How to search for all places in the NT where κύριος is NOT Jesus Nor God?

Michel Pauw

I tried to perform a search to find all places in the New Testament (NA28) where the Greek word κύριος does not refer to either Jesus or God: 

1. lemma:κύριος NOTEQUALS <Person Jesus> results in 433 hits
2. lemma:κύριος NOTEQUALS <Person God> results in 510 hits, even though κύριος in many of those verses is correctly labeled Person God!
3. lemma:κύριος NOTEQUALS <Person Jesus> ANDNOT lemma:κύριος EQUALS <Person God> results in 247 hits, but it still includes those references where κύριος refers to and is labeled as Person God!
4. lemma:κύριος NOTEQUALS (<Person God> OR <Person Jesus>) results in 0 hits
5. lemma:κύριος ANDNOT (<Person God> OR <Person Jesus>) results in 61 hits, which is a good start, but it still leaves out verses like Mt. 6:24, because God is mentioned in the same verse a little further.

What am I doing wrong? 

MJ. Smith

Don't you need to use INTERSECTS or WITHIN 0 WORDS because you are looking for a match in a single word. I think your search arguments are a match within the verse.

Graham Criddle

lemma:κύριος NOTEQUALS <Person God> results in 510 hits, even though κύριος in many of those verses is correctly labeled Person God!

One of those results is in Matthew 2:13. Looking at that, as an example, the words of the Lord are all tagged with God which is why it doesn't satisfy your search requirements.

Using NOT INTERSECTS (following MJ's suggestion) gives better results:

<Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> NOT INTERSECTS (<Person God>, <Person Jesus>)

Does this give you what you are looking for?

Michel Pauw

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1214655#Comment_1214655

Thanks, M.J. and Graham. NOT INTERSECTS works better indeed: 

lemma:κύριος NOT INTERSECTS <Person Jesus> NOT INTERSECTS <Person God>

However, I still would like to better understand why NOTEQUALS isn't working. My understanding is that this operator also applies to the same word, right? 

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1215164#Comment_1215164

However, I still would like to better understand why NOTEQUALS isn't working. My understanding is that this operator also applies to the same word, right? 

I find it helpful to look at it from "the other end"

As I mentioned above, one of the places where you don't get the results you are looking for is in Matt 5:21, in that it does return a search result even though the word Lord is tagged as God.

But if you do a search for <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> EQUALS <Person God> Matthew 5:21 is not returned as the tagging for God extends to the words translated of the Lord

So the two are not exactly equivalent - one has a "larger scope" than the other - and so they are not deemed to be equal. And so therefore show up in a NOTEQUALS search

Does that help at all?

 

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1215169#Comment_1215169

As I mentioned above, one of the places where you don't get the results you are looking for is in Matt 5:21

I think Graham means  Mt 2:13.

another way is to say that Person God  = "of the Lord"

whereas                                      κύριος =           "Lord"

So Person God and κύριος do not occupy the exact same location. For that to happen only "Lord" would be tagged.

However, it should be clear that κύριος does overlap Person God - hence the use of NOT INTERSECTS. In fact, κύριος is totally within Person God, so you could try NOT WITHIN. However, NOT INTERSECTS is the better option overall.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216178#Comment_1216178

I think Graham means  Mt 2:13.

I did - thanks Dave