Upgrade to Diamond now or wait for Logos 10
I am being offered a very good price on a Diamond upgrade for about a 70% discount, but wondering if I should wait for Logos 10 to release and upgrade then? Looking to steward my resources best. Based on your past experiences what do you think?
My priority is to always be able to acquire the Full Features Package.
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Do it! There might be some resources that will/might get removed and will not be available in the next upgrade anymore.
DAL
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DAL said:
Do it! There might be some resources that will/might get removed and will not be available in the next upgrade anymore.
DAL
That is an issue that I am weighing as I have seen that to be so.
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Typically, today's price is better than tomorrow's. Sounds like a good deal.
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skypeace said:
upgrade for about a 70% discount
Is that simply dynamic pricing? My 2¢: The best deals are during product launch. However, as has been stated, who knows what the makeup of the packages will be. They will not be the same. Perhaps what you want will still be in the package. Perhaps it will be in a different (higher or lower) package. Perhaps it won't be in any package.
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I have spoken with Logos agent . He told me it is 30% + dynamic pricing. which he told me that for me it is 71% discount.
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Depends how much of the package you actually get and what you want.
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JT (alabama24) said:skypeace said:
upgrade for about a 70% discount
Is that simply dynamic pricing? My 2¢: The best deals are during product launch. However, as has been stated, who knows what the makeup of the packages will be. They will not be the same. Perhaps what you want will still be in the package. Perhaps it will be in a different (higher or lower) package. Perhaps it won't be in any package.
I thought we had a 30% off sale going on. Isn’t that what it usually went for in the month before the new release?
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If you want the specific resources in that Diamond package then you should get it at 70% off now if it's within your budget. Since they change the base packages with each release there may be things in the package now that aren't in any base package in the next release. If the things you want in the Diamond package are more expensive than the package as a whole, and you really need and want those specific items, you should get them now.
You can then upgrade via dynamic pricing and whatever sale they have on Logos 10 later and get credit for the resources you already own. You can buy a feature-only package (wait until they put them on sale) or you can buy a base package if you want additional books with your Logos 10 upgrade.
But only get Diamond now if there are several valuable things that you actually want and will use in it. Don't just get it because it's a good deal, it's never a good deal to buy stuff you don't need and won't use.
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David Wanat said:JT (alabama24) said:skypeace said:
upgrade for about a 70% discount
Is that simply dynamic pricing? My 2¢: The best deals are during product launch. However, as has been stated, who knows what the makeup of the packages will be. They will not be the same. Perhaps what you want will still be in the package. Perhaps it will be in a different (higher or lower) package. Perhaps it won't be in any package.
I thought we had a 30% off sale going on. Isn’t that what it usually went for in the month before the new release?
Yes, but then they add dynamic price “discount” (which you already have anyway) and they say, “That’s a total of 70% off!!!” to hype the sale and get you to buy. Sales 101 😂
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If you consider the discount because you buy a large package is about 90% + 40% discount for Dynamic Pricing + 30% Fall discount, you are up to 160% discount. How can you pass that up?
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Kiyah said:
If you want the specific resources in that Diamond package then you should get it at 70% off now if it's within your budget. Since they change the base packages with each release there may be things in the package now that aren't in any base package in the next release. If the things you want in the Diamond package are more expensive than the package as a whole, and you really need and want those specific items, you should get them now.
You can then upgrade via dynamic pricing and whatever sale they have on Logos 10 later and get credit for the resources you already own. You can buy a feature-only package (wait until they put them on sale) or you can buy a base package if you want additional books with your Logos 10 upgrade.
But only get Diamond now if there are several valuable things that you actually want and will use in it. Don't just get it because it's a good deal, it's never a good deal to buy stuff you don't need and won't use.
Thank you,
That is the calm, cool thinking I needed to hear to combat the excellent marketing that I am reacting to. I have budgeted for the new release and its features and possibly acquiring HALOT at that time. My focus is largely on original language studies, theology and history. Heavy commentary use has never been my forte.
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skypeace said:
Kiyah said:
If you want the specific resources in that Diamond package then you should get it at 70% off now if it's within your budget. Since they change the base packages with each release there may be things in the package now that aren't in any base package in the next release. If the things you want in the Diamond package are more expensive than the package as a whole, and you really need and want those specific items, you should get them now.
You can then upgrade via dynamic pricing and whatever sale they have on Logos 10 later and get credit for the resources you already own. You can buy a feature-only package (wait until they put them on sale) or you can buy a base package if you want additional books with your Logos 10 upgrade.
But only get Diamond now if there are several valuable things that you actually want and will use in it. Don't just get it because it's a good deal, it's never a good deal to buy stuff you don't need and won't use.
