One verse per line, chapters, and non-biblical text at a same time?

EDUARDO JIMENEZ
EDUARDO JIMENEZ Member Posts: 414 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

¡Hola amigos!

I like to read the biblical text one-verse-per-line. And still see chapters and the non -biblical text. But I see that in visual filters I do not achieve it. Are these mutually exclusive options? Un gran saludo!

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  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭

    Hola, Roger!

    When I click Bible Text Only, it is a little odd, because I can check Non-Bible Text under that. Are you seeing something different?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,132

    it is a little odd, because I can check Non-Bible Text under that.

    I seem to be a contrarian tonight. It doesn't strike me as any odder that chapter/verse numbers or footnote indicators. I take "Bible text only" as meaning that the options apply only to Bible text ... for some odd reason that I ran into within the last couple of weeks, pericope headings are considered "Bible text". I didn't buy the rationale but assumed FL knew their customer base better than I do.

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  • Kyle G. Anderson
    Kyle G. Anderson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,203

    I take "Bible text only" as meaning that the options apply only to Bible text ... for some odd reason that I ran into within the last couple of weeks, pericope headings are considered "Bible text". I didn't buy the rationale but assumed FL knew their customer base better than I do.

    Hmm...that smells like a bug to me. Pericope headings shouldn't be considered Bible text.
  • EDUARDO JIMENEZ
    EDUARDO JIMENEZ Member Posts: 414 ✭✭

     Are you seeing something different? 

    No Justin. The same here.

    MJ. Smith">

     I didn't buy the rationale but assumed FL knew their customer base better than I do. 

    I hope they can interpreter better their customers! ...at least!

    Ok, we all agree that strange things happen on this menu. I hope it's not one of those "unimportant" things that are not worth paying attention to!

    Thanks for your time!

    But I still wonder if there is a way. [^o)]

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭

    Roger, to clarify, when I click all of those boxes, I get one verse per line, but also get chapters (shown like verses  as 3:1 for example) and non Bible text. Can you post a screenshot of what you're seeing?

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭

    I seem to be a contrarian tonight. It doesn't strike me as any odder that chapter/verse numbers or footnote indicators. I take "Bible text only" as meaning that the options apply only to Bible text 

    I'm sure they is what it means. I just interpreted it as saying it would show only biblical text, and so a sub option that seems to say the exact opposite of the heading seemed a little odd. But once you know it is there it is no big deal. 

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,132

    Hmm...that smells like a bug to me. Pericope headings shouldn't be considered Bible text.

    My memory may be wrong but I think it was in regards to the placement of note icons that a FL employee said the pericope headings were considered Bible text In regards to a search, none of them (chapter, verse, footnote, pericope title) are treated as Bible text but all of them are controlled in the visual filters as under "Bible text only".

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  • EDUARDO JIMENEZ
    EDUARDO JIMENEZ Member Posts: 414 ✭✭

    Roger, to clarify, when I click all of those boxes, I get one verse per line, but also get chapters (shown like verses  as 3:1 for example) and non Bible text. Can you post a screenshot of what you're seeing?

    Hola Justin. This is what I get:

  • Roy
    Roy Member Posts: 965

    Roger,

    I do not have the 1995 version of Reina-Valera.

    I looked on line and it appears that the on-line version has pericopes (the headings) as does two of the bibles you pictured.

    So I guess my question is can you show us a screen capture of the Visual Filters settings for the Reina-Valera 1995?

    pictured are my settings for the 1960 version and the "switches" operate as expected.

    If I had to guess I would surmise that the "Non-Bible text" box is un-checked. I just want to be sure we aren't overlooking the obvious.

  • Kyle G. Anderson
    Kyle G. Anderson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,203

    Hmm...that smells like a bug to me. Pericope headings shouldn't be considered Bible text.

    My memory may be wrong but I think it was in regards to the placement of note icons that a FL employee said the pericope headings were considered Bible text In regards to a search, none of them (chapter, verse, footnote, pericope title) are treated as Bible text but all of them are controlled in the visual filters as under "Bible text only".

    Thank you for the clarification. That makes sense. Pericope headings "belong" to a Bible verse milestone e.g. in the NRSV "Lot's Captivity and Rescue" is Genesis 14:1 which matters for note anchoring.

    The pericope title should not be visible, however, when selecting "Bible Text Only" in a Visual Filter because its not, strictly speaking, Bible text even if it does belong to a Bible milestone.

  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,366

    The pericope title should not be visible, however, when selecting "Bible Text Only" in a Visual Filter

    Unless you have turned on the "Non-Bible text" option. Yes, it's a little strange that it sounds like the opposite of the visual filter name. It's an extra feature to support people who just want to turn off some of the other settings without losing things like pericope titles.

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  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

    The pericope title should not be visible, however, when selecting "Bible Text Only" in a Visual Filter

    Unless you have turned on the "Non-Bible text" option. Yes, it's a little strange that it sounds like the opposite of the visual filter name. It's an extra feature to support people who just want to turn off some of the other settings without losing things like pericope titles.

    Is all of this documented somewhere within Logos/Verbum?

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  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,366

    Is all of this documented somewhere within Logos/Verbum?

    The help file covers the "Bible text only" visual filter in detail in the section on Visual Filters.

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • EDUARDO JIMENEZ
    EDUARDO JIMENEZ Member Posts: 414 ✭✭

    I guess the gap in RVR60 is due to BIG chapter number, which disappear when "Bible text only" is disabled. And here comes my confusion and strange things. The LBLA keeps its One-verse-per-line in both cases, when Bible text only is disabled and when is not. So I started to look for the same behavior in RVR60 which is my fav Bible to teach. Whatever the situation, it seems to me that the behaviour of the functions in Texts should be devoloped under standards. English versions looks great!

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  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭

    I think it was in regards to the placement of note icons that a FL employee said the pericope headings were considered Bible text In regards to a search, none of them (chapter, verse, footnote, pericope title) are treated as Bible text but all of them are controlled in the visual filters as under "Bible text only".

    This may demonstrate what you describe. Note that the green highlight shows that a note attached to verse 3 appears directly in front of verse 3. However, when I attached the three yellow notes to verse one, they did not appear in front of the number 1, but rather appeared in front of the pericope heading. This always worked this way, going all the way back to L3.

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  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭

    This may demonstrate what you describe. Note that the green highlight shows that a note attached to verse 3 appears directly in front of verse 3. However, when I attached the three yellow notes to verse one, they did not appear in front of the number 1, but rather appeared in front of the pericope heading. This always worked this way, going all the way back to L3.

    I have never appreciated this inconsistence in where the notes Icon is place. I think, as some do, that placing the Notes icon at the end of the verse would be better....

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