts; Timeline in all resources for kings of northern kingdom. What chart do you get?
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD
0 -
I think you're being too hard on xnman. He comes from a different culture
What I have here is a failure to communicate ... I'll not try a third time. Yes, his comments are useful and I gave a specific example where his posts led to a clearer understanding of comments from both Josh and him.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
So I go over to Google ... type in Kings of Northern Kingdom...
that II go to the search ... then remember that my library is currently only about 4% on my device so I hope I have loaded something with media:
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
My question to you is; what do you use the Timeline Tool for and importantly are you satisfied with its performance?
I use the timeline to get the context of an event I am interested in - that is what the available categories make it useful for. In that context I wish more of the timeline links had been completed. But I am moderately satisfied. I would like a coping saw but I have a cross-cut saw and use it as such. However, as I have previously noted, because it is not designed to create handout/slide appropriate timelines, I use professional timeline software for presentation development. It had appeared from the Feedbear s tatus for the LessonMaker from WordSearch, that FL might be developing tools appropriate for the Sunday School/faith formation oriented users. It would be with that thrust, that the timeline tool that I would expect FL to develop the timeline tool with an eye on presentation uses.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
Actually..... I think MJ has been very patient with me... I appreciate that.... and I'm not trying to do anything but learn this process of Logos.... honest...
Oookay.... I am more confused... I think my biggest fault is that I am persistent too much... but... I am beginning to think ... I have a different Logos 9 than everyone else... (kidding)... But...
I own The Bible Knowledge Commentary BKC....
LLS:29.1.1
2022-06-10T18:00:50Z
bkc.logos4.... which is where MJ points to the information ....
So when I use Search --> Media --> Charts; Timelines in All Resources... for kings northern kingdom... here's what I get....
Can one of you please explain this to me? IF I have the same book... and I DO THE SAME SEARCH shouldn't I get similar results?
Edit:------------------------
Ok my bad..... I type in the search exactly as MJ had.... (the hieroglyphics caught me...) ... and here's what I get.... It's still not what MJ got...
Which just goes to show .... I don't understand the hieroglyphics of Search...I don't know how to Search!.
Here I have a Bible program that I estimate cost me somewhere between $6,000 and $8,000 ... and for the life of me.... I don't know how to search the program.... [:(]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
Whoa.... The search I did above (same as MJ) did not show anything from BKC... it did show charts from Thompsons.... Holman.... Daniel-Hosea (KJV).... but nothing from BKC....
I've seen things like this before.... where I do the same search as someone illustrated in a forum thread.... and some of my books don't seem to be searched... Believe me, I am more confused....
What am I doing wrong???
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
Maybe try reindexing just that resource? The help manual has the syntax for it
0 -
Timelines are ridiculously burdened with glut.
There is a significant risk in asking FL to improve timelines.
FL doesn't do easy-to-use. And they need very clear detailed instructions in their Feedbear. Else, risky business.
- I can see obnoxious search syntax in their little timeline search box. Keeping the little box small, of course.
- Battleship-greying the text for reduced readability.
- More totally who-knows-what-that-is menu categories.
- And more timeline events to successfully hide what you're hoping for.
Oh sure, you want Northern Kingdom Kings? No. No, you don't. Not designed for that.
0 -
Oh sure, you want Northern Kingdom Kings? No. No, you don't. Not designed for that.
I know I'm being excessively obnoxious. But I was just curious ... maybe Factbook knows how to do Timeline????
I tried it out .. I typed in 'timeline' and it gave a choice of 'Timeline of Biblical Events'. Yes!! But then, well, not really.
0 -
Which software do you use? I'd love to have some software that handles timelines well.
0 -
Which software do you use? I'd love to have some software that handles timelines well.
Timeline Maker Pro – Best Timeline Software for Business which also has a free version.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
I think my biggest fault is that I am persistent too much... but...
Actually, you are exactly right to be very useful on the forums. While at times it may be like pulling hens' teeth, you persist until we (or at least I) truly understand the problem. In this case, I'd say the problem is two-fold:
- Users want to use the Timeline tool for clear, simple timelines for presentations - slides, handouts, etc. This task is better served by a media search in the current implementation. Note that the search has a media tool, and at least three sections of media results. This is complicated by the Media search reflecting how a chart or timeline was incorporated into the published text - only images show, not typological versions. While it is very workable if you know your library well, this adds to the difficulty of finding good premade timelines.
- In order for the Timeline tool to create the clear, simple timelines for presentations users want, a much more granular selection of data is required. I think a faceted approach would be the clearest to the user but could see a select list (to display or remove) as another possible option.
My results this time are not typical as very little of my library is downloaded. The media search does not have a library (cloud) section AFAIK. When I have time, I'll play around with media timelines/charts and see if I can figure out the difference.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
MJ --- Any idea why my search did not show The Bible Knowledge Commentary (BKC) and yours did?
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
MJ --- Any idea why my search did not show The Bible Knowledge Commentary (BKC) and yours did?
It might be because you limited your search to Charts and Timelines but MJ did not (her search was for "All Media").
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
0 -
I found you had to add Table to Timelines and Charts to pick up the BKC image. I recommend you include Diagrams as well.MJ --- Any idea why my search did not show The Bible Knowledge Commentary (BKC) and yours did?
It might be because you limited your search to Charts and Timelines but MJ did not (her search was for "All Media").
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD
0 -
I finally found it.... it's under tables.... Thanks to all!
And this illustrates what I think is a problem with search.... It's not easy to use!!
I turn to Chrome... type in "kings of northern kingdom" hit enter... choose first choice and bingo.... I don't have to spend 30 minutes trying to figure out what to "tick on" to find my answer.
So I "tick on" every thing in Search Media.... then I have to wade through so much which convolutes the possible answer.... much like Timeline....
Search needs some work .... IMHO ..... [8-|]
Thanks to all for being patient with me.... I appreciate you guys!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0 -
Search needs some work
It does ... but we need to ask for the right work (which includes multiple acceptable solutions and priorities)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
Search needs some work
It does ... but we need to ask for the right work (which includes multiple acceptable solutions and priorities)
And here I remember an age old principle.... KISS..... lol
Thanks for your help.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
0