Thank you,
That is the calm, cool thinking I needed to hear to combat the excellent marketing that I am reacting to. I have budgeted for the new release and its features and possibly acquiring HALOT at that time. My focus is largely on original language studies, theology and history. Heavy commentary use has never been my forte.
To add a teeny bit to Kayak's wisdom.
I rate a potential purchase A+, A, B, C. Beyond a C, I don't need the item.
My mind is slippery + wants the product, so sometimes I have to re-remember my ABCs.
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I always look at only the resources that I really want within a given package, bundle, or set.
I then add up what those resources would cost me individually.
If the cost of the package is less than the cost of the individual resources, then I am inclined to purchase the package.
All of the additional resources I consider free.
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scooter said:
To add a teeny bit to Kayak's wisdom.
I rate a potential purchase A+, A, B, C. Beyond a C, I don't need the item.
My mind is slippery + wants the product, so sometimes I have to re-remember my ABCs.
Good system, There is nothing in the package I really need, but quite a few things I would like to have. I really want to have the Full Feature set of the new release as my library of books is adequate. By your system the upgrade would be a C-. [:)]
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Joseph Turner said:
I always look at only the resources that I really want within a given package, bundle, or set.
I then add up what those resources would cost me individually.
If the cost of the package is less than the cost of the individual resources, then I am inclined to purchase the package.
All of the additional resources I consider free.
Financially, this would be a go based on money alone, but I am in a good place book wise, thus there is no immediacy to acquiring these books now or in the near future. I was a bit motivated by the marketing and FOMO, which is a big reason not to purchase now.
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I don't know know if I can add much to the discussion - some excellent answers above.
I've used Logos for 22 years now and love it. I tell others about it. I am one of their best non-paid marketing person. But... Faithlife's marketing is atrocious. From the volume of emails to the so-called % off - it has annoyed me and I am a heavy user (and at times, buyer).
I think most of the packages are a rip-off. They jack them up with public domain titles, some of which have some value but most don't, for me at least. Here is what I do when a package deal is offered, such as the recent legacy package deals:
Open up the page to the package and check the box that says "hide owned resources." Then, with the price they are quoting for the package, look at what you would get for that price. For instance, I could move to Platinum for only $268 but before dynamic pricing and package price, it says it is work over $16K. That is ridiculous but whatever, marking. I keep $268 in mind as I look at the unowned books I would receive. For me, there is nothing in Platinum that I want at all, much less for $268.
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Jerry Bush said:
For me, there is nothing in Platinum that I want at all, much less for $268.
I myself have never seen the value of buying any package above Platinum. Diamond has never been worth it to me. Since I was a seminary student when I started using Logos I loved my Platinum package and was very happy with it. That was Logos 6 though, and it seems to me like they're increasingly watering down the Platinum packages. For example, they used to market Platinum as being for studying the biblical languages, but now they've moved BDAG up to the Diamond package. So you spend all that money for Platinum and you still don't own the standard lexicon for NT language studies. They've diluted the value of Platinum in my opinion. Diamond is thoroughly overpriced and you still don't get stuff you actually want or need.
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skypeace said:
My priority is to always be able to acquire the Full Features Package.
Separate the two questions:
- What is the cost of the full features package alone?
- What is the cost of the Diamond library upgrade?
Then ask:
- What is the value of the additional features to me?
- What is the value of the additional resources to me?
Ignore what the value of either is to others, especially those who are satisfied with a library of contemporary, American resources as that provides a narrow view of Christianity. Calculate the value of a package by adding together (a) resources you know you want (b) resources that look interesting and useful (c) resources that you know nothing about but look sufficiently interesting that you will at least skim them to broaden your knowledge/experience. Consider everything else as of no value to you at this time -- they may be of use later so don't think of them as useless padding. Don't buy into the American car buying syndrome - the name of the package is not a status symbol to be sought after, what is important is the package's ability to support your current work and expand your education a bit.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Diamond is a pretty solid package. It's not really fluff. Platinum, Diamond and Portfolio are usually the best all-around packages for serious users. What you get now will simply enhance what you get for Logos 10.
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MJ. Smith said:
Ignore what the value of either is to others, especially those who are satisfied with a library of contemporary, American resources as that provides a narrow view of Christianity. ... what is important is the package's ability to support your current work ...
I have to keep asking myself what I need for my current work. Sometimes it helps to buy ahead and buy in general. Sometimes I do not appreciate what I have until it pops up in a search. But on the other hand, I think some of my best stuff is so buried that it is not showing up in the searches.
There are some things that I would really like to have. They are part of packages that cost more than I have to spend. I need to wait. I have put them in my cart a few times, and then took them out.
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Thanks for all the pertinent and astute advice, it is a blessing to share in this community.
Let me shed a bit of light on my approach to digital Bible resources..., started using a Bible program for DOS in'89 and was bowled over when I could see 4-8 Bible versions on the Screen at one time in the first Windows versions.
