How can I turn off Community Factbook Tags
In Logos 9, there was a Visual Filter selection for Community Tags. I cannot find that in Logos 10. When I turn on Factbook tags, user tags as well as Faithlife curated tags are all shown.
How can I limit the tags to only those created by Faithlife and not user created tags? I would expect this option to be available on the the dropdown next to Factbook icon in the resource panel.
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That option is not currently available, although we have considered adding it at some point in the future.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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That option is not currently available, although we have considered adding it at some point in the future.
Thanks. I would like to see this feature brought back.
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That option is not currently available, although we have considered adding it at some point in the future.
Consider it strongly. lol
We need to be able to delineate between Faithlife data and user-created data.
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This needs to be turned off by default.
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This needs to be turned off by default.
You can use the Factbook Tags visual filter to turn it off in all of your resources.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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We need to be able to delineate between Faithlife data and user-created data.
You can't. There are datasets that came with L10 that are Factbook tags identical in behavior/visibility to the Factbook tags (formerly known as Community tags) that are created by users. There is the ability to delete an erroneous tag -- enough deleted will cause it to be removed for everyone.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You can use the Factbook Tags visual filter to turn it off in all of your resources.
I'm aware. But what if I actually want to turn the feature on in all of my books, but I only want to see Faithlife's data? I'd actually love to have the Factbook tags on in all of my books and off in all of my Bibles until I want to see them. But I just want Faithlife data and not community data.
I'm actually excited to be able to use this feature for books, but having community data mixed in with Faithlife data makes me less excited.
This is just my use case, I know others would use it differently: Faithlife-created Factbook tags on in all books, off in all Bibles until needed (toggle on/off as necessary). Community tags would remain off unless I was really desperate for info and had nowhere else to turn.
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We need to be able to delineate between Faithlife data and user-created data.
You can't. There are datasets that came with L10 that are Factbook tags identical in behavior/visibility to the Factbook tags (formerly known as Community tags) that are created by users. There is the ability to delete an erroneous tag -- enough deleted will cause it to be removed for everyone.
That seems potentially open to abuse
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That seems potentially open to abuse
Yep. Or just really bad data that becomes not of much quality or use to anyone.
Question: does this mean community tags will show in my bibles when I turn the factbook tags on? Or are bibles treated differently than books? So will the blue underlines in my bibles be from just Faithlife or from both Faithlife and the community? I certainly don't want community tags showing in my bibles. I turned those off a long time ago as soon as I noticed a 'Satan' tag in my bible where it shouldn't be.
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what if I actually want to turn the feature on in all of my books, but I only want to see Faithlife's data? I'd actually love to have the Factbook tags on in all of my books and off in all of my Bibles until I want to see them. But I just want Faithlife data and not community data.
Exactly what I want. Faithlife tags have a higher level of credibility that community tags. I turn on community tags from time to time, but normally I want FL tags.
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Faithlife tags have a higher level of credibility that community tags
Having used community tags for several years without the ability to remove the errors, I have no more confidence in Faithlife's artificial intelligence than in users' collective intelligence. Plus I appreciate that users tag what Faithlife does not.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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There are three categories of Factbook tags.
- Certain original language resources and translated resources with a reverse interlinear contain hand curated tagging. This was available in L9.
- All resources can contain user-created tags that were called community tags in L9
- All resources (I'm not sure if this includes resources in the first category) can contain Faithlife-created tags. Note that these are machine generated, and may not have the same level of quality set by the tagging in category 1.
The tags in categories 2 and 3 are currently treated collectively. They can be turned on or off together. There has been some consideration toward allowing these to be controlled separately, but I don't know when or if that will be implemented.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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All resources can contain user-created tags that were called community tags in L9
Is there any way for a user to create a private tag?
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Is there any way for a user to create a private tag?
There is not.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Having used community tags for several years without the ability to remove the errors, I have no more confidence in Faithlife's artificial intelligence than in users' collective intelligence.
I think I remember this artificial discussion ... I guess at the height of the pandemic. I'd turned them all off ... for this reason.
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Is there any way for a user to create a private tag?
There is not.
I thought the terminology Community Tags was more descriptive. User Tags sounds like my own personal tags.
Suggestions:
- I would like the option to turn on/off separately my own tags from the tags of other users.
- I suggest for terminology: "Personal Tags" (for my own tags)
- For the tags generated by other users, I would suggest "Popular Tags" to be consistent with "Popular Highlights". The older "Community Tags" terminology was quite clear.
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I thought the terminology Community Tags was more descriptive
I rarely disagree with you, Harry, but in this case I do. For Community Tags I would expect user invented tags resulting in the useless chaos of popular highlights or the less chaotic but still of very little use, the list of popular resource tags. These tags have always been limited to FL defined entities and extended the functions of Factbook entity searches - sometimes in Factbook itself, sometimes in user searches.
For the tags generated by other users, I would suggest "Popular Tags" to be consistent with "Popular Highlights".
This would be a misrepresentation of what the tags are. The user has no choice in what the tag is, the user is simply mapping Factbook tags to the text. "Popular tags" implies that there are multiple possible tags which are preferred or not. Once someone, anyone, has tagged an item there is no reason for anyone else to add the tag. Just as FL tags the word once, the users only need to tag it once.
You are not part of this group, but there is a group of users who have consistently for years requested more ability of the users to enter tagging, labels, etc. that FL has not done. But when FL provides it, they neither put effort into making it work by adding quality tags nor use the work of others to convince FL that crowd sourcing can work.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I thought the terminology Community Tags was more descriptive
I rarely disagree with you, Harry, but in this case I do. For Community Tags I would expect user invented tags resulting in the useless chaos of popular highlights or the less chaotic but still of very little use, the list of popular resource tags. These tags have always been limited to FL defined entities and extended the functions of Factbook entity searches - sometimes in Factbook itself, sometimes in user searches.
