BUG: Clicking Marginal Link Opens LXX Interlinear Instead of Linking to Opened Bible Text???? WHY!!!
As pic shows, I was interested in looking at the Tanakh: reference for Gal. 3:10, which is Deut. 27:26. For almost 25 years of my life, clicking that link would take me straight to...wait for it!...Deut. 27:26 in my opened NASB95. But just now, for no perceptual reason, this cursed program decided to do something else...
...instead of my NASB95, it decided to take me to this...
My cursor is still in the exact same spot as where I clicked the link. How does CRAZY crap like this just happen out of the blue?? And then, in the process of attempting to figure out this travesty's cause, THIS happens. Unbearable.
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What are the priorities of the Bibles in question? Clicking on a link has always taken me to my highest priority Bible containing the reference.
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What are the priorities of the Bibles in question? Clicking on a link has always taken me to my highest priority Bible containing the reference.
I have NASB95 at the top, and it is also the Bible which I am in. Of course, on one level, why would that matter...I have made no changes at all to any of my settings.
Btw, this condition is apparently now the default. Every chapter/verse link I click is taking me to the aforementioned (if pics count) LXX. Infuriating. [:@]
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Btw, this condition is apparently now the default.
For me, the default is still my top Bible.
Go to your library and move the LXX down in priority and the problem will resolve. If it isn't obviously the top priority check the advanced prioritization for the NASB95.
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Actually, I don't think that version of the LXX (Swete) is even in my priorities list. I have another LXX at about 15th place, but when Swete was released, I closed the other LXX and opened Swete in my Bibles window. I never even bothered to amend the list. NASB95 is still atop the list, so if it were a "natural" priorities issue, then it really shouldn't be an issue. And Swete isn't even included, so it shouldn't even be capable of receiving priority.
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Can you please show screen shots of your priority list? What you are describing has not been replicated by others and is exactly the behavior expected from prioritization as illustrated by my screen shot. I can think of another possibility, but I'll not set up a test for it until I am certain your priorities are not to blame.
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The second highlighted resource is the LXX that I closed in my Bibles window. The LXX that is opening is the Swete version, which now is in my Bibles window, but which isn't in my preferences.
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I think the bounce to Swete might be correct? The LXX and maybe the Samaritan specifically identify 'all' the law. The hebrew is a bit opionated 'this the law' might be translated 'all' the law. But the LXX makes it clear.
Unfortunately the DSS fragments drop out, right where they're needed.
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I think the bounce to Swete might be correct? The LXX and maybe the Samaritan specifically identify 'all' the law. The hebrew is a bit opionated 'this the law' might be translated 'all' the law. But the LXX makes it clear.
Unfortunately the DSS fragments drop out, right where they're needed.
The problem is that this switch from NASB95 to Swete occurs anytime I click a link...not just the link in Gal. 3:10 in the pic. Also, this doesn't happen in Verbum, and both apps have the exact same priorities lists.
Also, just checked, and links to NT verses do remain in NASB, so that's good. Still need to resolve this issue.
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Not coincidentally, I have been engaged in a FB discussion/argument about this exact verse (it's why I was searching it). The charge some make is that Paulus adds the word "all", but that's unfair and not true. He's just quoting the LXX, where the word occurs. I have issues with Paulie, but not over this. Also, the addition of "all" doesn't substantially change the intent or outcome of the verse in the MT. Of course, strictly speaking, no human can keep the "whole" law, since some laws are for women and some for men, plus some are for priests only, etc. I take Paulus's "all" (which is the LXX's "all") to mean "all of the Law that rightly applies to you". In that sense, we are expected to do all of what applies to us. It's not a true discrepancy with divergent outcomes. Paulus provides plenty enough of those elsewhere.
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Also, just checked, and links to NT verses do remain in NASB, so that's good. Still need to resolve this issue.
I believe you have send hyperlinks here enabled in your LXX Swete resource
If that is the case, and you deselect it, normal service should be resumed.
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You've come to my rescue again, Graham! Thank you. But this initiates the question: WHY was it checked? I certainly didn't do it consciously, the same way I didn't consciously turn on the "Bible text only" that removed my verse numbers. I suppose I could have accidentally checked it when altering the text size, but that would be the only (and rather unlikely) explanation I can think of.
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But this initiates the question: WHY was it checked?
Gee .. doesn't everyone use the apostolic inspired text?
And a good idea from Graham.
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But this initiates the question: WHY was it checked?
I wondered about that too!
I suppose I could have accidentally checked it when altering the text size, but that would be the only (and rather unlikely) explanation I can think of.
I can't think of a better explanation.