Back then I began building computers for non-profits, Churches and Saints as my tentmaking. As I began offering custom Christian themed computers I eventually began to support Bible programs. I used to run a version of just about every commercial Bible package. I have had Logos since before it was Libronix. I did use it to teach adult Sunday School as it was the only program that had the International Standard Sunday School lessons.Logos was never my daily driver though, from Logos 4-7, but eventually I could see that Wordsearch was not going to be viable much longer so I bought a Logos version 7 Silver package and began to migrate resources more than a few times just duplicating them.
Then at Logos 8 Wordsearch was bought out, so over 4500 of my resources came over and I upgraded to 8 Gold. With Logos 9 I went to Platinum, and using many of the procedures for vetting packages for purchase that have been mentioned previously, I have continued to expand resources. (Like a kid in a candy shop or a policeman in a bakery.[:)])Being retired, these last couple of years have put a little foot in my budget, so with as great of a deal as that purchase might have been it was not feasible for me now. Again thanks.
In His Love and Service,
skypeace
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Someone above mentioned to "hide owned resources."
Then go down the list and make a mental tally of your personal low price for resources you are aching to have. See if your mental tally is lower than the actual price given. Everything else would be gravy.
Next, make your spouse a cup of coffee and have a little talk to see if you can afford it.0 -
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[:D] The majority of life I have worked for myself so I have never had to run those expenses by her, but would love to although she has been home almost a decade now.GaoLu said:Someone above mentioned to "hide owned resources."
Then go down the list and make a mental tally of your personal low price for resources you are aching to have. See if your mental tally is lower than the actual price given. Everything else would be gravy.
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skypeace said:
The majority of life I have worked for myself so I have never had to run those expenses by her, but would love to although she has been home almost a decade now.
I don't have a partner to run expenses by either. I wonder how that would have changed things. I bet that I would own a lot fewer Logos resources if I'd had to verbally justify their purchase.
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And there is the option of not buying Logos 10 when it comes out. That is an option.
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Most probably not an option over here. I am no longer on the cutting or bleeding edge of tech, I do love keeping my Bible apps current. I started computing with Bible apps and Photoshop, the two things are still my priorities.Kathleen Marie said:And there is the option of not buying Logos 10 when it comes out. That is an option.
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MJ. Smith said:skypeace said:
My priority is to always be able to acquire the Full Features Package.
Calculate the value of a package by adding together (a) resources you know you want (b) resources that look interesting and useful (c) resources that you know nothing about but look sufficiently interesting that you will at least skim them to broaden your knowledge/experience. Consider everything else as of no value to you at this time -- they may be of use later so don't think of them as useless padding. Don't buy into the American car buying syndrome - the name of the package is not a status symbol to be sought after, what is important is the package's ability to support your current work and expand your education a bit.
This I found quite an insightful take. Needed a moment before responding to it as I so agree. Thank you.
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Why don't you just buy the feature set upgrade?
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Jerry Bush said:
I think most of the packages are a rip-off. They jack them up with public domain titles, some of which have some value but most don't, for me at least. Here is what I do when a package deal is offered, such as the recent legacy package deals:
I completely agree. I am a long-term user with a tonne of resources. The last round of launch packages with Logos 9 appealed little to me. In fact, I think the last time I really got excited about version launch packages was Logos 5. Part of this is due to the size of my library building up over the years. Part of it is because I would not buy some of the older public domain materials at any price. Some of them are a 'nice to have' for reference if they are included in a package, but nothing I would ever buy unbundled.
With this said, if you need some resources, launch time packages in my experience have been some of the best value. Do the math carefully, cutting out the fluff, then make your decision. At least that is what I will be doing in the next version launch of Logos.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:Jerry Bush said:
I think most of the packages are a rip-off. They jack them up with public domain titles, some of which have some value but most don't, for me at least. Here is what I do when a package deal is offered, such as the recent legacy package deals:
I completely agree. I am a long-term user with a tonne of resources. The last round of launch packages with Logos 9 appealed little to me. In fact, I think the last time I really got excited about version launch packages was Logos 5. Part of this is due to the size of my library building up over the years. Part of it is because I would not buy some of the older public domain materials at any price. Some of them are a 'nice to have' for reference if they are included in a package, but nothing I would ever buy unbundled.
With this said, if you need some resources, launch time packages in my experience have been some of the best value. Do the math carefully, cutting out the fluff, then make your decision. At least that is what I will be doing in the next version launch of Logos.
Some good wisdom in your perspective. I think the base packages work well for those acquiring Logos for the first time and expanding an initial library.
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skypeace said:
Exactly!Carl Thomas said:Why don't you just buy the feature set upgrade?
Features are great but if you don’t have many resources you can’t get the full benefits. And features on their own without any other books can be expensive.
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