Perhaps I misunderstood what the user-created Factbook tags are. I had thought that they represented what librarians call a controlled vocabulary or authority list. This is how I believe Factbook worked in Logos 9. But in Logos 10 the Context menu command "Add Factbook Tag" makes it seem like the user can create their own tag. When the dialog pops up there is no pick list with a controlled vocabulary, until the user starts typing. So it appears as if the user can create their own random tags. This would indeed create a chaotic list of tags. In fact, it appears that is not the case. I don't think the user can actually create their own tag as it seemed to me at first. They must choose from existing tags that FL has created. This is as I believe it should be.
However, there is still much potential for chaos. I don't want the Factbook cluttered with random highlights that users create. Ideally, I would expect a curated selection of content from professionally edited secondary sources written by credible scholars. This is what Faithlife Study Bible provides and Factbook version 9 expanded on this type of material, but in topical format. I recognize that there is a certain degree of "serendipity" (as Bob used to call it), in that each user might have different entries in their Factbook, depending on what resources their have in their library. It appears that Factbook 9 added a manually curated main entry along with a certain number of machine-generated links to resources in the user's library along with some advertisements for additional resources in the Bookstore. I am fine with all of this.
What troubles me is that crowdsourced highlights seem to be added to the Factbook on the same level as the FL curated material. I would not be against this, if it is clearly identified as from the collective wisdom of many users of the software. But I believe there should be a way to turn these off when viewing the Factbook highlights in the resource and when viewing a Factbook article. They should also be distinguished in some way from the links built in to Factbook by Faithlife.
You are not part of this group, but there is a group of users who have consistently for years requested more ability of the users to enter tagging, labels, etc. that FL has not done. But when FL provides it, they neither put effort into making it work by adding quality tags nor use the work of others to convince FL that crowd sourcing can work.
I do think user-created tags and labels are a great idea, particularly if they are searchable and can be included in various reports. But I want to be able to distinguish my personal tags from the tags of other users, just as I want to distinguish my personal highlights and notes from those of others. Logos does this very well in notes and highlights and lets the user turn on or off these various types of notes and highlights in individual resources, depending on their needs and desires. I would love to have a similar capability in user-created Factbook tags.
Conceptually I see 3 kinds of tags:
- Built-in tags created by Faithlife that are part of various datasets that a user purchased.
- Personal tags created by an individual user for their personal study.
- Crowdsourced tags aggregated from many users. I suggested calling them "popular" tags, because I don't want to see every individual tag added each a single user. Rather I want the option to see tags that occur frequently enough that they reflect the collective wisdom of many users.
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I understand some of your concern but am still left with an uneasy feeling that there is still a lack of common understanding between us. Personal tags and highlights are outside the scope of a discussion of Factbook tags. Aggregation should be an unnecessary step as if the tagging is correct there is no reason for anyone else to add it. To see how I see them working, go to the Factbook page "Act of Peter" a NT apocrypha/pseudepigrapha work preserved in Coptic. The Factbook tags give results similar to a search with the search string term:"The Act of Peter" OR "Coptic Act of Peter" OR "An Act of Peter" OR "Act of Peter" OR "The Coptic Act of Peter" OR "Deed of Peter" OR "Praxis Petrou" OR "Act Pet" but without the Slavonic Act of Peter, the entries in lists of abbreviations, indices, etc. [I'm debating re:adding French, German, Italian, Spanish search terms.] I think being able to find the references despite the multitude of names and having the ambiguity of Coptic vs. Slavonic resolved is useful to everyone and should not be considered "personal"... they were simply added by human intelligence rather than artificial intelligence. I would expect that a rational actor would use my work AND scan resources they own that are not in the Factbook tags or the Sermon/Journal/Dictionary/Your Books sections for potential additional items in their library.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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How can I limit the tags to only those created by Faithlife and not user created tags? I would expect this option to be available on the the dropdown next to Factbook icon in the resource panel.
I''ve seen the discussion about this not being possible - and am now confused.
I thought the ability to not show user tags was already here
Am I missing something or is something else being discussed here?
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Am I missing something or is something else being discussed here?
No, you're not missing anything. I'm trying to get some real support for this useful feature which was vastly underused as Community Tags. When FL permits us to add real power to the platform, I want to encourage them. Ever since they caved into their base and tagged some items in the Old Testament anachronistically rather than literally (think Holy Spirit), I have had a healthy mistrust of FL Bible coding. (I also mistrust the interlinears "resolving" of ambiguities.) So I have little problem trusting crowd-sourced tagging against a fixed and primarily objective entities as nearly as much as I trust FL. So if I can convince a professor of its value to his students . . .
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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How can I limit the tags to only those created by Faithlife and not user created tags? I would expect this option to be available on the the dropdown next to Factbook icon in the resource panel.
I''ve seen the discussion about this not being possible - and am now confused.
I thought the ability to not show user tags was already here
Am I missing something or is something else being discussed here?
Thanks for the screenshot, I hadn't noticed that option was in the visual filter for bibles.
That option is not available for books (non-bibles). That may be some of the confusion here. I'm glad I can turn community (user-created) tags off in bibles. I (and I think the OP) would also like to be able to turn community (user-created) tags off in books, which Andrew said they're considering allowing in the future but no certainty on if/when that change will be implemented.
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I''ve seen the discussion about this not being possible - and am now confused.
I thought the ability to not show user tags was already here
Am I missing something or is something else being discussed here?
Perhaps part of the issue is that these options do not show up in the Lexham Bible Dictionary, which was the resource that started my initial query.
I can see these options in Bibles, but non-Bible resources. I was concerned about the lack of options on the display of Factbook tags in many resources.
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