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I thought your observation might solve another vexing irritation I've been contending with of late. In L3, when you are in a Strong's window, the entry has listings for the related entries in TWOT, DBL H/A/G, TDNT, TDNTA, and clicking any of those links took you to THAT resource...as it should be. I thought the same thing happened in L4-L8, but now in L9, clicking these links usually takes you nowhere. That has frustrated me to no end over the last year or two, as I now have to take an enormous amount of time (comparatively speaking) to access that info analogically. So inspired by your observation above, I reverse engineered the process in my thoughts and wondered if this "send links here" might solve my woes.
I went to an open entry in my DBLH and clicked the corresponding Strong's link...and nothing happened, as usual of late. I then went to the Strong's tab and clicked "send hyperlinks here", returned to DBLH, clicked the Strong's link again, and PRESTO!! Success! But...would it now work in the opposite direction??? I clicked "send hyperlinks here" in DBLH, went to Strong's, clicked the DBLH link...and nothing happened. Apparently, since "send hyperlinks here" is active in the Strong's tab, clicking the DBLH link doesn't make that journey...it stays where it is, even though DBLH has "send here" active as well. So "send links here" doesn't solve that problem. It is a "one direction" solution, which is a half-baked solution.
I addressed this issue in this thread. Again, in L3 for certain, and I'm almost positive up to L8, if you clicked any of those links in the Strong's entry in the pics, you were taken to the corresponding entry in the resource you just clicked on. That needs to be true in all cases now. As with so many other complaints I have been having since L9, it is an issue of LOST FUNCTIONALITY, not fanciful, grandiose wish-listing.
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and I'm almost positive up to L8, if you clicked any of those links in the Strong's entry in the pics, you were taken to the corresponding entry in the resource you just clicked on.
I wouldn't have expected this in L4 and upwards (I never really used L3 so can't comment there).
It is designed to take you to your highest prioritised resource with a corresponding entry.
So, in my configuration for example, when I click the TWOT entry it opens DBL as this is prioritised higher in my Library than TWOT.
Does this explain the behaviour you are seeing?
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It is designed to take you to your highest prioritised resource with a corresponding entry.
This is a design FLAW then. If I am IN Strong's, and it's my preferred, and I click the link that SAYS DBLH, why on earth would I want to end up in the exact same place I already am? Why would I even click the link in the first place?? The WHOLE POINT of inserting those links was to take you to those resources. Tbh, that's ALSO the whole point of Logos...the point that is trumpeted in the marketing videos. I do fully comprehend the value of having a "preferred resource" for certain searches, but that modality can't be, and isn't, appropriate in all scenarios. There are tons of links in Logos that should ONLY go to the resource that is indicated BY THE LINK ITSELF, at least by default. Because "send link here" is a thing, I suppose user edits are possible. But if I'm looking at a link that says HALOT and I click it, I don't want to be sent anywhere else, not even my "preferred" resource. I am having a hard time even understanding why I am having to make this case.
As I opined in the other thread linked in my previous post, I think ALL lexical resources in Logos should have links to ALL "like" resources across the board. When you are doing a vocabulary and language use study, it is highly desirable to be able to compare various entries from different lexicons for your particular target of study. As far as I can tell now, doing that requires tons of elbow grease when this is EXACTLY the kind of job that hyperlinks were designed to facilitate and make quick and easy. If FL is concerned they "can't" add such links within the text of copyrighted material, then make the links a visual filter or a sticky pop-up. Studying in Strong's but wonder what TWOT has to say? Click the icon and up pops a sticky with all 15 or 20 or so Hebrew or Greek lexicon acronyms that you can then either click (to go there) or right-click (to open a new tab). It's genius! [I][H][I]
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Well, I have L3, L7, and L9. My prioritization is the same for L7 and L9.
- L3 indeed opens as instructed eg a TWOT entry in DBLH opens TWOT. That seems common sense, since there's a selection.
- In L7 (Windows/Logos), repeating the same test, the software simply changes indices. eg a TWOT entry in DBLH, switches to the TWOT index, in DBLH. Or as David expresses, 'goes nowhere'.
- in L9 (Verbum/Mac), the behavior is as in L7.
My memory is poor, at L4, as Graham indicates, they switched to generic Strongs/prioritizing. This caused some grief between Strongs and TWOT; similar number, but differing lemma.
I didn't check further per the full issue David describes. I did notice the TWOT popup in DBLH shows DBLH! I don't have any Strongs prioritized, though I do have TWOT prioritized vs other lemma-based lexicons.
I don't see any point to prioritizing Strongs ... when, you want TWOT, you want TWOT. Or whatever you're clicking on.
It does appear broke-ish. Or .... recommends ... again ... Libby!!
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I totally understand that the program isn't doing what you want it to do.
The WHOLE POINT of inserting those links was to take you to those resources
But I don't believe that was the point of intesering the links (as far as the designers / developers were concerned). The point was to enable someone to lookup that particular reference.
If you right-click the TWOT number, it shows that what is tagged is the number (sorry, I can't post a screenshot at the moment) - and, from there, we can execute a lookup operation to a resource of choice. If we simply single-click, the highest prioritised resource is used.
While it isn't as convenient as you would like, it might provide a workaround for you?
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Quick question as I don't have time to test it right now. Can advanced prioritization solve David Paul's issue?
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It does appear broke-ish. Or .... recommends ... again ... Libby!!
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As I opined in the other thread linked in my previous post, I think ALL lexical resources in Logos should have links to ALL "like" resources across the board.
For the average user doesn't the context menu provide this? Can you provide a screen shot or the resource in which you are having the issue? You say you are "In Strong's" - I tried Strong, James. Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Woodside Bible Fellowship, 1995. and the links to specific resources appear to link correctly to those particular resources -- I'm misunderstanding something.
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doesn't the context menu provide this?
What do you mean by "context menu"? Are you talking about the individual menu that opens in the top right of a given window?
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What do you mean by "context menu"?
The right-click menu - where most of the functions of Logos are supplied.
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Quick question as I don't have time to test it right now. Can advanced prioritization solve David Paul's issue?
Great question - and from a quick test (I changed TWOT so it was using advanced prioritisation just for the TWOT number and moved it above other lexicons in the prioritisation lost) it seemed to work.
However, I've not really explored advanced prioritisation in detail so probably not the right person to advice details on this.
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You say you are "In Strong's" - I tried Strong, James. Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Woodside Bible Fellowship, 1995. and the links to specific resources appear to link correctly to those particular resources -- I'm misunderstanding something.
Returning to this...I tested in the entry from DBLH as shown in pic...
For the yellow highlighted links, they go nowhere, but they do present a keyhole preview, OF THE ENTRY IN DBLH I'M ALREADY IN!!!...though in Libby! Libby!! Libby!!!, a much larger and correct preview was provided, often big enough that an entire entry was shown and so no need to click was even necessary. Oddly, the green link to LN does go to the specified link. No idea why...OT links vs. NT links?
The right-click menu - where most of the functions of Logos are supplied.
On this point, I pulled up this example...
A few options present, but TWOT, one of my main go-to's, isn't among them. Neither are TDOT, TLOT, and a few others. Question: Can I manually add resources to this list of choices? If so, how?
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For the average user doesn't the context menu provide this? Can you provide a screen shot or the resource in which you are having the issue? You say you are "In Strong's" - I tried Strong, James. Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Woodside Bible Fellowship, 1995. and the links to specific resources appear to link correctly to those particular resources -- I'm misunderstanding something.
Just discussing. If you're talking looking at a TWOT number in Enhanced Strongs (example), clicking it, then, 'nothing happens' for me. Yes, I could right-click as a workaround.
But it's inconsistent in Logos (vs Libby). A ref to a TWOT lemma takes you to TWOT (the author's intent). A ref to a TWOT number results in ... hard to say what? I'm guessing the Logos default for Strong-ish numbers is DBLx. I suspect only the initial set, but don't know.
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However, I've not really explored advanced prioritisation in detail so probably not the right person to advice details on this.
Going back to this - I think this works.
I've set up advanced prioritisation (blue outline) on TWOT for the TWOT datatype when accessed from ESL (this last isn't necessary if you want this prioritisation to apply whichever resource you are doing the lookup from).
I also have "normal prioritisation" (red outline) for the same lexicon when other types of lookup are taking place.
Details on setting up advanced prioritisation are at https://wiki.logos.com/Prioritizing#Advanced_Prioritization
David - does this give you what you want?
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For the yellow highlighted links, they go nowhere, but they do present a keyhole preview, OF THE ENTRY IN DBLH I'M ALREADY IN!!!
This goes back to the prioritisation discussion. It looks as though DBL Hebrew is higher prioritised than TWOT and so, as you are already in that resource, the software sees no need to move.
A few options present, but TWOT, one of my main go-to's, isn't among them. Neither are TDOT, TLOT, and a few others. Question: Can I manually add resources to this list of choices? If so, how?
No - the context menu only shows your five higihes prioritised matching resources. You could have a Lemma Guide open (this is a single guide section and matches the Lemma section of the Bible Word Study Guide) and link it to your Bible. Then whenever you click a word, the guide will update to match. And as the Lemma section shows all your linked lexicons, they are all available to you there. The (admittedly) annoying thing is that each time you refresh the guide, you need to expand the list of lexicons by clicking the More button!
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